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Seeking family friendly lodge

Discussion in 'Falls Creek' started by dmz, Jan 14, 2008.

  1. dmz

    dmz More cheeeese Gromit Ski Pass: Gold

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    Hi,
    We normally do Hotham but are unable to this year and are thinking of Falls Creek. We are looking for something equivalent to what we have at Hotham. We are in a huge family friendly lodge. I think family friendly means that people who go out drinking all night and come home loud are not welcome. We certainly dont get any of those at our Hotham lodge. We normally get a room with an ensuite and the lodge is fully self catering. There is oodles of fridge and cupboard space allocated to each room. Is there anything like that at Falls please?
     
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    Bogong Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Falls has many more low-key commercial lodges with ensuite rooms and good guest lounge areas than Hotham or Buller.

    If you're looking at places around 3½ stars, there are almost a dozen. Just off the top of my head, Nelse, Winterhaven, Ripparoo, Falls Creek Hotel, Diana, Attunga, Trackers, Cooroona... There are just as many at 3 stars if you're a bit more economy minded.

    Most of these have dinners included in the tariff, so if you still want to cook when you're on holiday it's a bit harder. However I think there are a few commercial lodges that have guest kitchens, but this is more a club lodge thing. Look at fallscreek.com.au for ideas and phone the lodge managers to book.

    Winterhaven doesn't advertise much on the major websites, but in the past they were very family friendly, I assume they still are.
     
  3. dmz

    dmz More cheeeese Gromit Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thanks for that. Ill have a look at the website. Its interesting that Hotham has more self catering and Falls doesnt. I would be really interested if anyone with kids has any direct experience with any lodges.
     
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    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    If you want self-cater, try Alpha or Viking. I know one family that regularly stay at Viking and are very happy with it. I've stayed at Alpha and thought it was very good. But I'm not sure that anywhere can control what guests turn up in a particular week.

    Also support Bogong's recommendations for Nelse and FC Hotel as family friednly - no opinion on the others.
     
  5. SNOW-STUFF

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    Nelse is good, talk to Graeme, Halleys is good talk to Lee, Viking good talk to Michael, AAC is also good but you need to know someone to get in.
    These are family friendly and also wont break the bank, there are others that are great also but cost goes up.. Stayed in all of the above numerous times...
     
  6. dmz

    dmz More cheeeese Gromit Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thanks heaps! I just spent some time checking everything out on the website and funnily enough I came up with Alpha and Viking! I know you cant control what guests turn up on any week but at least we dont have any problem with plenty of kids noise at 7.30am in the morning!
     
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  7. Bogong

    Bogong Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    As a broad generalisation, commercial lodges usually include dinner in the tarrif.

    Club lodges tend to expect you to eat out or cook for yourself.

    Most people I know hate the idea of cooking when they are on holidays. (Don't we go on holidays to get away from domestic chores?)

    But if you really want to cook, try snooping around clubs that occasionally sell unused beds to the public.
     
  8. dmz

    dmz More cheeeese Gromit Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thanks. It seems that this generalisation applies more to Falls than Hotham. We are used to years at a lodge with self catering and the cooking of the meal with friends is part of the end of day socialisation. And we are used to being allocated a chore to do each day. Maybe its a family thing - you actually end up doing far less chores at a lodge but are still used to doing them!
     
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  9. Bogong

    Bogong Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Well dmz if that's the case, you really should consider joining a club lodge. It's much cheaper in the long run, most people cook their own dinners and they have a very social and family friendly atmosphere!

    Your description of your preferences and the fact that you don't mind doing a few easy chores means that you would fit perfectly into most club lodges!
     
  10. dmz

    dmz More cheeeese Gromit Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thanks. Doesnt joining a club lodge cost lots of money? Im not sure how it all works. And we are only wanting to go to Falls this year - we'll be back at hotham next year so maybe joining is not an option. I thought anyone can book club lodges? We stay at a club lodge at hotham and we are not members. I guess I dont understand the system...
     
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  11. Bogong

    Bogong Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes dmz it does cost a few thousand to join a club, the amount varies from a couple of thousand for an older slightly run down lodge with shared bathrooms up to $5000+ for a 4 star lodge. (You are effectively buying a 1/200th share in the lodge.)

    BUT you get to stay there really cheap (it's non profit with members doing minor chores rather than paid staff), much cheaper than even non member guests at club owned lodges. There is a real sense of community and you can sell your membership (or pass it on to the kids) when you get too old or lazy or poor to ski. Many ski clubs have reciprocal rights with lodges on other mountains.

    It's just that your description of what you are looking for (self catering, kid friendly, social atmosphere, don't mind doing minor chores, etc) fits in perfectly with the club ethos whereas commercial lodges are moving away from this. Many clubs are having trouble selling the memberships of older members who no longer ski, so if you keep your eye on a few clubs, you may be able to pick up a membership in a nice place fairly cheaply.
     
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    What your looking for is Koki Lodge, rooms with ensuites and self catering kitchen with your own pots, pans and plates etc, its an excellent set up, the lounge and dining area is large and friendly, there is a pool table and in the lodge you have ski hire, a swimming pool, sauna and spa.

    [​IMG]

    You even have free wireless internet for your lap top
     
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  14. dmz

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    Thank you ASB. When I started the thread I thought their might be a FC family like we are a Hotham family (kids about 9 and 12). IOW we can rave about the best family friendly place on Hotham that we've been at for years and I was looking for the same rave on FC from a similar family. But I think I have the options now...thanks
     
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    Its down to Alpha or Viking. Which one is better situated for ski-in, ski-out please? Or any other factors that could help us decide.
     
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    Both located on the same street top of town, I don't know much about them.
     
  17. Bogong

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    Viking is a nice economical place that just scrapes into the 3 star clasification. It is friendly, with good staff, nice but rather basic. I often recommend it to people on a budget. You won't find a nicer 2½ to 3 star place anywhere.

    I think everywhere in Falls Creek is ski-in, ski-out. Both the places you mention defnitely are. Both are fairly close to Falls Express quad which will take you over to the blue and green runs in Sun Valley and they are also an easy ski to the dark blue and black runs serviced by the Inter Poma and Summit quad.

    The whole process strikes me as a bit weird. Everything you specified a month ago equates to a club lodge, but you insisted that you wanted a commercial lodge and not a club. [​IMG]
     
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    as asb said, they are pretty close together. ski in ski out should be similar. alpha is closer to the shuttle stop if you can't ski in/out. ski out from viking would involve a short walk/push at the start if you are going the easy way (down the road). but if there is cover down the back way (which is not for beginners) this is not an issue. in reverse, if ory's trail is not covered, you can ski the back way (off last hoot). Both would involve an easy short , but it would be slightly longer walk to alpha.

    i haven't stayed at viking myself. it has a good reputation. but i think alpha's reputation is better. I certainly enjoyed staying there, and the manager is lovely.
     
  19. dmz

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    I dont know what the difference between a club lodge and commercial lodge is so I could not have insisted on one. All we were after was a lodge where we could cook our own meals. What I have learnt is that there a very few of these around. Thanks for your suggestions though.
     
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    dmz - it sounds like your friends at Hotham are members of a club and sign you in. There are 20+ club lodges at Falls, but, in general, you need to be signed in by a member (or someone who knows someone who knows someone).

    Club lodges are usually run on a not for profit basis by a commitee. The owners of commercial lodges are looking for a return on their investment and time and they pay tax like any other business.
     
  21. dmz

    dmz More cheeeese Gromit Ski Pass: Gold

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    Maybe the place we stay at hotham is in another category. It has members and they receive accommodation discounts. But we can stay there even though we are not members. There was no signing in although the reason we are there is that one of the members is a good friend of ours and we always go the same time as them. From what people have described here, I am unable to go to a club lodge as I know noone at Falls. So I am then assuming that Alpha and Viking are about the only two commercial lodges at Falls where you can cook your own meals. But what I was really looking for is feedback from people with kids about our kids age (9 and 12) who have been at Falls for years and want to spruik why they stay where they stay. Ive always found that interacting with other kids, even if you dont know them, makes for a better experience which is why I prefer lodges over apartments.
     
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    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Alpha is a club, but anyone can stay there, like some at Hotham. Viking is a commercial lodge. I don't think ( could be wrong) there are any other clubs at fc where you can stay without being with a member
     
  23. Apresski

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    There is also Schuss Lodge. I think they are a self catering lodge with ensuite bathrooms. Try http://www.fallscreek.com.au they are listed there.
    I prefer apartments, but I can understand what you mean. My kids always seemed to meet a new 'best friend' at ski school amd bring them back to the apartment after a lesson.
     
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  24. dmz

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    Thanks for that explanation cw. It was most helpful. Just curious Apres - What apartments would you rave about?
     
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    * news flash * Looks like we lucked out on Alpha and Viking. They dont have anything suitable.
    So forget the self catering bit. What other options would people recommend that isnt priced over the top?
     
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    Nelse, FC Hotel, Pretty Valley, Dianna

    last year I made a booking to eat at Nelse during school holidays. I was warned that it could be a bit hectic and I may be happier doing it another time. This was because of the number of families staying there and the way the kids all mucked around together. Looked like everyone was having a great time (so did we, choosing to eat there anyway)
     
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    Thanks again...sorry for being a pain but I think that personal recommendations are always better than going in blind.
    So, the self catering lodges are booked out.
    This leaves lodges that provide food or apartments.
    Ive checked the lodges that provide food and that brings another issue. We are not big eaters. We are really not interested in entree and dessert so when I see lodges offering three course dinners, it appears we will be wasting alot of money on things we dont need. One solution is to eat out every night but that is definitely NOT what we want to do. So it appears we are down to apartments which will allow for self catering but dont have the lodge atmosphere. *sigh* Unless anyone has any other suggestions...
    And also, we would normally pay about $2200 for ensuite accom for a family of four at hotham and about $200 on food but I cant seem to find anywhere on Falls that will give you a week peak period accom and food for $2400. I guess we've been spoilt....
     
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    Try Snowski at the top of the Gully chair in the Bowl. They are reasonably priced and well-managed. Les Chalets are near the Falls Creek Express, I have never stayed there but they are convenient for ski school. If you have no luck with those try http://www.mountainmultiservice.com.au.
     
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    dmz More cheeeese Gromit Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thank you Apres. Snowski does look like the pick of the bunch when it comes to apartments and very reasonable rates.
     
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    Bogong Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    BTW. No one forces you to eat all the food at lodges that include dinner. In fact the only people that do eat everything are 20 year olds with bottomless stomachs and boundless energy. Many people only bother with two of the three courses.

    The nightly three course meal is mostly promoted for marketing purposes and I think most lodges would run out of food if everyone ate everything.

    Go on, you don't have to cook for yourself on holidays, and you really CAN trust others to cook for you. Give your missus a break and allow a qualified chef to do the cooking for a few days.
     
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    Yes but you are paying for it which is the problem.
    We have been cooking for ourselves for many years. It has a wonderful social aspect to it and a good chance to chat with others in the lodge.
    Um and who says the missus does the cooking?
     
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    les chalet is an ideal location. avoid oversnow, next to fc express chair, very close to supermarket, very close to Cock & Bull. the flats are individually owned so not identical, but I can't remember anyone complaining about them.

    I think snowski is more variable in quality. location is great if everyone is intermediate or higher. can be noisy because it's close to pubs.
     
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    Not sure what they are charging this year but maybe it is too upmarket - Attunga has self contained apartments though they sleep 6 people (it does have a pool/spa/sauna, common lounge, restaurant/bar if the need arises). You may have to get another 2 people to come along to break the cost per person down a little) - they also have a couple of family rooms (you may be able to just do a breaky or no-food package).


    Look out for 'white space' packages ie shoulder season or the first week after school holidays when there is occasionally cheaper accomodation on offer.


    I'd also second snowski as a good basic apartment offer.
     
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    Thank you all very much. We already have our dates (13-20 jul) which for some is peak and some shoulder.I hope by the time we make our decision that things are not booked out. Our dates are not in the vic school holidays (although it is for our school) but it is the second week for the nsw school holidays.
     
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    Attunga must be upmarket as it about twice the cost of Les Chalets. But Les chalets is nearly all booked out! I better hurry....
     
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    Les Chalets is close (approx 100 meters) to one of the day car parks. If you want to avoid oversnow then park in the day car park near Falls Express, unload and cart stuff to flat and then remember to move the car to an overnight spot, which resort m'ment staff will guide you to and give you a lift back.
     
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    13-20 July is also the second week of SA School Holidays, and a lot of Adelaideans go to Falls (which is probably why you are encountering the booked out scenario) so, yes, better hurry.
     
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    Nearly all apartments in Snowski have been renovated. I don't think that the Frying Pan is noisy any longer as no-one seems to go there anymore. For the last few years it has been extremely quiet.
    If you don't mind fairly small apartments The Falls Creek Country Club is on the Road at the base of the Gully Chair. It has a bar and a restaurant, swimming pool etc., and the sshuttle stops outside to take you up to The Falls Creek Express.
     
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    not bargain basement price wise but i spent a few nights at attunga in 05 and it was a fantastic place to be!
     
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    Look at http://www.usc.com.au which are on Parrelel Strret. I think a family can join (ie one parent joins and the rest get associate status) for around $1400. It is self cater with small chores but for a tiny $50 pp per night there's rooms of help yourself food like eggs, bacon, jarslberg, pasta, pasta sauces, tinned everything. BYO steak, frozen/fresh veg and vino of course. Members and family get first booking preferences until March or so, and maybe they can help. They have a lodge at Hotham too which means you might not needrely on your friends. There are plenty of kids of all ages, thought that depends on who books the same period as you. The Falls lodge has family apartments too. Oh, no ensuites in the normal bedrooms.
     
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    Its not looking good. Ive rung a number of places and everything that suits us is booked out. The guy at mountainmulti service says he has never seen so many bookings so early before. I have a couple of options left but it doesnt look like we'll get to Falls at this rate. Will have to start trying Buller.
     
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    a lodge I always liked was Halley's. It can get a bit of a party crowd, so I didn't suggest it before. But it is a fun relaxed, not too expensive place. also an excellent position. probably worth a try
     
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    Thanks - I actually have been to Falls twice before in the early 90s (b4 kids) and stayed at Halleys. The mattresses were so lousy back then that you woke up with a sore back. Im sure thats changed by now. Believe me I am trying all sorts of places but theres little left unless you want to pay a mozza (which we dont).
     
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    Halleys is pretty relaxed now days, also the mattresses have been replaced and they have also done some of the bathrooms and are doing more. They are also upgrading the ski rental downstairs.
    and no I dont work there or own the place!
     
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    les chalets is ideally located near the bottom of wombats and is close to the shop and car park

    however, there are LOTS of stairs if you are staying in the very top apartment

    apart from the number of stairs to climb at the end of a long day, it is a fantastic location
     
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    Pity about your lack of success at Falls - hopefully something will work out. if you do decide on Buller you will encounter the same problem with SA School holidays (SA Interschools is on that week) so the earlier you book the better. Good luck with whatever destination you end up at.
     
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    Try http://www.fallscreek.com.au then click onto how to book and try the two central reservation agencies (one is run by the Lift Company and one by the Chamber of Commerce). Good luck, hope you get something. Buller is considerably more expensive than Falls Creek.
     
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    dmz More cheeeese Gromit Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thanks so much Apres...those hints were most helpful. They are scouring the entire mountain as we speak and Ill know by tomorrow if we are heading to Falls or not.
     
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    Mountain Multiservice are always good at finding a place when the mountain is f8illing up, over the School holidays in July the best bet is to book before Christmas, my apartments were full by the end of November for those three weeks.
     
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    dmz More cheeeese Gromit Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thanks ASB. Ive already called Mountain Multiservice and they had nothing left. They also said theyve never seen it booked out so quickly in 17 years