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Advice needed Private lesson a waste of money.

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by maurice101, Sep 2, 2019.

  1. Roymond

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    Kinda looks like a hint of a mullet hanging back there as well. euro-chic all over.
     
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    One of the things I love about skiing is that you can't fake it. If you can ski, you can wear a green garbage bag and you'll still look good. If you can't ski, you can wear a $1000 Bogner onesie and you'll still look like crap.
     
  3. DPS Driver

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    Yeah..................................Nah!
     
  4. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    there was this chick skiing the other day @skifree also saw her, in a red onesie, 60's style, she looked totally hot. Couldnt ski great, but good enough, really carried it.
     
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  5. DPS Driver

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    Not carving here but note the muted natural tones, blending with nature and accessorized with basic black for effect. No whistle but I do recall dressing to the left that day so possibly helping with that turn.

    Trenches, flex, angulation blah, blah blah. Just look at the outfit.

    [​IMG]
     
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  6. cold wombat

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    Needs a liberal dash of hot pink.
     
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    Also lacking the hot pink.
     
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  8. DidSurfNowSki

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    Both shots are missing decent snow too

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  9. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    You have actually just paused mid carve for that shot yeah?
     
  10. chrisj

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    It makes sense to dress to the side to which one is turning, though it could get a little awkward making the necessary adjustments during linked turns
     
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  11. DidSurfNowSki

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    How did you know ???

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  12. maurice101

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    Hey bb, how about a video of your skiing from your clone buddy Maurice. Clones are meant to ski alike. While you at it how about posting it to the pmts forum to see if you really are doing hhs 10 essentials? Hh too sometimes comments on this thread. Your fishy guy HeluvaSkier posts on this forum and is brave enough to put his skiing up on youtube too.
     
  13. dawooduck

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    Sponsored ......
     
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  14. maurice101

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    While on the hh topic. I was skiing 2 years ago at treble cone. The conditions were poor, hard packed with soft patches. Everyone was skiing the groomed, very crowded runs as everywhere else it was real bad.

    I was doing my usual sliding turns on the hard packed and then hitting the soft snow and I was thinking, why am i paying good money to do this. Its just not enjoyable. Along comes this guy doing fast short turn carved turns and was just was lovely to watch. Poetry in fluid motion. I found out later it was Harold Harb who was doing a ski camp there.

    I went to Mt Dobson and the japan ski team was running gates. Then they free skied. I could not work out how they got such high edge angles and carved turns on the run I was doing and making it look so easy. It was interesting to see them do drills between runs. Like the javlin, something I was practicing. Then they would take off one ski and do short carves on one ski. Then swap and do the other.

    Funny thing is that the japan ski coach then did a bit of free skiing. Again poetry in motion and a similar style to harb. I must say seeing high level skiing is pretty amazing.
     
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    Sorry, grey gloves with black and green just doesn't cut it. How could you possibly carve in an outfit like that.
    Here's me in a little blue and white number I whipped up on the Elna. Hopefully this complies with your "decent snow" request.
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  16. cold wombat

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    Still missing the hot pink.
     
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    You can't see the undies, hot pink and lace.
     
  18. cold wombat

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    That's the spirit!

    But ski with them on the outside next time.
     
  19. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Maurice, when you spoke of table tennis power coming from the core, I expected some questions for me about Harb's "counteracting", which he uses more than most, but carefully avoids actually spelling out as a deliberate core input to transition.
    The goal is loading the ski in the top of the turn, so that the average edge pressure is less over the full turn.
    It does not necessarily change the direction of the skis at transition, it allows you to remain centered while the pressure moves toward the balls. Just what the doctor ordered.

    "Instructor I had said that rotation of the leg is essential to skiing and actually speeds up carving. I just do not understand this at all. I got a degree and post degree from Uni so I am not dumb.
    I was going from edge to edge without a directional change to make a smooth curve above the fall line with no rotational input from my boots at all. Just a fast edge to edge change and balance on the new stance ski. The edge change came from the phantom move with no rotational input to change the direction of the stance ski."

    Ha ! You cannot use the "BBB speaks gibberish " excuse.
    Yes, the fastest and usually incomplete carves come from that approach.
    I call on DbSki (ex motorbike racer) to expound his philosophy. :)
    You should see him ski at four times the speed of his cameraman (giggle).
     
  20. telecrag

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  21. maurice101

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    Bb I was counteracting at the top of the turn to get full weight transfer to the new stance ski. I think Reilly does this on slow motion video. He get balanced on the new stance ski edge very early in the carved turn. It was a new movement pattern to me as it felt I had to face up the hill or face the new raised edges very early in the turn. Reilly actually has one of his ski his tips lifted from the snow which is interesting and probably means he has full transfer.
    Are you saying that you use rotation to get the weight forward at this point. The instructor said pull the light ski back in the turn as he wanted me more square and use less angulation until the latter part of the turn. I took a look at that HH teaches and HH tells you to pull both boots back early in the turn.
    Of course the skis rotate as the hips move over. My confusion is about if you actively try to rotate the skis which I felt I did not do at all and my feeling was just wait for ski to turn itself.
     
  22. southpaw

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    Every time I read a post on this thread my skiing ability decreases by 1%.
     
  23. bawbawbel

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    My neighbour has entered a half marathon although it pains him to walk to the mailbox. The Human Condition ...:rolleyes:
    Knee behind ? Magnificent , but now only taught by the rebel instructor..
     
  24. bawbawbel

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    Yes, never try to directly rotate the skis during the turn. But they respond to longditudal pressure change.
    I have a video of Harb freeskiing with Reilly somewhere. Stays with him with less effort, my strain was in seeing just how it was done.
    Mindset is important. Pulling both boots back ? No, balancing forward or driving tips into the snow as counteraction is STOPPED and the upper body rotation becomes a lower body rotation. All before and during transition.
    That is important.
    During the turn any upper body rotation is just preparation for the next turn while we carve (not slarve ).
    Stroking ( changing pressure from front bias to back bias throughout the turn is optional , but changes robot skiing to joyful skiing, maybe.
    .
     
  25. dawooduck

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    hmmmm ...... The person involved in the photo sequence remarked positively on the tucked in knee and he is formally head guy of the Aqua jacket squad.

    Its interesting that having been skilled up in the straight ski rebound era by a very International crew and emulating the older school Euro old guys and their lovely lady killer style of "down unweighting" that the whole lot, with some additional "phantom move" drills and trails and some USA influence ported nicely to the modern era.

    As an .... "aging skier" the smoothness of the movements means the ski day is easier unless I dial up the dynamics.

    Happy skiing
    Happy life
     
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  26. maurice101

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    This post is spot on. For the first time in my life I was carving a turn instead of sliding. And it felt real great and actually very addictive. I can't think what it would feel like to carve at higher speed and have high edge angles.
    Suddenly I had discovered I had ski edges and that I could use them. I could go edge to edge and let the ski turn me rather than sliding them around. It was a light bulb going off in my head. I feel this is a big ski breakthrough for me and will lead to much better skiing.

    As this thread seems to be composed of ski instructors and ex instructors and no one at my low ski ability is commenting I had a thought that might be of interest to the ski instructors. As a guy looking in at your industry, to me it looks very frustrating teaching beginners.

    My suggestion is to give a intermediate skier the feeling of carving a turn and they will beg you for private lessons!! They will want that feeling like me. That must be a bit more fun than all the beginners rotating their body's to turn.

    By the way, it is easy to look good at Mt Selwin!!!
     
  27. Legs Akimbo

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    If you want to play with high edge angles get away from Selwyn. High edge angle there = falling over.
     
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  28. maurice101

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    Hey Legs, I have to start somewhere then go steeper!!
     
  29. maurice101

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    Bb does that mean as you flex down you maintain angulation or counter rotation until both skies are flat on the snow and this is a key to achieve what you are talking about. I see Reilly do this and I am pretty sure I do not do this as I flex.
     
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    But you can't achieve what you want at Selwyn.
     
  31. maurice101

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    Legs I agree with you for high edge angles. I did see a instructor snowboarder drop his hips on the snow when carving on the run I was training on but I think snowboards must have a higher turn radius?
     
  32. dawooduck

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    The whole "dropping the hips on the snow" is a tad contrived
     
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    I think ski/binding/boot unit could use some work, so they have the ability to create more angulation, rather than relying on the rider to provide it.
     
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    That’s for uni week
     
  36. DPS Driver

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    Just viewed my first Harald Harb youtube ski instruction for the parrallel turn.

    Makes sense. Can't see why 286 posts are required to work out how that turn works. It's just a different way to initiate, well actually, it's not a different way to initiate, it's a different way to teach someone how to initiate a parallel turn.

    Fck me! there's 10 minutes of my life I'll never get back.
     
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    Usually happens in the reverse plane IMO.
     
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    Oh, if you're looking for someone of lower ability, I'm your man! My experience is that once you learn get your weight forward while turning, carving just seems to happen. There are lots of other little tricks and refinements, but for me, that was fundamental.
     
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    Hi chrisj, Funny for me it was a bit different. Get my weight on uphill ski, balance on it with angulation and tilt inner ski and just let the stance ski edge and turn. Now I have to try the weight on the balls of my feet tip!!
     
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    Note the lower centre of mass

    Getting a rec skier to be that balanced and flexible with the lower centre takes ...... a lot of practice and good core strength
     
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    Good snow tho. Would love to see them do a demo down high noon at the end of the day.
     
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    Pressing down on the balls of your feet forces you to get your weight forward. Try it without skis. If you stand up straight and press on the balls of your feet, you will fall over backwards.
     
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    Yeah, it's a lot easier to look like a hero on a green groomer.
     
  45. maurice101

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    Here is one hh skiing chopped powder just out of interest. For hh age, it looks pretty good to me.. He loses a ski a the end of the run and does not fall over!!!

     
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    Why I ski at Selwyn :whistle:
    Big fish small pond
     
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    Thank you, AS.
    Here comes trouble. :p
    Reilly does not use counteraction as belatedly clarified in Harb's blogging.
    This results in some wasted carve effect in the top of his turn. He produces beautiful DEMONSTRATION turns.
    Counteraction is identical to anticipation. Anticipation in skiing does not involve a stance or static situation.
    It is the transfer of windup in some part of the upper body into the beginning of the next turn or a later part of the current turn. Yep, real, dynamic instead of static upper body separation, if you like.
    Kruckenhauser produced hundreds of wedeln instructors with rigid discipline and sent them around the world.
    But not to Oz, it seems, or Maurice surely would have been right into it in his earliest adventures..
    You will see Harb's inside arm come forward towards the end of the previous turn.
    That's all.
     
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    Thanks BB. I put the Harb Reilly video on slow motion and I think I can see difference. Subtle. Not that this will make any bloody difference to my turns!
     
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    I’ll wade into this.
    Private lessons are a waste of money.......for some.
    Personally I have had 2 lessons in my life. My kids have had the same (at ages 3 and 5). Now after some years on skis we have maximum fun - I emphasise maximum. In fact we have had a great time skiing all throughout our progress. We get around the whole mountain but no doubt technically we aren’t great skiers.
    If we wanted to become better skiers technically the only way would be instruction. That is for certain. As casual 15 to 20 days a year skiers (we live in Brisbane) is there any great advantage in being a technically better skier? Would we have more fun? I don’t think more fun is possible.

    How did the first skiers become better skiers? There was no tuition for them. They simply spent more time on snow experimenting with different technique I guess.
    Flame suit on.:p
     
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    Wow. That looks fantastic.