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Advice needed Private lesson a waste of money.

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by maurice101, Sep 2, 2019.

  1. Annabuzzy

    Annabuzzy Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    There’s a lot of “depends”. What’s the turn radius on your ski? 11M? 26M.

    How heavy are you? How fast are you going? These will all impact on how much your ski will bend, regardless of high edge angles.

    I was skiing recently with a guy on short turn citizen race skis, and me on 88mm underfoot all mountain skis. He remarked I got my ski up to bigger edge angles for the same turn than he did. Which I guess naturally follows from the ski width and turn radius.
     
  2. maurice101

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    14 m turn radius. 70 kg Carving at slow speeds at present.
     
  3. Annabuzzy

    Annabuzzy Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Mine were rhetorical questions, but thanks!! :)
     
  4. chrisj

    chrisj One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thought you might be interested in how us oldies do it. 65 is only six years away for me too, in the other direction unfortunately.
     
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    DPS Driver One of Us

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    Here @maurice101 this explains it perfectly for you. Being the technique junkie you should be right on to it. Best of luck.
     
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    All ski instruction is a rip off, except every minute you can spend with Rod.



    I've recently learned that Rod has changed from a universal wax to DPS Phantom
     
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  7. Sandy

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    Leon: ".......What part didn't you get?"
    Maxwell Smart: "The part starting with 'In order to maintain.......' "
     
  8. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Heluva claims to be demonstrating counteraction with that video but it actually shows ZERO upper body counteraction.
    He deliberately rebuilt his technique as requested to demonstrate the "feet first" style of the American Dreamers.
    Which causes nothing but Nightmares !
    Harb's counteraction involves deliberate acceleration and braking of upper body rotation near the END of the previous turn.
    It profoundly enhances the transition to the new edges.
    He realized that every top racer does it from the most extensive video analysis.
    My five year olds do it from day one.
    Far better for you to go back to my gliding wedge to understand it. :)
     
  9. cold wombat

    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Social Media Mod Ski Pass: Gold

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    There are lots of things 5 year olds do that no sensible adult advocates. Perhaps you have found another one.
     
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  10. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    None taken. Spent the whole night reading rather than skipping through this thread and now know everybody much better.
    With less than a hundred devotees to our style it was suggested that I just didn't want any more.
    Sorry if I have followed the path that I have often derided, complicating our simple and natural movements like the commercial entities have so often tried.
     
  11. cold wombat

    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Social Media Mod Ski Pass: Gold

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    Do you often pick word salad from the menu?
     
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    crackson A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I suspect bbb is jamie pierre.
     
  13. Call_me_Ishmael

    Call_me_Ishmael One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    some people call me Maurice
     
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  14. maurice101

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    I originally did a search for a boot touching ski drill and got Heluva videos. I looked at his other videos and he seemed to have good drills that would help me to improve my carving.

    I was pretty funny too when I found that Heluva seems to have trained with harb systems and not traditional ski instruction. If you look at the comments below a video he mentions harb. Funny how I ended up at harbs stuff.

    If you look at heluvas free skiing videos I think it looks pretty good to my untrained eye and I wish I could ski even a little bit like him.

    Bbb, looking at one drill video without checking out the free skiing videos and making big statements to my mind is a little bit over the top.

     
  15. maurice101

    maurice101 Early Days

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    Hey guys, love the funny videos. You guys (and girls?) are a great bunch. I only got one guy putting me down and I expected more!!!
     
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  17. Scott No Mates Ver 1.1

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    I've been away :rolleyes:

    Seriously though, I skipped pgs 2-5 but had to wonder a few things - which resort was it all at Selwyn where you took your privates?

    Someone remarked that the quality of the lesson will depend upon the instructor that you get - I second that remark. Check with the ski school as to which instructor does X or get a few recommendations. Have a chat to a few instructors (on a chair or if you see them around the mountain), see how they attack a hill. I have on occasion sought out instructors who are involved in race club where I needed specifics on some matters. (Many of these instructors taught my kids in Snowclub but are now running race clubs etc in various resorts).
     
  18. DPS Driver

    DPS Driver One of Us

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    'cause I speak of the pompatus of love.

    Just thought I'd finish that off for you.
     
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  19. maurice101

    maurice101 Early Days

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    Scott, I did talk around and also talked to a first aid guy that had skied Mt Selwin a lot. The level 3 guy I got was highly recommended. I am not sure Mt Selwin has race instructors as it is more of a beginners area. At Treble cone I specifically asked for a race coach but got a guy that taught extending to release.

    I am sure there are great instructors in Australia that can teach a person that has just learned from books and videos how to do a pure carved turn that flexes in transition, skies narrow stance in transition and wants to improve edge angles. I just have not found one yet after 3 attempts and my first post arose out of frustration about spending hard earned money and not getting what I asked for.

    However......

    I am going to join the dark side. I am off to NZ in 2 weeks and if the snow is still good I am booking another private lesson. The instructor I have in mind is a Harb certified instructor. It will be real nice not to be told to widen my stance every-time I have a lesson when the instructor himself skies narrow. I will post my experience back if the lesson happens .

    I took a look at the Reilly video again and at transition he has a much narrower stance than me. Imagine Reilly having a lesson and be told widen your stance!!!

    The level 3 instructor I had said that rotation of the leg is essential to skiing and actually speeds up carving. I just do not understand this at all. I got a degree and post degree from Uni so I am not dumb.

    I was going from edge to edge without a directional change to make a smooth curve above the fall line with no rotational input from my boots at all. Just a fast edge to edge change and balance on the new stance ski. The edge change came from the phantom move with no rotational input to change the direction of the stance ski.

    Its all a bit of a mystery to me.
     
  20. cold wombat

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    *** Let the instructor work out what you need to learn next ***
     
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    Selwyn is a lovely place. Great for beginners and families. But I doubt you could develop the kinetic energy properly to explore advanced techniques.
     
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    The stance width does not change, the inside leg is raised towards your body - result you lean further and get more edge angle but you have not changed your stance width by doing this
     
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  23. maurice101

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    Craig, I was trying to learn to do this before my lesson. I could get the inner ski to ark up and separate from the stance ski with a bit of side loading but my knees and legs would separate as my hip or body did not drop enough to go inside the turn. I did find Mt Selwyn an excellent resort to do drills and try and get back into skiing after not that many days on the snow in 40 years. Mid week there were not many people on the slopes and you could even do garland exercises without risking your life compared to the more popular resorts.
     
  24. crackson

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    It's all in the balls of the feet. Gentle forward movement of the inside ski. Let your hips follow.
     
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    crackson A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Don't lift your inside hip/ski. Keep pressure on it and move it forward.

    Stay centred and lay into it.
     
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    crackson A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Add angulation to carve, decrease angulation to slarve.

    It's that easy. Just do it.
     
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    crackson A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    That'll be $500.
     
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    Angels fear to tread here, with the infinite depth of analysis.
    Crackson has deep practical understanding.
    Heluva is fishy, why use the Harb terminology, if you don't DO most of it ?
    Misunderstanding or deliberate obscuration ?

    "Park and Ride" is denigrated, but it is the purest carve, if you are brave.
    Simultaneously apply both edges equally, let it happen.
    But vertical body and horizontal legs is crazy.
    Remember that statement by the Elan technical director:
    "In a pure carve on hard piste, you cannot turn tighter than the ski sidecut radius "
    A soft ski just makes that happen at a lower speed.
     
  29. maurice101

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    Crackson, I would be very happy to pay you $500 if you can get me to drop my hip close to the snow in a carve next time I ski!!! You pick a resort and time. Warning it might take more than a hour!! I'm not that good. The instructor said my inner ski was going too far forward in the turn and he wanted me to pull it back, be more square and have less angulation. Pulling the inner ski back was the good thing I got from the lesson. This seemed to make me ski more forward.I think he said this as I am not on the balls of my feet like you pointed out above. Lito suggests to relax the stance leg and let the body flow down the hill. So relaxation the right body muscles seems to be a key too. Without a video.........
     
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    So you admire flex at apex while requesting flex at transition.
    So you admire park and ride while requesting carve beginning on balls of feet.
    Real racers are hobbled with rule of maximum sidecut, you are not.
    So maybe tell your instructor "I just want to LOOK good"
     
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    Most people in their 60s are at the stage of their life where they no longer care what they look like. "I'm here to enjoy life in all its fullness. Not to look pretty."
     
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    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    Why not both :thumbs:
     
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    If you want to worry about what you look like in a selfie, that's up to you. Just be aware that not all (most?) of your peers feel like you.
     
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    Peers ?
     
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    Other old people :whistle:
     
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    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    It seems to be that @maurice101 doesn't want to just look good, but wants to experience the thrill of laying the turn right over, with all of the forces and feelings that entails.....

    It's like powder... you don't just do it to get photos, or so that the pow hits you in the face... it's just thrilling!!!! :D
     
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    This was what I’ve been waiting for: a discussion between bbb and maurice.
     
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    True but OTOH smooth technique makes skiing easier and more enjoyable as the body deteriorates
     
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    I don't feel like I'm enough of a hotshot to contribute here, but the above comments are my exact experience.
     
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    True, but skiing gracefully is kind of an end in itself, whether anyone is watching or not.
     
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    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Aren’t we all chasing that?
    It’s not about what others think, it’s about how you feel.
     
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    I've been doing a bit of carving lately with the Cassiar 79/s just to break things up.

    I find the lower I go (more angulation) the less weight is borne by the inside ski. To get weight back on to that ski I have to widen the stance and bring it up under my backside more, otherwise there's not enough room for both skis on that axis. I wouldn't have a clue what the technical jargon is for this but it's common sense.

    The main focus when I am carving is ball of the foot, engage the edge then slowly start to drive forward with the hips. Generally my outside arm pushes forward when I'm really driving hard. It works for me, fck knows what it looks like but it feels good and you can go really fast.
     
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    Perhaps you should get @bawbawbel to give you a lesson? I think that would greatly assist you. I’m not sure what he charges but hopefully a tab of acid is included in the lesson cost.
     
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    Times eleventy billion.

    I feel like a god, therefore....

    I look like an idiot!
     
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    Its all in the angle of the whistle ......
     
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    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    I can’t see myself. So I don’t care.
    (Don’t you dare take video and show me, I’d rather live in my delusions)
     
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    That suit rival's Astro's - and that's really saying something!
     
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    Great pic, nice whistle but the suit aarghh!
     
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    The poignancy of the whistle angle is lost in the superficiality of fashion .......

    The ski flex, trench depth ...... whistle angle.

    Euro suits .... solid colours, black, grey, a dash of red piping, every man. :p
     
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