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Victorian Alps Photos from my spring hike .

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    Mt. Howitt. 5/11/17.
    One Day I will XC BC ski on Mt. Howitt.
     
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    Looking out from one of the last spring snow drifts on the Cross Cut Saw towards the Devil's Staircase and the Wonangatta spur. 4/11/17.
     
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    The AAWT looking Northwards towards Mt. Howitt from the Big Hill Saddle. 5/11/17 .There was Still a spot of snow here and there but nowhere near enough to have worried about dragging skis up there, esp. not up through the bush bash and rock climb that is Stanley Name spur.
     
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    Fab photos. I’ve been over most of that route. Love the Hells Window pics
     
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    Now this is a snow gum. :)
    5/11/17 South Face of Mt. Howitt on the AAWT.
     
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    The Crosscut saw as seen from the Stanley Name spur "track". What track? :-0 .
    I was shooting film.
     
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    Hell's Window , looking up at the gap in the escarpment. 5/11/17
     
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    Mt. Howitt summit views looking towards the Viking and the Razor. 5/11/17.
     
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    All my pics of it are old film prints and in storage. It’s an amazing tree. The photos on that link are crap. Please take lots of photos and share.
     
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    A trace of snow in the Easterly facing chute of the Cross Cut Saw. 4/11/17.I was ROGERED by the time I reached the top of the Cross Cut Saw via Stanley name spur , coming all the way from the Upper Howqua camp site. I had to make myself walk to MacAlister springs . I had run out of energy, time and most of my water by 4pm. Stanley Name Spur is S T E E P and overgrown. It was slow going. There was water flowing near the camp site on the saddle of the S.N. spur, about 1 km or so below the cliff climbing section.
     
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    The sun bursts through the clouds onto The Viking.Alpine N.P. 4/11/17.
     
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    Sunset's last light over the Crosscut saw (4/11/17) from near the Vallejo Gantner Hut.
     
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    Looking up the Stanley Name spur. What, me? go up there? How?.It was fairly hardcore and falling backwards with a heavy pack on one's back could have been very nasty.One had to consciously throw one's weight forward as one scrambled up the escarpment on all fours!
     
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    Mt. Magdala as seen from near the Queen's spur road/ Stanley Name spur track junction.Nobody has gone through there and cleared that route for a long time.However there are natural clearings that afford splendid views along the route.The weather was ideal on the first two days. Day three was pea soup fog time with visibility down to 10 metres maximum.
     
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    Finally at the top of Stanley Name spur, looking back down to the Howqua/ King River area. Jesus wept! that was relentless!
     
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    I had a wee rest at a clearing on the Stanely Name spur, in between climbing up vertical rock bands. I spied a lovely snow gum.I did meet a father and daughter who were coming DOWN the cliffs of the SN spur. I think descending it would be hairy.
     
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    Hell's Window , from the top track looking across to Mt. Buller and Mt. Stirling. 5/11/17.The masochist inside me wants to have a go at walking the Stanley Name spur track /route from the Circuit road all the way to the Crosscut saw. Nov. 2018 would be the best time to do it because that is when you can find water and the flies are not too bad yet .
     
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    Foggy weather on the upper Howitt spur.6/11/17. I spied another old snow gum tree as I descended.
     
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    Stanley Name Spur used to be pretty easy....a formed track right up to ridge no cliffs to negotiate...maybe tree fall after fires has obliterated this track ....it used to come in near the top with the terrain sloping to the left as you ascended a fairly easy traverse.!!
     
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    That is my recollection as well. Timbertop school still use it so it could not be that hard to follow. It could be that tree fall has made people divert from the track and then not pick it up easy once around the tree but the pad was pretty well formed except for one spot I recall which was not far from where it crosses the Queen Spur track.
     
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    I saw that traverse on the left as you near the top but the foot pad now goes straight up over the cliffs!
     
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    Yes, I know where you mean. I had to scout it out to find the foot pad once I hit a clearing not that far from the initial turn off at Queen's Spur track. It is no longer a road.
     
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    Time to send in the D7 again........the old Logging rd provided good access to the other spurs to the Nth.....has that track completely gone.We used to Ford the creek and drive up to the Dugout I think on to the side of SN Spur and park.Easy Peasy .....the formed rd used to go out almost to the Pimple.....
     
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    It is a good walking track for quite a way. No need to turn it back into a driving track or we will have the area trashed. Few use the Queens Spur to Buggery now and up to SNS it is fine.
     
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    Agree, the old access track is more than fine as a walking track now since the road downstream of Howitt Spur carpark washed away many years ago.
     
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    Not sure it's a sound strategy to let that road overgrow....Good roading is essential for fire management activities.No chance to back burn off the old road should the challenge arise.....it's reasonably easy to stop 4x4s from gaining access if a management gate is placed at first Ford....letting things revert to jungle may not be the brightest management plan to adopt.But your right it's a good way to keep folk off the Queen and King Spurs....it sounds like Parks needs to do some track work on Stanley Name Spur....
    place must be a Venison Wonderland??
    Parks turning bushwalking into a some kind of assault course....but will lead to mighty fit bushwalkers or it may lead to no bushwalkers at all!!!

    But we are all excepting that very hot fires occurring frequently are the new norm.....and we must be prepared for the cost environmentallly!!
     
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    The old track is not overgrown until much higher. I doubt it is important for fire management but it would not be hard to put a dozer through if needed. I don't think I would like to be down there doing a backburn if a fire was headed that way. I know you like track work Steve but when the money well is drying up where do you spend the money? We have been there before so no need to rehash it. When there is a fire then money can be allocated from a different tin. Each year DELWP and ParksVic put on fire crew who maintain important tracks. Queen Spur does not fall into that category. We all sit in our comfy chairs and make comment or judgement without the full picture. I doubt fire management is an easy task and I also doubt anyone thinks about fire management when they are walking or driving on a road cut into the forest. I am sure they selfishly think about how good their access is. SNS is fine as well. I think someone has worn a track over the rocky bits instead of taking the time to look for the easy traverse around the base. Same thing is happening on Diamantina spur with people saying you need ropes instead of following the spur and traversing the rocky bits. If you are going bushwalking then a bit of bush is to be expected.
     
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    I wasn't complaining about how over grown and steep the Stanley Names spur is from Queen Spur track to the Cross cut saw but it is becoming an SAS commando assault course!.o_O;).I am glad I have done it. Timbertop students still use that route and have a bottle with a notepad inside it , stashed away at the top of the track junction where it hits the Crosscut saw.I spoke with PV in Mansfield and they said the SNS track is a category 4 track. Helicopter Spur is Category 5.They have no plans to upgrade it to Category 3.
    I don't think many people continue on past the 4 ways junction with SNS on Queen spur track and push on up to Mt. Buggery. Nor do I think any track work has been done out there since the road was shut in 1999.One of my outdoors friends tried it with a group and they failed to find the route once a fair way past the 4 ways .This was in hot weather. With no water located and insane bush bashing leading to fatigue and rather slow going they turned around and went back to the Upper Howqua. One would imagine the old bench cut track heading towards The Pimple and Mt. Buggery would still be traceable , but with a squillion fallen logs and many more fire regrowth saplings on the said track it would be not the most simple hike one could think of.
     
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    Oh they have categories.....then Mulhauser must be a category one....first class freeway.pedal to the metal and go go go.Team Bears would not have it any other way... but horses dudes like it kept this way too.
     
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    After the lightening strike escape from near Harrietville....there were many folk not sitting on their comfy chairs.for the next three weeks!
    And many could not fathom how that fire got away....after crews were pulled off it....and there was much discontent from the "Valley People" so we heard!!??
     
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    Well the rocky scramble on the supposed Iconic Walk is a bit of a sham....for god sake Parks needs to get some crews and reroute the S of a Bitch track before some body falls and gets a serious injury...then there will be litigation for negligence!!

    It's a stupid route....surely Parks must see a court case looming unless it takes action....it's only a small length of track the needs some switch backs across the true Spur to gain the first knoll.

    You don't need ropes and stairs etc...if you realign this bit of track....perhaps a job for Xplora ,Parks and Parks Volunteers!!
     
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    Come on...we just got to keep our heads together .....taking the Pimple is possible!
    Xplora says it's only a bit of bush!
     

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    Just follow Mr T he is gannna take the lead up SNSpur.......
     
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    Do you mean the crab crawl section up the Diamantina Spur ? or the actual SOB spur track which is near Mt. McDonald , I think.
    I am going up the Diamantina spur next month.
     
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    Maybe we should follow the kiddies from Timbertop. It appears they have been trained on a commando assault course. There is also no need for realignment of Diamantina Spur if you take the proper route. Not every track has to be a paved highway, have every obstacle removed and signposts. SNS is a great spur and not one I would call particularly steep or difficult but it is a grade 4 and so it should remain without intervention as long as it gets used regularly.
    There is an Australian standard for grading of walks and there is no liability for PV if people hurt themselves on grade 3,4 or 5 as they are responsible for their own safety. On grade 1 and 2 they are expected to exercise normal care. This is a brief description of a grade 3
    Suitable for most ages and fitness levels.Some bushwalking experience recommended. Tracks may have short steep hill sections a rough surface and many steps. Walks up to 20km.
    a grade 4
    Bushwalking experience recommended. Tracks may be long, rough and very steep. Directional signage may be limited.
    and now a grade 5
    Very experienced bushwalkers with specialised skills, including navigation and emergency first aid. Tracks are likely to be very rough, very steep and unmarked. Walks may be more than 20km.
    There is a lot more to it and if you are interested you can read more here https://www.ffm.vic.gov.au/recreati...mping/australian-walking-track-grading-system
     
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    Well I would have to disagree with your assessment of the Section of rock scramble on the lower Diamantina Spur....it's original alignment was less than brilliant ....Parks are promoting this as an Iconic Walk.....they can have these nice grading standards ....but when many of us say it's an injury waiting tio happen....I would think Parks are facing litigation for any injury that happens there.Its below the standard of most tracks I use...it has the potential for serious injury.It won't be difficult for any lawyers to put folk in the stand as expert witnesses ........"if they ask ...is it dangerous ....then most of us will answer honestly...that it is........and Parks are aware that it is a danger......
     
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    You have missed the point entirely. Firstly there is no rock scramble needed on Diamantina but some people seem to go that way in error. It is considered a grade 4 currently and as such suitable for experienced people who should have some navigation experience as well. They are also responsible for their own safety. No negligence from PV, no litigation. You make the choice to take a dangerous route then it rests on your shoulders. Secondly, the proposal for FHAC was to realign the track to provide an easier grade and do considerable work including markings, rest stops and stairs. I argued strongly against all of this but if it goes ahead then you can expect it to be a grade 3. Not every track has to be of a standard suitable to yourself. If it doesn't suit then don't use it but it seems the FHAC objective would suit your more. It is good to have varying grades so others who like more of a challenge can have that experience. I don't see Diamantina or SNS as being dangerous to those who are suitably experienced or led by an experience person. A bit of commonsense navigation may be required. My first encounter with Diamantina was leading a group of relatively inexperienced people. They had no issues and it was pretty clear we were to avoid the rocks.
    I fail to see what this driving need is for all tracks to be bull dozed highways and clear of any debris. To me that is not too far removed from what they want to do with the FHAC. Part of the allure for some people is the navigation without markings or signs.
     
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    You are mistaken or you are supply false hoods in relation to this track......there is a rock scrambling bit just before the first knoll...it is as stated potentially dangerous....you need three points of contact to be maintained over this bit.....there is no other current route marked or any trail that could be used to avoid this.....accept by bushbashing......maybe Xplora you need to go see this bit of Track and take some videos or still pics.Parks have cut vegetation that turns to the right on this knoll as u come downhill..they clearly intend u to come thro the rock scramble.Again go have a look.....its indefensible to have this track in such a state and then to promote it as an Iconic Walk for the mass market.
    Never mind the grade system....see the danger for what it is....deal with it.Parks are the land managers....it is their duty to deal with this.

    I don't think too many folk that are familiar with D Spur are going to support you on this.

    We have seen Parks realign Eskdale Spur Track in places by clearing snow gums .
    Safety should be a primary motivator to do likewise with this abhorrent section of track.

    There seemed to be much talk of litigation from you Xplora recently in relation to Team Bears Activities!!


    To ignore work on this section of Track doesnot sit well with Team Bears....
    We see it as a lack of responsibility by Parks Vic.....they are setting themselves up for a costly court case should they face a case of negligence that caused injury to walkers.
     
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    Steve, if you would like to discuss Diamantian Spur, negligence or the FHAC then perhaps bring it up in the appropriate thread and I will be happy to oblige. Sorry Mr. T for hijacking your thread. SNS is a good walk and your photos were great.
     
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    well not quite so.....you clearly stated that Diamantina Spur has no problems in this open forum ....and yes I am correcting your error in kind fashion.Dont duck for cover by claiming thread hijacking ....this seems to be your fall back position.....i am sure Mister T will welcome open discussion ...and he is probably able to tell the forum his thoughts on the track if we seek his expert advise. And we all appreciate Mr T.s contributions and photos ...at least we can agree on that!
     
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    Yep, he's a beauty.
    It's one of those trees that really seems to have a soul.
    If it could talk ;)
     
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    I have offered to take it elsewhere so that is hardly ducking. You seem to want to pick another fight and I am really getting tired of that every time someone disagrees with you. People are entitled to differing views. I speak of my own observations. If others taken a different path then that is up to them but I have not scrambled over rock on Diamantina spur. If anyone walks this spur then they do it at their own risk. Perhaps we should be wheelchair access in as well? Would not want that class of person missing out. Now this thread was about SNS and I apologised because I brought Diamantina into the conversation but that post had some relevance to SNS in that people are taking the harder path over rock. It was then you who hijacked it so indeed I got that wrong. It no longer has relevance to this thread but put it out in your own thread and I will oblige. You can raise your ridiculous litigation speculation also. I see your concept of what you want PV to do with regard to track clearing and alignment to be just as invasive as building new tracks and plush accommodation for the wealthy soft walkers. Sorry again Mr. T and I would not presume this conversation is appropriate for your thread. That would be your right.

    Awaiting the usual flurry of ridicule. That would be your fallback Steve. Still very much High School. My mistake again. It has already started in this thread. (That was sarcasm).
     
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  49. VSG

    VSG Crayon Master Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    There's one above the Charlotte Pass turntable... on the ridge. Altitude says it should not be there, but microclimate makes it happen. Prob 400 years old.. older. Like King Billy.

    Something about snow gums.

     
  50. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Silver

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    The risks of bushwalking in the Vic. Alps with a heavy pack , solo self guided route navigation, bush bashing and lunatic vertical rock scrambling are all risks that I , an experienced bushwalker , undertake at my own peril. I don't want a nanny state system of category 2 & 3 tracks. If the hike is tough then I will do it and report on it as I see it. If there are no photos of a taxing section of the route then that is proof enough that I had more than enough to deal with at the time .
    The proposed FHAC realignment of the Diamantina spur track will ruin its wild characteristics and also trash the lovely undeveloped campsite on High Knob. Next month I am taking people out there to see it before it is turned into a soft boy thing track with soft boy thing luxury lodges , a soft boy thingy helipad etc. all aimed at fat cashed up bogans who cannot hack a bit of adventure , calculated risk and effort in the wild !
     
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