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Advice needed Private lesson a waste of money.

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by maurice101, Sep 2, 2019.

  1. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ski faster and you will be less tired. Unless you are a freak and have fluked into good technique you will be using power to turn, not technique.
     
  2. Sbooker

    Sbooker One of Us

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    I accept my efficiency would be far from ideal.
    But - and I’m serious here - I genuinely love the feeling of being physically fatigued at the end of the day. There is no better feeling of sitting down after skiing and loving that beer.
     
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  3. maurice101

    maurice101 Early Days

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    Sbooker, I just wish I was you. I would save a lot of money on ski lessons and much more on table tennis lessons too.
     
  4. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    mind reader
     
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  5. parkmonkey

    parkmonkey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I think there is a bit of misconception that better skiers and having better technique equals less energy expenditure, yes you will be using energy more efficiently but in many cases the expert skier will be working even harder than the punter, you don't get to a point in your skiing where you think farkit, i'm just gonna take a step back and ski easy from here on out

    I use my technique and skill to go even harder
     
  6. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Fitness, is a massive part of skiing well, massive. There is no easy, it is supposed to hurt.
     
  7. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Like riding a bike up a hill. How come it still feels as hard, even though I lost 20 kilos and got fit? Oh, I did it in half the time.....
     
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  8. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    That's not all, after all.
    Even the most perceptive poster for a long time makes the standard rejection based on the ingrained feet first delusion.
    Anticipation, Counteraction, Coiling. All the same thing, but NOT feet first.
    This is the all purpose tool for kids to racers to oldies. It also fixes every "plateau " which quickly becomes a bog for many.
    Perfect turns on a perfect piste is fine, but it is an unreal environment.
    Solutions supplied by recoiling from a strong counteraction:
    1. Lay down turns. Your skis can run out past the sane balance point but are then caught into line by the coil.
    Extreme snowboard carvers eat snow all the way around, right from transition.
    Ligeti has a utube of 10 turns down the mountain, gradually increasing coiling to the max. Exactly the same movements. Only the timing changes. Magic.
    2. Insertion of a slarve anywhere in the turn by the racers who are no longer allowed to carve around the course.
    Release a coil into flat skis, anywhere.
    3. Avoid kids inevitable progress towards a stem from a snowplough.
    A "straight to parallel " course is not necessary if they lean into a turn instead of out of it. Coiling for kids !
    4. Ski forever. A flat ski turned by recoil is a zero effort when the mileage has ground you down.

    So is our FREE course worth more attention than a passing acknowledgement or Joke From The Clowns ?
     
  9. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    We are not PMTS slaves. We take what we need. It should not be necessary for me to make a GIF of tipping and simultaneously anticipating , although it sounds like rubbing your belly while patting your head. :)
    Anyway, I woke up putting myself in your position, a 40 year hiatus.
    "Having to get on the balls of my feet" sounded sorta wrong.
    I used to have the stiffest boots, no heel hinge. I slammed my skis down and that was that for that turn.
    Now, with flexible skis, we stroke. Tip to tail. Are you with it ?
    Anyway, it is fun to listen to that wild Deb girl.
     
  10. southpaw

    southpaw One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Amen to that. Love that sore drunk feeling!
    I still get lessons though:D
     
  11. maurice101

    maurice101 Early Days

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    BB I had the exactly the same thought about this comment too. If you flex to release your hips can go back a bit and you need to get them forward and I think getting on the balls of your feet is a result of something else like boot pullback. I will try this tip in 10 days time when I ski again.
     
  12. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Looking forward to your next report. There was nobody on the PMTS forum when I checked.
    Gather the gold and reject the rubbish.
     
  13. kaegee

    kaegee One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Best two words ever got from a Korean instructor was at da bo ,during a lesson , where I asked to do short turns . Him pointing to his stomach/ diaphragm and saying ‘Tighten this ‘
     
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  14. Everski

    Everski First Runs

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    For children private lessons can be very good.
    Seen classes where child n° 12 doesn't get any attention from the teacher.
     
  15. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Twelve??!?!!!?!!!!
    Are you sure...
     
  16. cold wombat

    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Social Media Mod Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ever seen a conga like of what looks like a hundred kids making their way down taking up the full width of the pist?
     
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  17. CarveMan

    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Go watch a ski school on the monday morning of the second week of the July school hols......
     
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  18. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    In Japan, yes.
    In Aus, no.

    I’ll have to pay more attention, but I swear 6 is the usual max number I’ve spotted (at Thredbo). The Japanese school group lessons different story, they have easily more than 12 in a group. That’s a snake that can be hard to pass!
     
  19. Annabuzzy

    Annabuzzy Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    My daughter regularly does ski lessons at thredbo. The classes can get up to 8, but generally they seem to be around 5, 6 or 7. She’s never had 12.

    For her at least, and I’m sure for many kids, she enjoys the social dynamic of a lesson. It’s nit just about technique a lot of the time, for kids and also I think learning adults. It can’t be just technique all the time.

    Personally I think ski weeks (group lessons) are the absolute bees knees for learning and ski schools should do a better job promoting that. Same group, same instructor, 2 hours a day, Monday to Friday.
     
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  20. Crystal

    Crystal Sand skier extraordinaire Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    The ski week for children is the best...absolutely hate when instructors are swapped out each day though :( Groups don't work for our oldest...he is private all the way but that's a different story.​
     
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  21. cold wombat

    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Social Media Mod Ski Pass: Gold

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    Spot on. Group lessons were so much fun as a kid. Much more so than the few private lessons I had. The social dynamic is important, even as an adult.
     
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  22. climberman

    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

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    My kids have had 12+ in school holidays.
    They now refuse to go in classes at all, which is a bummer.
     
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  23. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    EEk !
    The result of the strange progression involved in our ski schools.
    If it wasn't "official" it would be laughed off the mountain.

    Kids will just go through the motions as prescribed and then continue trying to ski like you in the afternoons.
    The answer ?
    Perfect your Wholebody and teach it to them.
    Or, just level one. That will take you about half an hour to master.
    Then they will love ski school because they be either demonstrating for the instructor or just revelling in their secret knowledge.
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    " Level One: Snowplough rotations. With even weighting on both skis. we start the turn by bringing the upper arm and shoulder around in the direction of the proposed new turn, then wait for the skis to respond.
    Do not weight the outside ski ! The slope will do this. "
     
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  24. absentskier

    absentskier Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    My kids have always hated ski school.
     
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  25. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    On the upside, 1 at least is now part of the gang.
     
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  26. parkmonkey

    parkmonkey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    That’s cos they never got a totally cool ski instructor
    [​IMG]
     
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  27. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    I’m sure it’d be hard to ensure everyone leaves stoked in a group of 12, but I feel like the whole lesson structure should be to leave kids feeling stoked. Teach them a simple trick as the last thing in a lesson was usual when my kids were doing lessons.
     
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    DPS Driver One of Us

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    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Social Media Mod Ski Pass: Gold

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    DPS Driver One of Us

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    Ease up on Rachael.

    She's a good soul who's trying to make a living. Her whole life is a struggle to get ad dollars in to pay for her lifestyle, which is skiing. It might seem glamorous but it's anything but. She contributes in other ways.
     
  31. cold wombat

    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Social Media Mod Ski Pass: Gold

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    Sure, but she has a bit of a habit of taking free kicks at this place.
     
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