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News Pretty Valley hut maintenance and possibly total rebuild

Discussion in 'Falls Creek' started by Moondog55, Mar 21, 2019.

  1. Moondog55

    Moondog55 One of Us

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    Just had a message from Parks Victoria thanking me for the offer of building materials. It seems that some money has become available and the ranger is meeting with some fellers from HCH in a week or two to have discussions. I am demolishing my old shed to make way for a new and grander edifice and it seemed a shame to send good roofing iron and timbers to scrap and/or landfill.
    I also offered some surplus double glazed window panels. cypress posts etc.
    So perhaps if anybody has spare wall wrap and / or insulation you could give Parks a call in Mt Beauty and see what they say
    New hut may even have a veranda so we can sit and watch the snow fall while drinking our cocoa
     
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    Bogong Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    More woke than thou.
    It's a shame to see one of the few remaining "SEC Cubes" go, there used to be dozens of them scattered all over the area. But Pretty Valley Hut is over 70 years old and was never designed to last more than a decade. Anyway, it will be exciting to see what The Powers That Be replace it with.
     
  3. Moondog55

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    Every year I go up and see it still standing I am surprised. The hut has patches on the patches and all the Alpine Ash posts and stumps are rotted away so something needs to be done.
    Parks worst nightmare might be the old hut collapsing on a dozen school students with a metre or two of wet snow on the roof
    The resident Antechinus may need to find new homes tho.
     
  4. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    @Moondog55 can you give me a relevant contact at PV, can donate but it’ll be a slightly complex process from SA.

    Where is the nearest Bunnos to Mt Beauty?
     
  5. Moondog55

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    Ranger is Kevin Cosgriff contactable through Parks Mt Beauty office
    No idea about the nearest Bunnings tho
    PM sending
     
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    I think the nearest Bunnings is Albury/ Wodonga but there is a hardware store in Myrtleford and one in Mt Beauty.
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Trade account is with Bunnos, no wukkers, I’ll sort something out.
     
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    Bunnos Wodonga and Remos Transport might do the trick?
     
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  9. Moondog55

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    Well I have had an email from the Ranger. The huts association do not want the double glazed panels, the roofing iron, the fibreglass insulation, the housewrap or any of the structural timbers. I guess it all goes to landfill, firewood and scrap over the next few months
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Surely you know a good spot to sneak in a new hut?
     
  11. Moondog55

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    Don't tempt me unless you are offering to help, I can think of a couple of places tho.
    Not sharing locations
     
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    Dahlsens mitre 10 Myrtleford
     
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    Hopefully they don't replace it with a characterless, flat pack hut.
     
  14. Moondog55

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    Got an email last week from the Huts association.
    Apparently the hut is scheduled for refurbishment/rebuild or whatever as soon as the Covid restrictions are lifted.
    Again I offered help and building materials. I also again raised the issue of a toilet close to the hut but I haven't received an answer.
     
  15. Mister Tee on XC Skis

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    If we XC skiers and bushwalkers can get a rebuild like Weston's hut or Michelle hut then that would be excellent.
    @Ubiquitous Steve might be interested in helping somehow once we are let out of plague prison.
     
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    There is a LARGE Hardware shop in Myrtleford.
     
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    Ubiquitous Steve Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Oh just caught up with proceedings!They need to think big....well bigger than usual.
    You need to cater for day trippers in ski season and summer....but you need a reasonable size hut for winter use of Cross country skiers.The old hut has served the community well.Team Bears have replaced some weather boards and done a paint job inside and out on occasions.We tried as hard as possible to keep the snow from getting in past the facia board.Something similar to Weston’s or Ropers Hut is the go...Max insulation .....but provision for influx of day trippers too.Never mind the FHAW thingee....Parks need time plan and think progressively for the future.Some big double glass windows ,double doors etc
    etc.

    Pretty Valley Hut was a tremendous asset and appreciated by many when the weather was shitty...sometimes over 15 people inside .It provided a safe haven for first timers trying out snow camping and overnight trips.They need to get a new one up prior to winter 2021.
    It is sad to see it go....but it had a good long life....a very good piece of infrastructure
     
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    The rebuild of Pretty Valley hut will be a good start. The hut is tiny and falling down. It gets a lot of visitors year round. If they make it like Michelle hut with the 'airlock ante chamber' ,proper burner and chimney , water tank etc. then the future will be looking bright for making a base there for BHP ski touring in white season. The Team leader can still restock the new hut with wood in 2021 for the white season .
     
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    Pretty Valley horseyards receives significant summer visitation by road with large numbers of car-based campers.

    Given the summer road accessibility and the XC proximity to the resort in winter it makes sense to retain only a smaller hut on the existing footprint - not a rebuild, but a refurbishment- but an upgrade of the toilet facilities to manage the larger numbers.

    With the toilet at the horseyards a need for an additional toilet at the hut seems redundant.
     
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    Ubiquitous Steve Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    But the minority of skiers are tourers and spend nights out on the high plains....Day skiers just whizz back to Falls....but they are not the only consideration .Foot print itself is not of great concern.....the little yard at Pretty Valley immediately in the front of the hut is no longer used.....so a great area is available if required for a rebuild .....we don’t need to cling to the past..sensible development should be considered.
     
  21. Moondog55

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    The existing toilet overflows in winter if not pumped out before the road closes, it is now too small to cope with the numbers visiting, also there are a large number of hut visitors who won't travel the further distance to the existing drop.
    The trouble is structural, most of the supporting timbers in the floor are heavily weathered and/or starting to rot because the walls leak as does the roof in very have snow loads and the stud walls have similar issues. The SEC huts were built as temporary structures and I'm surprised they have lasted as well as they have.
    I think it will come down to the time and money available, as it is usually much cheaper and time efficient to demolish and start from scratch with old and rundown structures.
    BTDT
    In winter the hut area is a more protected camping area so more people camp closer to the hut then.
     
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    Ubiquitous Steve Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Well it’s easy access for builders....and possible to get concrete truck or other machinery right up to the site .Lets build something decent for future generations .
    But the thin edge of the wedge Dudes will be out to throw cold water on any development!
     
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  23. Chaeron

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    A Parks Vic visitor centre with some summer amenities would be a logical step - throwing out the Hotham-Falls crossing pipe-dreams, and enabling more mountain bike use of the existing trails around Falls.

    Call it the Steve Lee centre or something.
     
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    Ubiquitous Steve Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Well perhaps they could tidy up track from Tawonga Huts around old jeep track...over Fainters and out by Bogong Jack Saddle.Not much work required for Mt Bike Track....washouts need a few bridges .That would provide quite a pleasant route for Mt Bikes...oh yeah finishing up near Big Hill.Probably a better return for dollars spent !
    The other long route...Nelses .Timms Lookout Fire trail to Big River and out to Mt Ck Picnic Ground ?
     
  25. Moondog55

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    He isn't dead yet but that idea of a back country visitor centre is a very good idea. Won't happen tho as no money for manpower to staff it.
    Speaking to the rangers from Parks over many years I have advocated for disabled toilet access as well as camping platforms and a couple of simple roofed shelters in that general area to provide picnic space for people like my beloved who are unable to walk much but like to get out. The lack of disabled toilets is discriminatory in this age.
     
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    Ubiquitous Steve Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Even Keppels Hut has a toilet suitable for disabled folk....not sure how good path is up to there though.
     
  27. Mister Tee on XC Skis

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    Is there a design of the new hut that we could look at on the interwebby
    ?
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Phone Parks in Mt Beauty for latest info.

    Pretty certain the rebuild has been delegated out to a group who were planning to get this project done this Spring / Summer but might subject to some reprogramming given only locals can get to the work site at present.
     
  29. Moondog55

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    I trust the Huts Association - working alongside some specific partners including regional walking clubs they’ve done great work at places like Youngs and Cope huts recently.

    Dibbins needs some work too....
     
  31. Mister Tee on XC Skis

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    Bogong Jack Saddle also needs replacing with a Michelle hut type structure.
     
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  32. Moondog55

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    I haven't seen the new Michell hut and technically I believe it should be called a refuge.
    The old hut was tiny and cramped with all 8 of us in there one very wet winters day
     
  33. Mister Tee on XC Skis

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    Michelle Hut, Roper's hut, Federation hut & Weston's hut are all excellently rebuilt huts. Michelle hut and Federation hut both have ' air lock antechambers' which helps keep heat in and snow out in white season.
    I would suggest double glazing the way Dershko's hut ( KNP NSW) is designed would be a wise investment in any rebuilt hut on the BHP.
     
  34. Chaeron

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    It’s a good space.
     
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    I've just received an email via the Huts Association, still in the planning stages, money, time and COVID restrictions delaying a lot of projects so nothing definite yet.