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Question Ski Instructors, need them or not?

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by DPS Driver, Sep 4, 2019.

  1. skifree

    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Have you run a successful business?
     
  2. Onlybackscratchers

    Onlybackscratchers One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Funnily enough I was a Shareholder of the said lift company. Needless to say I wormed my way out of instructing and back on to the tows. $13p/hr x 8 was a lot more attractive than $11.50 x at a max of 4hrs on a good day.
     
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  3. skifree

    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Umm a shareholder is not the same as running a company, better but not the same.
     
  4. Undies

    Undies Pizza! Ski Pass: Gold

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    I should add that my favourite part of the course was the section on Communication, where we explored all the different ways of explaining to people that we’re qualified ski instructors. Such as posting on a public forum.

    They gave us a t-shirt too, but it’s faded from so many days at the beach.
     
  5. _Yossarian_

    _Yossarian_ First Runs Ski Pass: Gold

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    Based on this thread, I foresee a burgeoning market for 'guerilla' instructors at the major resorts.
     
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  6. cold wombat

    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Social Media Mod Ski Pass: Gold

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    Right up until their lift passes get pulled.
     
  7. climberman

    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

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    I only need them when I want ski lessons.
     
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  8. climberman

    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

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    The whole of Flying High is instructional!
     
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  9. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    you forgot the best bit
    having to drive up the mountain and line up hoping for work, get nothing, come back after lunch, get nothing, drive home with no $ to show for it. They got rid of this system on the wharves ~75 years ago.

    I believe that these days there is a small amount for turning up.
     
  10. Onlybackscratchers

    Onlybackscratchers One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I suppose the point I'm trying to make is that I don't think the average OZ instructor is overpaid. It would be nice to have lessons as cheap as possible for beginners and low intermediates on the basis of safety alone. Is there a future world where you will need a license before you are allowed off the bunny slopes, like Go-Kart centres often do before your allowed on the main track.
     
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  11. skifree

    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Woefully under paid is the case alas for ski instructors.
     
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  12. Harper11

    Harper11 Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    They’re a menace on the slopes
     
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  13. gareth_oau

    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thanks Doonks
     
  14. gareth_oau

    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Id definitely have more lessons, both ski and board, if they were cheaper
     
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  15. kylep

    kylep One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ive had 2 snowboarding lessons and 1 skiing lesson in my life.
    I get around the mountain ok, but would probably be a lot better if I burned money on lessons.
    Maybe the next revolution is creating the lesson version of the epic pass? Hold my beer...
     
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    kylep One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Jealous of our hover boards?
     
  17. Harper11

    Harper11 Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ski max or someone similar used to do a gold pass in nzski resorts for lifts, lessons all included which was good value
     
  18. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'm reminded of a bloke I had a few runs with. There was obviously something very odd going on, but it took a couple of runs for me to work out that in whatever direction he was turning his weight was always on the same foot. His left turns were fine. His right turns were dire. He "didn't need lessons". Yes he did.

    An extreme example, but a real example.
     
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  19. Untele-whippet

    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

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    I don’t alpine and I don’t tele.
    Untele instructors are as rare as rocking horse poo.
    I’m doomed.
     
  20. skifree

    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    No, just untrained and untrainable.
     
  21. Untele-whippet

    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

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    I prefer vans not trains.
     
  22. shabu_shabu

    shabu_shabu One of Us

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    So what do you actually do? Personally, I sit at the Bistro Bar from 4 to 6 for my ski trips.
     
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  23. Seth

    Seth Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Always got a good laugh seeing a couple having a massive barney on the run when someone isn’t happy with the terrain selection.
     
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  24. cold wombat

    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Social Media Mod Ski Pass: Gold

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    Been on the wrong end of that. Not fun!
     
  25. skifree

    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    I’m sure i said that.
     
  26. Roymond

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    Maybe he was following the zoolander ski technique?
     
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  27. Untele-whippet

    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

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    “Ah ha, yes I see it now” said the unsighted person as he took up the hammer and saw....
     
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  28. DPS Driver

    DPS Driver One of Us

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    Here you go, who needs instructors now. Except for a drinking buddy.
     
  29. iagreewithhim

    iagreewithhim One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Unsighted? Oh, you mean blind.
     
  30. Untele-whippet

    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

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    Curtain to you.
     
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  31. luvthabumps

    luvthabumps A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I was pretty lucky - when I started skiing (18), I had a mate through whitewater paddling who was a gun freestyle skier at Buller and taught me the basics (Jamie Sutcliffe) and then met (and eventually married) another pretty gun freestyler and so I spent most of my formative skiing years hanging out with and closely watching Team Buller skiers in the early 90's.

    In (circa) 2007 I went to Silverstar for 3 weeks with a breakaway group from Mt Buller RC run by LD ( aka Hot Dog - if you know, you know) and I spent a week with one of the highest qualified instructors in Canada. I can't remember his name , but I'm sure someone will here will work it out, and the subtle changes that he made to the way I was skiing made the most significant impact ever on my skiing. Whatever the cost it was well worth it.
     
  32. expatgm

    expatgm Addicted Ski Pass: Silver

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    Hey Guys and Girls back off a bit what about all those primary school kids learning to ski.
    Here in Queenstown it's part of the curriculum. With ski instructors.
     
  33. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    It’s a love job.

    Ha ha ha
    Sticks out like dogs balls.

    I got a few funny looks a couple of weekends ago as I was coaching my friends. Pretty clear if you watched for a while it was a group of mates and not a “private hire” but if you were doing a private hire it wouldn’t be long before someone picked it and you got a tap on the shoulder.
     
  34. parkmonkey

    parkmonkey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Surfing progression is tough, you can't demo something then have the student try it, you also can't manipulate what they are doing. Surfing is more about learning the ocean, standing up is the easy bit. You could take a 2hr private lesson surfing and not get a wave
     
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    parkmonkey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    There would be many more good instructors if people in the industry didn't get treated so shit, everyone is disposable
     
  36. nezumi

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    Going to Perisher this year, adding 5 days of lessons at Blue Cow to my 5 day lift pass was a whole $37, making it a no brainer - it would be much better if I had the same instructor each day for consistency and development, but it was still beneficial.

    That being said, I am looking to grab an Epic Pass for next year, but the tradeoff on the lessons means that I won't be paying the premium to take them next year.
     
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  37. gareth_oau

    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    that's an amazing deal
     
  38. DPS Driver

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    Too funny. I started this thread as a p!ss take and it's grown legs.

    Ski instructors are intricately woven into the fabric of the skiing experience. They are integral to the growth of the sport and the initial introduction to the sport. No youtube video or latest app will ever replace them.

    Good instructors make more than shite instructors so earnings do differ depending on your ability to teach and ensure your students have a great time. Yeah! they could do with earning some more dollars but what a life. Provided you don't mind sharing a single bedroom with 5 other instructors.
     
  39. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    So long as they are Italian, here, in this light......
     
  40. TOFF

    TOFF Im kind of a big deal Ski Pass: Gold

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    Neanderthal knuckle dragging log riders :p
     
  41. Hermannator

    Hermannator One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Yep - need instructors.They see what you (the student) don't.

    Re instructor pay - in case you had any doubt...
    The cost of becoming an instructor is definitely a barrier at the above rates, however it is much cheaper than overseas where you can pay EUR3,000 to become certified

    It may seem like the resort is making huge margin (they still might be I'm not sure) off the instructor but they (or their insurer) are shit-scared of exposure to student/staff OH&S liability. Like any other walk of life, the nanny-state is costing all of us (think traffic control)...

    Cause not helped by resorts blocking rival/additional ski schools (everywhere else in the world major resorts have several independent ski schools)
     
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  42. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    Except the US and Canada.
     
  43. southpaw

    southpaw One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    It’s is. I had 3 days of group lessons on my recent week at Perisher and I just checked what I paid - $162 - just over 50 dollars per lesson. I had the same very good instructor each day and the lessons were progressive so she didn’t start from scratch. looking at that now I am stunned at how cheap it was ( the low cost was initially lost in the fog of the cost of a week at the snow). I did buy in advance and have an EPIC pass so that may have helped. I’ve got to say the cost differential between that and a private lesson is huge.
     
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    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Social Media Mod Ski Pass: Gold

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    Personally, I like group lessons. They move slower, but I don't mind so long as the group isn't too big and it is well matched. I get something out of watching others also trying to do what the instructor is saying, and listening to their feedback on what I saw.
     
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    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    I dislike group lessons, because you have to be exactly average to fit and you spend a lot of time standing around waiting for those members before or after you
     
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    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Social Media Mod Ski Pass: Gold

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    Disagree. Group of 4, maybe 5 max, all well matched can be a very productive learning experience. And good fun as you progress through challenges together!
     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I like group lessons, because if you ski down first, you can bag the shit out of everyone after.
     
  48. gareth_oau

    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Unfortunately Ive been in mid levels groups where you spend the first half hour demonstrating you dont need to stay on Friday Flat, and they then split the group into 2 because people invariably think they are better than they are.

    You get a better fit group eventually but wate half your lesson in the meantime
     
  50. cold wombat

    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Social Media Mod Ski Pass: Gold

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    Well, yes, a poorly matched group is a bit of a woftam.