Question Preparing for moderate altitude

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  1. Sydlouise

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    Hi I’m trying to work out an itinerary for my ski trip starting on Saturday and I’m not sure how to prepare for some altitude since I’m a weakling sea level baby. Highest place I’ve skied before was only 3,200 and I was pretty tired and headachey the first two days then fine. I did some time on a mountain in China around 4,800 and had a 48 hr headache from hell.

    I’m heading to Iran and the resorts I’m skiing at are at Tochal 3,930, Dizin 3,600 and Darbandsar 3,150m.
    Tehran the city is only 1,800m so not much value acclimatising there, same with the other tourist things we were going to tick off, all pretty low so no obvious intermediate place to hang out. I’ve only got 2 weeks so want maximum skiing minimum headaches.

    Tochal the highest is the smallest resort right next to Tehran so i was going to go there first as a warm up until I checked the altitude. The hotel is at 3,500 so not sure if sleeping there and acclimatising is a good move or better to be down lower at night. The other two resorts I’d be sleeping at about 2,500m.

    Any hot tips or just suck it up?
     
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    No personal tips or tricks as I’ve not been effected yet - possibly because any time at altitude has been short lived.

    However I was just reading last week the suggestion from a company specialising in altitude treks that simple ibuprofen and caffeine is very effective for altitude headaches.
     
  3. Legs Akimbo

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    Stay hydrated
    Stay sober
    Use a humidifier in your room
    Go gently for the first couple of days
    Suck it up
     
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    the first time i went to Breckenridge we felt groggy fora few days. The next time we spent a few days first in Boulder. Made SFA difference. I haven't been to any significant altitude since, but if I was goint to I would aim to arrive a couple of days early and just chill for the first 2 days.
    but what legs said. Plenty of water, not much alcohol, take it easy for a few days
     
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    We skied Valle Nevado which ranges from 3000 to 5000, no real issues, we just took it easy the first few days. We did get a bit acclimatized the week before at Cusco (3400). Drink lots. ( I didnt say it BUT; take a ventolin inhaler) :)
     
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  6. Sydlouise

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    Alcohol is illegal so theyre making that part easy for me .
    Good tips on the caffeine and ibuprofen. My partner is asthmatic and has piles of ventolin, so maybe I should give it a whirl.
     
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    Valle highest point is just under 4000m, I had no trouble there for my 6 week stay. Altitude can effect fit people people, spending time acclimatising building up altitude is the only thing I’ve ever heard of.
     
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    I had a headache for a couple of days when we first got to Breckenridge, my daughter the same as well as nausea. Her's lasted about 3 days, mine 2. We live around 900m. My sea level dwelling son was fine LOL

    We spent a night in Denver first as well. We just took it easy for the first few days, took panadol, drank lots of water and didn't ski to much. Then it was fine. My daughter has asthma, but never had problem over there.
     
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    Valle had no negative effect on me at all, neither the week in the Andes.
    I believe it can suddenly hit you out of the blue even if you’ve never experienced issues with altitude at all though, so you’re wise to consider all the possible preparations (hydration, limit alcohol etc) and take a small supply of medication to get you through the adjustment phase if you don’t want to have downtime.
     
  10. GS

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    I guess asking the pilot to reduce cabin pressure on the way over won't work? :)

    Can you change the itinerary so you go to the lowest resort first?

    Very envious of your trip, please post photos when you return.
     
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    I was in party mode in Chile, happy hour at el Colorado on the way home in the afternoons, plenty of nights out
     
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    Not enough time for significant acclimatization.

    Just go for it.
     
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    LOL I bet you were.

    That part of my comment was more directed at SydLouise. I wasn’t drinking - but that was because of the heliskiing more than concern over altitude.

    I’ll see how I go with Kili later this year. But I’ll still be taking all the ‘just in case’ stuff. Would be nothing worse than missing out on the adventure coz of a stonking headache and to not have the little caffeine and ibuprofen pill on you.
     
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    The only thing I have ever noticed in Summit County CO is a bit of blood in dried mucus when blowing my nose in the morning so humidifiers are just the thing indeed.
     
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    "Strong tea" is sometimes a euphemism for under the counter beer in some 'moderate' Muslim countries in SE Asia but it would be not worth the risk in Iran.
     
  17. Gimp

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    It ain't nice. Spent a day curled up in the foetal position under a bush in a high alpine meadow. Too weak to even shoo the goats away from licking up my spew next to my head. Mate has gone down with it a couple of times, carried over a pass unconscious in Kashmir and then helped off a mountain by locals in Himachal (I was also suffering and unable to rescue him). Snowball fights over 5000m are truly exhausting. As others have said, take it easier than normal, drink heaps, sleep at lower altitudes if possible. Dymox? used to be the go with rich Mericans trying to cheat their physiology
     
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    Hypoxia Room at home. It Lowers room oxygen content to 15% using oxygen absorbent material.

    Extremely dangerous if not done professionally. You will die if it screws up. But it's supposed to work. LOL
     
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    Presumably,you're not considering US resorts as an easy option for the next 5 years at least
    You won't be allowed in without an Embassy interview or visa for 5 years and that includes transiting
     
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    Suffered a headache from hell when going over the Tioga Pass (3032m) coming out of Yosemite about 20 years ago. Had no idea I was at such altitude and no idea why I had the headache, but thought maybe it was caffeine withdrawal?? I spotted the Tioga Pass Resort at the point where I knew I could drive no further. Staggered in there and ordered a coffee, then a second one. Then I had a meal. I think at some point in time, the staff gave me some painkillers saying they see it all the time. After about an hour and a half, I felt capable of going on. So yes, coffee and painkillers.
     
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    GP can prescribe some meds that you take prior to arriving at altitude.
    I was given some by a Client when we went to Gulmarg.
    I think it is something they prescribe for eye surgery patients helps oxygenate the blood.
     
  23. Zimbooo

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    Coca leaves in the Andes.
    Apart from chewing the leaf, you can purchase it as a tea and even get it in lollies for the kiddies. :D
     
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    If Tehran is at 1,800m, that's actually pretty high, I wouldn't underestimate the benefit of a few days there. I think acclimatisation effects start even at about 1,000 - 1,200m?
     
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    may be true in general but not IME. 3 days at Boulder (1650m) didn't make any difference when going to Breckenridge (2900m at base). We felt just as bad after Boulder as we did when going straight from sea level a few years earlier.
     
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  26. malas1

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    Diamox is pretty good.
     
  27. teckel

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    Cocaine? For kids?
     
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    My first thought when I read the OP.
     
  29. Sydlouise

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    All good. I prefer Canada to the States anyway :) only thing I’ll miss is LA stopover Six Flags rides!
     
  30. Sydlouise

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    Thank you all for the good advice! Ive packed no doze caffeine tablets, ibuprofen and panadol and the boyfriend is seeing GP on Friday so asked him to see what he can shake them down for. He has a knack for getting given the good stuff we both broke our legs same time mine was WAY worse but they were handing him endone like lollies and would tell me to take a Panadol. I must just look a bit suss.
     
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    Did you see Four Corners tonight about Iran........Everything Forbidden, Anything Possible!
    Featured a bit about Dizin towards the end of the program.
     
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    Women do pain better than men ;)
     
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    No I didn’t see it, maybe I can stream online thanks for the heads up :)
    Just glad to be finally going was meant to be there last Feb and had to cancel because wasn’t able to ski yet after an accident. Lammeeee.
     
  34. Zimbooo

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    Coca leaf in its natural state, chewed or made into a tea and then also put into a lolly is not Cocaine. More education required..
     
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    Yeh, it's a totally different munted.
     
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    Yep, not munted just relief from altitude and nausea sickness. Them indigenous peoples of the Andes knew a thing or two before others started cooking it to make different things which the western world craves.
    But anyway we are not here for education in the Andes we are in Iran.
    The Coca leaf in Tehran might bring 40 lashes to the death penalty, as may not wearing the correct attire as a female.
     
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    It’s weird the dress code doesn’t apply in the ski resorts. Women have uncovered hair and short ski jackets. But do that outside a ski town and it’s not great. Apparently the religious police aren’t snow lovers :)
     
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    Turning a blind eye to the rich and powerful. Keep your wits.
     
  39. MarzNC

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    Not sure why you think 1,800m is not enough to make a difference in terms of your body starting to adjust to high altitude. I live at about 100m, if that. Just did a trip to Taos that started with a night at 1200m in Albuquerque, then 2200m in Santa Fe, and finally lodging near Taos Ski Valley around 2800m. I starting drinking more fluids, mostly water, a day before. Essentially 2-3 times more water than usual. Note that when I go directly to Alta at 2400m, I usually have a bit of a headache the first day but am okay by the second.

    Everyone reacts to high altitude differently. Doesn't matter whether someone is physically fit or not. Sleeping lower does help. One reason I sometimes stay in SLC for the first few nights when skiing in Utah.

    Have heard from more than one person that gingko biloba seems to help. For the recent Taos trip, one of my friends takes it all winter since she does multiple ski trips to the Rockies. Not likely to hurt to try some. Should start before the trip.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18076292

    http://www.wemjournal.org/article/S1080-6032(09)70086-9/abstract

    http://www.everestnews.com/stories024/peterh.htm
     
  40. The Plowking

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    Epic trip. Very jealous.
    Been wanting to do this since the mid 90s
     
  41. Majikthise

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    ^ likewise...ever since i read James Clavells Whirlwind and a stack of persian ancient history.
     
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    I’m rocking an Allah appropriate jacket length anyway, warm butt on chairlifts is essential.
    It’s good to hear the consensus here and online is better to sleep low so I’ll rule out the 3,500m hotel until later in trip.
    As for wanting to go- just do it, inflation is really set in the prices seem to have gone up a lot since I planned it a year ago. Still good though, the most expensive lift tickets I’ve found are aud55 a day on weekends. Allegedly half that on weekdays but we’ll see.
     
  43. teckel

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    Warm headscarf?
     
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    One of my closest friends is Persian- does NOT like to be called Iranian
    Northern Iran- Turkman
    There's some odd misconceptions about Iran fed by American propaganda of course
    Has promised me a ski trip
     
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    I just spent over week above 3100 M in Northern India. I still had odd and restless sleep and woke up thirsty after a week of being above 3000 m. I had all the classic mild AMS symptoms plus a systemic fever at 3600 M. and had to go back to 3100 M.Oh ....how disappointing, mission aborted!..That thumping headache, dizziness, insomnia, loss of appetite, fatigue etc.
    I have hiked above 4000 M. in India before and had no major issues. I am reasonably fit so there is no way to guess what your next trip to 3500 M. plus will be like.
     
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    Learn some Farsi. Not much English is spoken in Iran.If you like rice and kebab then Iran is your kind of a place for food.
     
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    Wow MrT.
    Sorry to hear about the AMS symptoms. I wasn’t going to bother taking our leftover Diamox on trips below 5000m after how well we did on the last trip. Maybe that’s not smart and I should pack it anyway.
     
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    Skiied in dizin a few years ago, and tbh the altitude wasn't an issue. Unless you're mega dehydrated I'm guessing you should be ok. Make sure to also see some of the rest of the country, its amazing! For the keen traveller, iran is an untapped paradise. Enjoy!!!
     
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    I've read a few times that it helps to stay in Mile High City for a few nights before skiing Summit County, so a few nights in Tehran first should help your body acclimitise. The altitude at which you sleep is very important and increasing altitude gradually is also very important, so ski one of the 2,500 sleep places first.
     
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    This ... from experience, don’t do what I did at Snowmass a few years ago. Fly in at 12 pm from Sydney after trying to finish off the business class wine list, get out skiing by 2 pm and ski hard until last lifts, then hit the bar again before going to bed at midnight. Was fine the next day, but the day after that ... death.

    And I have skied some pretty high altitude places, but I have never, ever had altitude sickness like that ... sober, water go gently ...
     
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