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Question on buying skis and boots for young kids...

Discussion in 'Equipment' started by flippa, Apr 2, 2019.

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  1. flippa

    flippa Hard Yards

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    Hi,

    I was hoping that someone with young kids might be be able to give some advice. I have 4 young kids (6,5,3,1) and we have 3 ski trips booked this year (5 days, 5 days, 10 days).

    Right now there are some good deals on overseas sites, and I was considering buying ski setups for the 2 older kids. So skis, bindings, boots and helmets. This would be instead of hiring. I can probably get a single setup for around $400 AUD, which is probably roughly s= the same amount I we would spend on rental this year.

    The only question is whether my kids will grow out of it too quickly and whether I should bother. Some considerations are:
    - The younger children will eventually be able to use these setups too, hopefully bringing down cost per use
    - carting this stuff around is theoretically a hassle, but I have a double ski roller bag so could easily fit their stuff in there with mine.

    My main reservation is that they will grow out of it too quickly.

    Any thought or advice appreciated!

    Thanks
     
  2. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    There’s a pretty good market for 2nd hand kids gear. And you have plenty of hand me down opportunities. Buy.
     
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    If you're in Canberra get along to the ACT Snowsports second hand sale in May at the Old Bus Depot. Also take a look at the Roces kids ski boots. They expand in size so should get a few years out of them. Also a reasonably healthy secondhand market for them.
     
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    absentskier Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    You are exactly the type of person these packages are designed for. We have eked incredible value out of these (particularly the boots). Buy in 'neutral' colours so that they can be handed down between boys and girls.
     
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    I recently made the call to grab a snowboard for my 3 year old. We're planning on having another one soon, so I figure we'll get about 6 years in total out of the board. Boots, annoyingly, are the more "consumable" item for kids - I'm keen to buy some, but I want to wait until we're close to our trip to ensure that he doesn't have a growth spurt.

    For me, him having his own gear makes me more inclined to take him up to Lake Mountain/Donna Buang/Baw Baw for a little play on the hill.
     
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    Snowy Joey One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Having 4 kids, eldest is now 17. I highly recommend the Roces ski boot. They have lasted right up untill they were younger to mid- teens and needed a more technical boot. Kids have never complained whilst wearing them. They grow with them, the bigger ones up to 25.5. And they now come with a power strap, making them even better.
     
  7. PG2736

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    Definitely buy. We get 2-3 seasons out of gear for each of our children, then it gets handed down to the next child and eventually sold. Plus avoid the hassle of having to hire which is worth every dollar!
     
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    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Another vote for Roces .

    If you can get to Jindy for the ski sale , June long weekend.

    Well worth it.

    Especially if you get there early.
     
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    LM has Burton Riglets lessons for littlies on boards from 3 years of age. Could be good for a couple of lessons before hitting the big hills. Oh - there's a magic carpet in the lesson area.
     
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    In our double roller, we fit our 2 pair of skis, plus the kids 100cm and 120cm skis, and their 21.5 boots and a small size roces. Plus 3 pair poles, came in at 24.9kg, perfect for the 25kg allowed by jetstar.

    +1 for the roces.
    +1 for second hand skis
     
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    I've seen that before, as well as their terrain park. This year is the first time we'll have a chance to properly get on the mountain with him.
     
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    Snowfi One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    We brought mix of new (boots) and used after the kids had been skiing one os trip and one aus winter. I waited till I knew they (hubby and kids) were hooked. Kids were 8 and 6 at that point. Used brought from ACT snowsports expo and other forum members.

    We also sell what we've finished using to help fund next purchases.

    I was surprised how slow their heads grow. Miss 13 has only had two helmets from 6 to now... only needs a new one because she cracked the last one with a big fall.
     
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    Thanks for all your great responses. The roces definitely sounds like the way to go. I'm now just wondering about ski size. For example my 6 year old is 119cm but quite light. Ski chart suggests 100-100cm cm. Would it be OK to buy some 112cm's? Plus size is he hill grow into them but I thought that small skis might be more maneoverable while learning. he can do a good pizza and ski a basic home run.

    or maybe i'm overthinking it...
     
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    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Definitely overthinking ;) At that age the most important thing is graphics LOL
     
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    Roces here too.

    First pair lasted three seasons. Just moved to the next size.

    Best thing is that boot size changes without a need to tweek the bindings as boot sole length is constant.

    Skis can hand em down. With the number of days you are doing it will come in cheaper or similar to hiring without the bullshit.
     
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    Snow Blowey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    This - just went through this with my daughter again. "I like the pink ones dad".
     
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    The Salomon kids boots for ~$129 have been sensational for our kids. They last for ages...and have never had any issues with the kids having cold or sore feet.
     
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    Gone through that to, both girls, except the youngest has now said she no longer wants to recieve hand me downs from her older sister. Dammit they're only 8 and 10, thought I had a couple more years before that kicked in.
     
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    Snow Blowey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thats easy. If they don't want hand me downs they can buy their own, or stay at home!

    Says father of one. ;)
     
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    This is why it's important to buy second hand to start with - that way, no-one can complain about getting hand-me-downs when (older sibling) gets new gear.
     
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    I can hire out for "you lucky little bastards" style pep talks to your kids if they want to get picky about gear. FFS we couldn't even afford to go skiing when i were a wee lad.................
     
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    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Like the conversation with my (late teen) kids who didn’t want to fly to USA on Xmas day (scored FF flights that day only). You can guess my response :rolleyes:
     
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    You get two Christmas days?
     
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    If you cant get to any of the second hand sales Level nine sports currently have Roces boots on sale for US$99.
    https://www.levelninesports.com/roces-2019-idea-adjustable-kids-ski-boots
    Your 8 year old might even have big enough feet for the large size boots which start at 22.5cm. (also on sale for $99)
    https://www.levelninesports.com/roces-idea-free-adjustable-kids-ski-boots-2019
    Grab some skis for $59 and bindings for $49 (they will mount them for you) and you are all set.
    They do good prices on brand name helmets as well.
    Have used them several times - no hassles
     
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    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Well yes that and the other one ;)
     
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    All ordered guys, thanks again for all the advice.

    Helmets/goggles from backcountry.com. Roces boots from levelninesports.com and skis/bindings from snowleader.co.uk.

    I can also highly recommend freezeproshop.com but didn't use them this time.

    Thanks!
     
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    How did you go with Backcountry? I've found them to be particularly difficult with certain brands and shipping to Australia. Did you use a forwarding company?
     
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    I've used myus.com to ship from Backcountry. Bought a pair of ski boots from them.

    Freight to myus.com (in Florida) is free for most retailers - inc Backcountry.com.

    Some recognise the exempt zip code of myus.com's suite address and don't charge sales tax. I'm afraid that Backcountry.com is not one of them.

    Myus.com will charge Oz GST on the cost of goods and freight - which has to be done these days. The freight charges to Australia are reasonable.
     
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    Yes they have a lot of brand restrictions with international shipping, the list is here. I use Shopmate by Australia Post for forwarding.
     
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    Level9 all the way.

    For ski sizes it's not a big issue and you are over thinking. My daughter is 7y.o and 122cm, she's on a 120cm ski this year. Ideally 110cm might be better but it won't have any real impact on her. She's just cruising around doing snowplow most of the time.

    As others mentioned, her favourite feature of the ski's is that they are purple. (ski colour and aesthetics are still a large factor when her mum chooses her own adult skis).

    112cm will be fine for you and good for next year also.

    We find the Level9 Nuggie's (neck warmers) a very useful and cheap addition also - usually only $2. They're the right thickness, good for windy days to protect your face and don't cause overheating. Buy a few spares as kids suck on them and get them drenched, and leave them at ski school.
     
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  31. Peanut

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    Keep in mind with the Roces that the listed sizes are very generous. I bought a second hand pair in the largest size range for my older son last year, and when I got them, I could fit my own feet in them with wiggle room. My own boots are a Mondo 23.5 (yes I have tiny feet), so that gives you some idea of the generosity of the Roces sizing. Both of my boys have the same size feet, and they can fit their feet in the middle size range Roces boots on the second smallest setting.
     
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    It's great that you found something that worked for you.
    I have used Roces boots for my 12 yo since she was 4. In that time we have gone through 3 pairs of Roces boots and while they aren't the snuggest of fits they are fit for purpose.
    As previously mentioned at this age colour and graphics of the skis is the most important thing. However.... I would argue, don't be too stingy and be tempted to buy up too big a size ski as it will make their progression that much more difficult. Although with fully rockered skis you can get away with a little bit more length.
     
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    Hey @flippa can I ask if you tried an Australian ski shop for your purchases?

    I'm in the industry and I support our local industry. That being said I understand the budget and the need to save dollars and the big overseas e-tailers provide well in this area.

    It's more out of interest sake. Are people trying to buy locally or doing the research online then taking that info into a shop and asking for a price match or at least close to or are they just going straight to the web and buying?
     
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    One problem with buying local is that often they don't have the range. For example I'm pretty sure that no one stocks the Roces boots in Australia and yet clearly there is a market for them. Then there is obviously the price difference. Even with the GST(Gerry harvey Support Tax) added for some businesses the differential is still significant.
     
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    Yeah I understand the Roces. I resisted the urge to state that in my initial post. Most stores can access them but because they don't sell in volume in Australia holding them in stock is a risk.
    The price difference is not as relevant if you approach the store. Would you pay a slight premium for the local support, warranty etc. and if so what would you be prepared to pay for that?
     
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    My counter to the warranty issue is to question how often does hardware get returned for warranty issues (and I mean genuine warranty issues not where someone tears a edge out in the park and tries to claim warranty, with I was just skiing and it totally ripped out) ? I know it happens, but it is pretty rare these days (I only know of one in nearly 30 years of skiing) and for a lot people purchasing from OS not having a local warranty is probably worth the risk if the price is good enough.

    With modern manufacturing and quality control I think warranty is probably not as important as it once was. Even recalls are rare and I doubt you would be refused support because something was bought OS.

    I think good customer service, especially for people new to the sport, is worth it. I would even say vital for boots and for your first one or two pairs of skis or boards. However a key problem is that too often the staff in Australian stores are not that good. I've had my wife fitted for boots that just didn't fit (too the extent she took them off half way down Hypertrail and stood in the snow barefeet) I've seen people advised towards skis where it was clear the sales assistant just didn't know what they were talking about, or they weren't listening.

    Mind you I don't think this just a ski industry issue. Retail just isn't seen as a career in Australia and thus people do it before moving to a "proper job" and owners often don't develop staff because there is a churn from the progression to a proper job. Hot tip for retailers ,if a male walks into a shop, picks something and starts looking at the price tags seriously 75+% of the time they are ready to buy as most men dislike shopping. Sales assistants get out from the counter and engage with them.
     
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    On top of that, how often is warranty honoured? I had a bicycle frame fail, and the manufacturer insisted that I had been in a collision, but I hadn't. All the talk of local support means nothing if there's no actual support.
     
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    I brought skis from @CarveMan and had great service and would happily buy again. I’ve brought locally in Canberra from Straightline and had great service and aftersale service is awesome (wax skis for free), as is carvemans but I’m in Canberra so not so close. Obviously would never buy boots o/s. I’m happy to buy my skis locally as I’ll hold them 4 years.

    But kids skis in Australia seem $$$. I think many shops have a preference to the season lease system and this is where I think they let themselves down. I think if someone stocked the Roces here in Aus they would actually do okay especially if they added the right deal with them (like a special on skis or a annual boot fitting - not needed but anything to get people in the store).

    My son started skiing as a 2 year old we brought a set of Roces and k2 skis, he is now 7. He has had a second set of skis so total on skis and boots I have spent is $550 aud I have sold his gear over the years for $280 so I’m $270 out of pocket for 4.5 years so $60 a year and we ski 20 plus days a year (highest 30 days). The same skis under season lease is $250 a year!
     
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    The main reason for buying overseas is that there is a much larger range to choose from. On certain items such as kids ski clothing, or backcountry accessories, a large range matters. I have found that when you factor in exchange rate and shipping, cost is roughly the same (when buying end of season sales) but it is worth it for the larger range. I plan on buying my wife ski boots locally.
     
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    Normally though it isn't a slight premium you are paying, often if you had a warranty issue you could buy another of the same product and still be ahead of the Aus/NZ price without having to try and convince the retailer you had a genuine fault.
     
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    I am thinking to get my little girl (turning 5 in Jan) a ski set with boots as well, can you point me to the right direction to source them overseas and what sort of price range is reasonable?
    Both me and my partner are fairly new to snowboarding but the little shredder likes ski, so we don't have much idea on the ski package area.
    Many thanks
    Jo
     
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    Buy on mountain after renting...
     
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    Look at level 9 sports, they have the expandable Roces boots and ski packages. Skis are new albeit the designs are a season or two old. You will pick something up for around the $300 mark.

    I aim to get skis to the kids nose for year one, that way I get two years from the ski.
     
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    I bought skis and Roces boots from level9 for my 9 yr old at the beginning of the season. The skis were Defiance brand which I think may be a Level9 own brand. Both the boots and skis have worked well and should go for the next couple of seasons as I got the skis a bit longer than she would ordinarily have.
     
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    The pro shop at the resort or other ski shops nearby?
     
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    Thanks for the helpful insights. Both you and @zac150 mentioned getting a skis bit longer like up to the nose. Would it hinder my daughter's progress as she's still learning and may not have the skills or muscle to control a longer skiis?
     
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    Depends. Absolutely it can hinder development if the ski is too long. It is not optimal for a 5 year old new to skiing to have a ski that is up to her nose.
     
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    I had a quick look on the website and the skis + boots package they have is over $400 AuD shipping included...how did you get one so cheap haha
     
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    Yep. In my daughters case she had 2 good seasons under her belt and is also strong for her age. So I judged it would be fine for her to deal with slightly longer skis, but it really depends on the child.
     
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    Thanks, yeah I think I will try to stick around the 90cm range as she's learning now on 80cm ones.