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Shiga Kogen 2019/2020

Discussion in 'Japan' started by Hyst, Oct 13, 2019.

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    Howdy all,
    Just bumping the thread to ask about bus access to Shiga. Staying at Ichinose.

    I have just booked my XP bus from Narita to Hakuba (6 Feb).

    Next is the Hakuba to SK (16/2) and SK to Nagano (21/2).

    So my question is which bus company should I book with?
    (I'll have a full ski bag & luggage).

    And should I split the H-SK trip by changing at Nagano? Will this help me to better access Ichinose?
    (I note Alpico can also take me from H-SK but the service seems to end in Sun Valley, so I might have to then hop onto a local shuttle with all my gear)? Not so good.

    Thanks for any suggestions.

    By the way I'm going to catch the Shikansen from Nagano to Tokyo - I figure I will have had enough of buses by then. ( ;-).
     
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    Don't have to book either. Just turn up. Unless you're going for something like Nagano Shuttle (which costs a lot more).

    Get the early bus to Nagano, store your gear and take a walk to Zenkoji Temple. Have lunch in Nagano and get an afternoon bus to SK.
     
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    I think you'll find the bus schedules posted earlier in this thread.
     
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    We took the bus from Yudanaka, which is halfway up the hill. It’s super easy.
    Bus looks like this:
     
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    Cheers Heinz- yes being a bit lazy!

    Fwiw: my old IPad 2 seems to struggle with loading the English timetables, etc...

    Anyway - looks like quite regular service Nagano - Ichinose (~ hourly +/- in middle of day).

    This should work well. May not both with short(?) train trip to Yudanaka.

    Lots to read /learn eh?
     
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    Much better on the express buses, Hakuba - Nagano then Nagano to Shiga Kogen, since you can store bags and skis in the compartment under the bus.
    If you catch the train to Yudanaka, then the route bus from Yudanaka to Shiga Kogen with gear, you will have to handle all of that in just a regular bus inside.
     
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    Cheers Sandy. I hear you - will do!
     
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    Alpico say limited space on their Natita to Hakuba XP bus. Imagine that's to stop someone taking the P?
     
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    And....go to the department store, adjacent to Nagano station. Head to the food hall. There you will find store after store selling Nozawana Oyaki
    [​IMG]

    A Nagano specialty, these buns are filled with either sweet or savoury fillings. They are steamed, baked or fried.

    I haven't been to Nagano for a few years, but still remember the nirvana I experienced when eating these chewy, doughy buns. I had a warm apple pie version, while standing on the cold platform waiting for my train to arrive. I remember thinking that they were really good for my soul.
     
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    This! They have a tofu, mushrooms and something green(watercress maybe) that I still think of from time to time.
     
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    Ahhh....japow food memories. Almost as good as japow pow memories!
     
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    We are there 18-27 Jan staying at Chalet Shiga. Myself, wife and 2 kids (14 & 19). Starting to get excited! Need to trawl back through the threads to get updates/ideas on places to eat and also advice on ski hire and snowboard lessons for 14yo son (has skied before but this will be his first time on board). Yeeeeew
     
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    Specifically - Tokyu. Go down to the basement.
     
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    Thanks. Couldn't remember the name of the department store. It's been a few years since I've travelled through Nagano.
    Maybe it's time I go back
     
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    cheers.

    I'm looking forward to exploring the mountains with my family of intermediates but I'll also be looking to get a few hours by myself occasionally so just wanted to ask which areas of Shiga (in general) would be the most suitable for a more advanced level skier (me) looking to get some turns on steeper faces. Also are there defined (inbounds) tree skiing areas here like some other resorts and /or what's the best option for finding some decent tree runs? I haven't got a trail map in my hands yet and obviously haven't been to this mountain before so just trying to get an idea where the more challenging & fun terrain is likely to be prior to arriving. Thanks in anticipation. Dave
     
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    I am sure @Sandy or @Heinz or @Lucky Pete or ....... will come back to you - I am a first timer in Shiga.

    ( I tried to have a look around on here:
    https://www.ski.com.au/xf/threads/shiga-kogen.80321/#post )
     
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    View from my hotel is not exactly great yet.

    http://www.shigakogen.gr.jp/live/live04.php

    However will be very differend when we come - lot of snow during the night and blue sky during the day! :clown:

    And now I again can concentrate 100% on gettig wound up for going to Japan.
    Anybody out there feeling the same way?:wave:
     
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    You need to download a trail map, otherwise the places to go will not have so much meaning ;)
    https://www.nagaden-net.co.jp/news/docs/SMR_12-13P(Shiga Kogen).pdf
    Zoom the map.

    You're staying at Chalet Shiga, which is not far off the slopes (but not quite ski in ski out), but there's a couple of black runs not far from there, In the Ichinose Family area (8) off the Ichinose Family Quad chair. (you hotel is about 60-70m from the bottom of that chair)
    There's a few blacks between the two gondolas at Yakebitaiyama (11), and also at Okushigakogen (12), which are next to each other. There's a short black (moguls) off Takamagahara, also blacks off Higashidateyama (14, near the bottom), and a famous one at Giant (4).
    There's a black at Sun Valley (1), but not worth working your way that far across.
    Two of the steepest blacks at Shiga Kogen are at Kumanoyu, and worth a visit (need to take the shuttle, as it's not linked directly). It's a small area, but linked to Yokoteyama & Shibutoge(the highest areas at 2307m). Both are often very quiet midweek, and when there's been powder.

    There not really much tree skiing. Do you want trees because of access to powder, or just because you like trees? Most trees are oob (lift passes taken) and roped off.
    .... Except that there are are a few gated runs off Okushiga.

    Since it's quiet mid week, you don't have to work too hard to find untracked if there's been powder.
     
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    Thanks Sandy, helpful advice as always. I love to get a paper trail map in the hands and get my bearings in the first few days but having a (rough) idea where to start before I get there always helps.

    Trees - yes I do love skiing well spaced tree runs and if theres powder stashes then that's a bonus. I'm hoping and anticipating that in mid-late Jan there should be more than enough powder to keep me amused but just wasnt sure about the tree situation at Shiga, I'll check out the gated runs at Okushiga and will chat to some of the better skiers when I arrive for the hot tips. Thanks again.
     
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    Here's a course map of Shiga Kogen. It's quite good, but older, as it shows some of the now closed small resorts and lifts:

    http://www.skijapan.com/wp-content/uploads/maps/SHIGA KOGEN.pdf

    Closed small resorts like Kidoike, Kasadake, Maeyama, Yamanokami. (mostly at the Yokoteyama end, last one near the top of Ichinose Diamond.)

    Closed lifts:
    3,4,11,14,27,35

    Yakebitaiyama/Okushiga/Ichinose Diamond (top):
    31,38,41,42,43,44,46,54

    Yokoteyama area:
    55,56,57,62,75
     
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    Hi all a question for Sandy.

    A couple of weeks back you mentioned thats its best to get Express Buses fir travelling Hakuba to Nagano and then N to Shiga.

    Do you mind pls advising if Alpico are the best /only way to go? (Already using them from Narita to Hakuba)?

    Unless I’ve missed something, Alpico buses to Shiga seemed to terminate in the gtr Sun Valley area - so I’d probably need a taxi or shuttle bus. Is this correct or did I just misread the Alpico schedule?
    Cheers, TIA.
     
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    No, you use Nagaden Express bus, from Nagano Station to Shiga Kogen
    http://www.nagadenbus.co.jp.e.yv.hp.transer.com/express/winter/shigakogen/

    Stangely, they've translated it into English, so Ichinose = "One Shallow"!!!! But when on the bus, they will say "Ichinose" (i-chi-no-seh).
    For those staying at Diamond Shiga You get off at "Ichinose skiing area" ("One Shallow skiing area")

    ## You need to pick the right departure from Nagano Station.
    e.g.
    08.15 will only get you to Takamaghara (Shiga Mount Takahara)
    08.50 will only get you to the Monkey park
    09.10 would get you to Ichinose. Also 10.20, 11.15, 13.25, 14.15, 17.25, 21.00
     
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    Thank Sandy, appreciated. Happier locking in early with gear rather than turning up & hoping.

    Oh while I’m on a roll Sandy, can I please ask:
    - like buses is it much safer to book my Shikansen from Nagano to Ueno?
    - assuming so, is it safer sending tickets to Aussie (~45 days to go!) or to my accommodation?
    - do you have a favourite travel class (green reserved looks pretty nice - more shoulder room for a large Aus frame? (Gran class a bit OTT!)

    - grab a seat near the door (luggage area - will be main bag only - skis via Black Cat)?
    Thanks as always!!
     
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    - Don't need Green.
    - You could book Shinkansen in advance, but realistically, a daytime seat to Ueno/Tokyo won't be an issue in late Feb. I don't think anybody would send Shinkansen tickets to Australia.
    - Nagaden bus is first come first serve.


    And to reiterate:
    ## You need to pick the right Nagaden Express bus departure from Nagano Station.
    e.g.
    08.15 will only get you to Takamaghara (Shiga Mount Takahara)
    08.50 will only get you to the Monkey park
    09.10 would get you to Ichinose. Also 10.20, 11.15, 13.25, 14.15, 17.25, 21.00
     
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    Thanks Sandy/ Heinz. Will check those times out of Nagano Carefully & avoid taxi last 10 km.

    Yes Heinz, thanks, I checked those a cple+ weeks ago. For some reason I thought the Nagaden bus was the slow, just turn up & pay bus, rather the Xprs’ bus to SK. Possibly just read it poorly. But thanks for new link/advice.

    (Ps: I now have a trip spreadsheet with bus & train as line items - bit geeky but someone else in the forum gave the idea) (;-)

    Fwiw; (Not much excuse, most of my forum reading has been quite late & not a great time to take 100% in! My English teacher would be horrified! Then there’s the punct & grammar!! (/:-/)

    Despite my stupidity here! V grateful for all your advice! You both rock! So do all the contributors here!

    (Beer offer (or 3?) at Shiga still stands - (16-20th Feb?)
     
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    Just so you know, if you take the wrong bus and the bus stops before your stop, you won't find any taxis.... it's not really a taxi sort of place!!! You just take the local shuttle bus, which is free during the day. But it would take 45min.
     
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    Cheers Sandy, I reckon I can live with that.

    The navigation is part of the adventure.
    Club Med with all work done for you would be pretty lame!!
     
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    That has long been my standard approach. Planning is a big part of my trips.
     
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    Hi Sandy
    We are arriving after the last bus at Nagano (the 1725 service - I read somewhere that the 2100 service was only on certain days - is this still correct?). Our plan was to get the train to Yudanaka station then catch a taxi to our accommodation at Aspen Shiga. Is this a viable option? Will there be taxis available from the station?

    One more question - we were told that if we caught the Nagaden bus to go to Shiga Kogan Yamonoeki bus stop but it does not appear on their timetable - do you know if it has another name?
     
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    There is a note on the timetable relating to the 21:00 service.
    ★印=2020年1月10日(金)~3月20日(金)までの毎週金曜日運行
    which Google translate says: Friday every day from Friday, January 10, 2020 to Friday, March 20
    Not totally clear if that means every Friday or every day. @Ramenman
     
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    On that English timetable, Yamonoeki bus stop is at Hasuike, so it would be "Hasuike Open Space".

    I don't know about the taxis.
     
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    毎週金曜日 means every Friday but I need the link. I mean, I don't know the context, so I don't know what the whole timetable actually suggests.

    By the way, I'm willing to translate Japanese into English for you!. Heinz-san has come to Japan to ski so many times, including Tohoku and relatively minor ski resorts. I'm somehow motivated to help and support someone like you:)
     
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    This is the link. https://www.nagadenbus.co.jp/news/657e5fc0c0661f91c228d53c18ce129e2eef507f.pdf
     
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    Thanks all.
    Now I just need to figure out how the Taxis work..
     
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    We’ll have more open by the time we arrive. And I’m pretty sure we’ll have decent falls before first week of Jan.

    We skied they same 5 runs for a week at Falls Creek in early July. Any snow under the planks is better than any day at work.
     
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    Hipess has given royal ascent to cash in brownie points and head to Shiga Kogan.:woohoo:
    Just booked into the Diamond Shiga from 10th Feb through the 21st Feb.
    Lots of reading to do to catch up airports, trains, buses, credit cards, lift tickets, phones etc etc etc...
    Will post tenative plans to check I'm on the right path. Appreciate all the knowledge and advice from you
    Look forward to catching up with Sandy and other skicoma's in the area.
    :)
     
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    Don't know. We've taken the bus from Nagano Station.
    If I was travelling in a group, then organising in advance would be my preference, especially if your travelling during local holiday and or Chinese New Year holiday periods.
    If you have more than 4 people then you'd need the Jumbo Taxi of which they only have 2 available.
     
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    Ok thanks, as we have seven people I'll definitely contact them in advance
     
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    We are getting excited about our trip to Shiga which is now less than a month away. (Pic from our last Japan trip attached).


    As we re there for 9 days we will probably have a rest day and do a day trip down to Nagano & snowmonkeys (which we did last trip). As I havent been to Nagano before just wondering what are the ‘must see’ in Nagano, apart from Zenkoji temple. Is there a specific area of the city that’s worth spending a few hours wandering? Also does anyone know whether the snowmobile tours out of SK are worthwhile or just another tourist trap?? Cheers Dave
     
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