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Road to Charlottes update 2017

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by Boutros, Sep 28, 2017.

  1. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Who cares about locks :whistle:
     
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    Btw the Cabramurra - Khancoban road opened yesterday afternoon at 1pm. My dad and his mates were the first ones through on their motorcycle tour - they opened the gates a bit early just for them!

    And some snow walls still on that road too apparently :eek:
     
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    Road is open to turning circle.
     
  4. jonathanc

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    There goes the neighbourhood... LOL
     
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    From my mate's facebook!

     
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    They are fortunate. If is the same group I know then I mentioned to Graham it would likely be closed and the Elliot Way would be the next option.
     
  7. Donzah

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    Heavy duty kit.
     
  9. Myazma

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    Shoulda spent the drone footage money on OT rates, mighta got that bit open sooner but I guess these days it's about 'look at me and the fantastic job I'm doing', little bit of music makes it so........ah FFS
     
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  10. Rabid K9

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    Exactly my thoughts, less time flucking around with drone, more time concentrating on the job.

    Machines only a good as the operator, that equipment at their disposal? Could have had it done in a tenth of the time. Private contractor would go bust is they worked like GO's.
     
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  11. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator

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    Give the guys some credit fellas. While you guys are sleeping - by 5 am Andrew patrols the roads to asses and make sure they are safe- deals with stranded vehicles and accidents ( plus the gumby factor) and there is always mechanical maintenence when this is done- ALL SEASON and beyond . It aint just beer and skittles.
     
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  12. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    But there is beer?
     
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    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator

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    Your smoko lasts all winter :cool:
     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Skifree and I gave a dude a lift back to his car, after discovering the gate open on our return, we drove up for a look. Man he was cursing them out for opening it! He had also lost a pole in the Snowy on his way back. Fking gate, Fking parks, rarararr!
     
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  15. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator

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    Who was behind the wheel ?
     
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  16. Myazma

    Myazma One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    But but that's the job their paid for. A mate does the Guth Rd, big khooners to grade that road in a blizzard at night. This is different, it is clear sunny and warm, and we ain't having a go at the operators, it's fat middle RMS management making the decision on this one. Drone should have been a tad lower for full effects of the blower.
     
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    could someone possibly explain why they have so many different machines doing pretty much the same job?
    The snow clearer with the spinning grinder and blower seems to clear the road just fine?
    Why the need for the grader AND the front end loader/shovel machine?

    Surely just running the grader up and down the road a few times ( to cover the entire width) would be sufficient?

    they do a great job, but i would like to understand why it requires so many different machines...
     
  18. Rabid K9

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    All that compressed snow needs to go somewhere.

    Clearer makes initial pass & clears windrows by throwing to side, doesn't cut to final surface.

    Grader can push to a limited extent & make final trim cuts down to grade (in this case, bitumen), front wheels would ride up over pack trying to make initial cut with this machine (can see that happening in vid).

    Digger has reach & arm mobility to clear verges, windrows etc, but slow ground speed. The steel tracks on even a mid size machine like that one will chop the bejeezus out of road surface with too much tramming.

    An articulated wheeled loader with ground speed & mobility over grader, very fast for moving volumes off verges etc, but harder to get an even cut & doesn't have reach of digger. Guys clearing by hand around posts, signs etc, surprised they didn't have a positrack or skid steer working for this smaller stuff.
     
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  19. Donzah

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    FYI Drone was a independant operation that had sweet FA to do with RMS
     
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  20. Donzah

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    Someone schooled on the Niigata snowclearing operation ..............
     
  21. Rabid K9

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    Fair enough, no job is as easy as it appears from the outside.

    But GO's notoriously milk the cow. Without the constraints of red tape & a squadron of chair riding arse coverers, a competent team would push that through in a significantly shorter timeframe.
     
  22. Old School Mike

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    Had a nice morning ski on Mts Northcote and Lee from Charlottes Pass today. Today was the first day the road is open all the way up to the pass. Go get that corn while it lasts!



     
  23. climberman

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    Guthega Rd is not RMS managed, it's NPWS.

    RMS middle management on this one are trim lovely people. Few ski but one is a keen hunter out of the far south coast. Anyway, they are getting advice from the folks on the ground. If the folks in the ground have put forward an option that could have seen it done in half the time ..... did they? It's not anyone's priority but the recreationalists. I tried my best to influence it but :(
     
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  24. Rabid K9

    Rabid K9 A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    They don't have the luxury of a month to do a nights work over there....

    Work at this efficiency over there & the northern part of the country would standstill by December.

    The uncontested masters.... from big to small, in a recent 'sparse' northern Hokkaido winter....









     
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  25. Rabid K9

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    Contract three Japanese fella's over from Otoineppu for a week or two....

    Or even just the old timer with the plastic pusher!!
     
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    Yup. I love it. Its all my Tonka truck childhood fantasies coupled with snow. Insane amounts of snow.
    However . I will counter that is fine and dandy in snowy regions of Japan. They have the equipment.
    The great Fujisan Blizzard of Feb 2014 brought Honshu to a standstill. I was stuck in it LOL.
    They were so ill equipped for snow in the wrong regions. No machines of any snowplowing ilk.
     
  27. Donzah

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    LOL the plastic pusher down the magical hole.
    Nozawa style.
     
  28. SMSkier

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    Nice. How long to get out out there @Old School Mike ? No freeze?
     
  29. Rabid K9

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    Yep, forgot to mention the secret geothermal weapon.
     
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  30. Old School Mike

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    1 hour skiing time plus half an hour faffing with the river crossing.
     
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  31. jonathanc

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    Pretty much on par for that course!
     
  32. Mister Tee on XC Skis

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    I just got back from a KNP trip . I went up to Spencer's creek . The gate was locked on Sunday 15/10/17. I skied a bit on the XC trail near the creek but it was still a bit icy so I went with just snow shoes strapped to the pack and wearing hiking boots and took my lunch. I walked up to the turning circle. The road was totally clear. I went down to the Snowy river. The Main Range had the most snow I have seen in October.The snow walls at the River crossing were very tall. I started fording the river in bare feet but it was absolutely effing freezing - F A R K !- and I turned back . Yes I am soft !
    The extra hour up and back on foot ruled out a day trip to Carruther's peak in time to get the ski gear back to the Jindy ski hire shop.
    I went and sat down in the sun and ate my lunch, looked at the stunning scenery , and waited for the feeling to return to my feet.
    I then went back to the car , got my rental BC skis and boots and poles and skied for 2-3 hours along the Johnnie's Plain pole line which had almost full cover along the pole line. That was so much fun.I got to work on my turns in the bright warm sunshine and soft spring corn snow using the shoulder of the road as a declivity.I took some crappy mob. ph. pic.s. as well as some film photos.
     
  33. Mister Tee on XC Skis

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  34. Mister Tee on XC Skis

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  35. Mister Tee on XC Skis

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    Out on Johnnie's plain I found I could turn, stop and not crash . I was so pleased I took a photo of my handy work/ tracks to prove it. I was chuffed. That was
    F U N.
    I like the Madshus Epoch skis. I could end up buying some with the NNN BC binding just like the ones I hired.
     
  36. Snow Blowey

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    Mr T - why not cross in shoes using the stepping stones? Minimal wetness.
     
  37. Mister Tee on XC Skis

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    The stones were partially submerged.I went off to ski some easier terrain closer to the car and I had fun. See my BC trip report. I had a different trip this year rather trying to relive last year's experience.I will ski out to Carruther's peak and back next year later in October , hopefully. I am still a novice on skis.
     
  38. Mister Tee on XC Skis

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    Having fun and improving my ski skills on BC skis on Johnnie's Plain near the CP road.
    15.10.17.Can you see the perfect zig zag curve I skied down from the road without the obvious crash mark ?. I did it !!.:cool:
     
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  39. Mister Tee on XC Skis

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    Out in sunny weather near the CP road .15.10.17
     
  40. Mister Tee on XC Skis

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    Skiing near the CP road. My first ski experience in NSW .
    15.10.17
     
  41. Ubiquitous Steve

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    NSW and the snowclearing effort.:thumbs: It's an annual spectacle.
    Its getting world attention for all the wrong reasons!

    A Mickey Mouse operation ......what's with the snow blower being used to move six inches of snow depth??

    It's only a few kms of clearing works.

    The Hotham Road clearers must be laughing themselves silly when viewing such footage.
     
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    1. OMG u dudes should have got the Mitta Mitta first attack dozer organised three weeks ago...then everybody would be doing doughnuts at C.Pass turning circle by now..I suppose it's just too much paperwork to get the professionals up there.No trees to push...kinda of job that is done in a lazy
    2. [​IMG]Perhaps in coming years we could have the D4 sitting in the back of this vehicle ready for despatch from Eskdale ....and the NSW guys could provide refuelling support to the crack snow clearing..
     
  43. Mister Tee on XC Skis

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    Yes, Mt. Hotham keep the Great Alpine road open all year round no matter what . However sometimes it does end up becoming closed due to blizzards and / or land slides etc.
    Next year , if I am back from trekking in the Indian Himalaya in time, I will go up to C.P. on the third weekend of October if possible.I am hanging up my 2017 white season kit now.
    I guess I went out at least ten or eleven times on snow shoes, skis or microspikes and in boots in October up to Lake Mtn.
    I could have skied Lake Mtn. for free in Oct. but I didn't think there would be snow up there. There was quite a bit indeed.

    If I lived in Jindabyne or in Mt. Beauty I would be out there BC skiing on spring corn snow now but I am a denizen of the huge yuppie apartment block with an endless giant car park that is Melbourne.
     
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  44. Rabid K9

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    It should be noted though Steve:

    (a) one wouldn't use a tracked dozer, small or otherwise for clearing lengths of a sealed road, tracks destroy bitumen and coarse dozer blade (generally not self levelling) would more than likely tear some big chunks out of road as well.
    (b) The GAR is maintained & kept open all season, so cleared is small increments, rather than being a whole winters pack, compressed by oversnow vehicles.
     
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    Dozer up and down multiple times then introduce the big truck blade to the surface of the bitumen.

    GAR also clearing in night time and during blizzard!!

    Looks like a Teddy Bears Picnic of an operation .

    And boys even had time for a home movie of the operation!!
     
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    I mean the CP road could be maintained and kept open all season, and cleared in small increments, and everyone would save a ton of money and time. Including CP. Just sayin'....
     
  47. climberman

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    What about the CP lift and lease that goes over the road?
     
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    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

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    The business imperative for Hotham is an open road. For CP it is a closed road. The opening is required ASAP after CP closes lifts
     
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    Build a tunnel! Like at Hotham.

    Isnt part of the CP charm the 'isolation'?
     
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    Yes.
    From a road perspective there is a window where you need access to CP, but can't yet drive there so need oversnow, but you don't want oversnow tracked vehicles on the road because it's not all AC but has sections of seal, which the track will root, so you want some snow cover. I just want that window reduced to SFA and a balls out effort to open the road and provide safe parking and turning.