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Question Ski Instructors, need them or not?

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by DPS Driver, Sep 4, 2019.

  1. cold wombat

    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Social Media Mod Ski Pass: Gold

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    I normally do 5 days of lessons at a time, so am prepared to take a bit of a hit in the first lesson while the instructor(s) work out where everyone is at. By day 3 things are really humming along and that's when it usually picks up a gear or two and you really start getting stretched.
     
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    southpaw One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Ah there’s your problem right there!:D
     
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    southpaw One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Yep exactly!
     
  4. DPS Driver

    DPS Driver One of Us

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    The last lesson I had was in NZ in 1987 and it was more a three day belt around the mountain with an instructor deal. Can't recall if he actually did pass on any instruction, probably did.
     
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    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Unless it’s a women’s group who will invariably think they aren’t as good as they are ;)
     
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    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    My last lessons were as part of the APSI L2 course, which I didn’t complete. Real job got in the way. Have booked a 4 day program at Whistler, which I’m really looked forward to.

    Oh did have a group xc lesson this season and have a private booked for Saturday. Trying to progress past rank beginner.
     
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    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    I was at Snowbasin during a big powder cycle, CG couldn’t ski and I didn’t feel like skiing alone so I bought an afternoon group lesson. There were 2 of us at the lineup, and out waddled an instructor with his shiny bronze leve 1 PSIA pin. He asked us out level and what we wanted to do. Other candidate said he was intermediate and wanted to work on his parallels. I said I was a DECL (PSIA for examiner) and wanted ski pow. He waddled back inside and grabbed their head trainer. We ripped around the mountain all arvo, all fresh, I tried to tip him at the end and he wouldn’t accept it!
     
  8. Hermannator

    Hermannator One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    That's probably right. Is it true for all resorts in USA/CAN?
     
  9. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Good point.

    Also begs the question is it better in the long game to learn slowly cautiously and consistently - more girl style.
    Or just bomb it and see...
     
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    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    you win
     
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  11. DPS Driver

    DPS Driver One of Us

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    Tut, tut, tut tut, shoulda worked on those parallels.;)
     
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  12. cold wombat

    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Social Media Mod Ski Pass: Gold

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    If you don't crash and burn, you haven't gone hard enough. But then you've already proved that, haven't you? Regularly too.

    ;)
     
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  13. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Oi!
    I rather downplay my yard sale moments and resulting owwwwies, thanks very much :p
     
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  14. cold wombat

    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Social Media Mod Ski Pass: Gold

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    I seem to recall your previous avatar.
     
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    Harper11 Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    It’s nice in the US when you pay the exorbitant lesson price plus tax and currency conversion, enough to buy a small condo, and they want a tip on top!
     
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    crackson A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Be good to your mother.
     
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    One of my intermediate lessons at Perisher, we were doing powder laps of Excelerator.

    On another one, we had one person in the group who could barely go from falling leaf to a single turn, let alone linked turns.

    Consistency of instructors and a quick assessment of abilities needs to happen for group lessons. If people want to stay with their friends, have the more competent ones move down a group, don't bring the inexperienced into the higher group.
     
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  18. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Oh for sure
    I’ve tagged along on friends private lessons and played photographer/videographer when I didn’t want to go alone. Those instructors haven’t minded at all. But I’m mindful not to be a pain in their side too.
     
  19. iagreewithhim

    iagreewithhim One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    That's what I tell my kids. Frequently.
     
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  20. Born2skii

    Born2skii One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    You need instructors in the early years to teach you what to do and then video of yourself skiing as you progress. I've had so many "Aha" moments after watching myself ski on video.
     
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    luvthabumps A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    A p!ss take thread that grew legs on ski.com.au....... who would have thought?

     
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  22. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    If there’s one thing we all have... it’s strong legs LOL
     
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    iagreewithhim One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Absolutely agree on the video. My trouble is finding someone to video me!
     
  24. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    What...they can’t keep up ;)
     
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    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    A lot of Euro countries don't have instructor levels. You're either an instructor (all levels) or your not (no levels). Most full certs here would spend a similar amount on courses and exams by the time they attain all of their levels
     
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  26. Lady Penelope

    Lady Penelope One of some lot ... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Shame on you :nono: :p
     
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    kylep One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Where would this forum be without all the current and past instructors?? Like moths to a flame
     
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  28. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Funny thing, people that study and practice, have half an idea what they are talking about!
     
  29. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    But don't panic, in these modern times, anything can be refuted using the power of the internet!
     
  30. skifree

    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    No it can’t.
     
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  31. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Oh yes it can!
     
  32. Harper11

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    They don’t mind a nauseating humble brag either
     
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    MarzNC One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I learn so much from observing how an instructor teaches someone else that I started talking my ski buddies into joining me for semi-private lessons when we were at MCP destination resorts. Have done a few 1-1 privates, but much prefer doing a longer lesson with at least one friend. Both men hadn't had lessons as advanced adult skiers but were getting old enough to think it might be useful. Perhaps because they knew how my technique had improved after a few years that included lessons. The first time we were at Jackson Hole where a private lesson is the same price for 1-5 students.

    Didn't start taking lessons regularly until after I was skiing often enough, which was after age 55. Helped a lot to learn how to get recommendations by name for instructors (PSIA Level 3) with 20+ years of experience teaching. Had I known what I know now, I would've started taking lessons myself when I put my daughter in ski school at our home hill. I was an intermediate sticking to groomers at big mountains back then.

    The best deal for group lessons for any ability level is at Taos Ski Valley. A Taos Ski Week is under US$400 including tip for six consecutive group lessons, 2 hours in the mornings, with the same instructor, max 7 students. People can change groups after the first day to make sure they are in the best fit in terms of ability and interest. Fair to say that the instructors want all their students to end up happy, even if that means moving someone to another group that's the same level but with a different instructor. Happens every week of the season (mid-Dec thru March), no reservation required. There are plenty of advanced/expert skiers who go for an annual Ski Week for 10 or even 20 years. A Ski Week makes it worth the extra travel effort required to get to TSV. I'm about to go for the fourth season in a row, as are my friends who went with me for our first trip in 2017.
     
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  34. skifree

    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    No it can’t, unpossible.

    How many times do we do this back & forth before we have to start calling each other boofheads & idjits? And then get banned for a week, I forget.
     
  35. MarzNC

    MarzNC One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    In the USA, the resort's ski school is that only source for ski instruction. Holds for the major destination resorts that charge high prices and for the small local hills that are mostly teaching kids in the afternoons or weekends. Beginner packages can be found without much effort. In recent years, there are more packages that require 3-5 lessons with a major perk for completion such as a free pair of skis or a season pass. That's in recognition that one lesson for a never-ever isn't really enough to get enough skills ingrained to get over the hump that makes skiing fun, as opposed to a chore that requires figuring out how to get up after a fall multiple times during one run down a beginner slope.
     
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  36. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    If enough people believe in a thing, it becomes another reality. Virtual evidence may be enough to start physical war.

    Skiing can be taught online. In fact, I am totally self taught, just off this one forum.
     
  37. skifree

    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    A) I suspect extremely likely.

    B) it’s good to know this forum is doing good in the real world, we’ve saved you a zillion dollars in ski school costs.
     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I already work two jobs, just to pay the subscription!
     
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    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Well someone has to keep the country running while the rest of us ski & post. So thanks for that.
     
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    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Do you need a holiday?
     
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    Yes Neo
     
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  42. maurice101

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    I asked a level one instructor at Selywn what he was earning and it was $20 a hour. The level 3 I had for my $160 private lesson was $35 a hour. He said he was sharing a cabin with another instructor and the nearest pub was a 10 minute drive. He said he really missed staying close to the snow and the night life. On an other note. The resort was using overseas backpackers for lifties. I was on the chair and a lady on the chair in front of me had her tips down and fell off the chair right in front of my drop off zone. The lifty did not turn off the chair until later and I had to ski right over her. Fortunately she was not hurt.
     
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    That’s interesting, as the minimum wage for casual employees like instructors should be about $25 an hour.

    If true, then naughty naughty, Selwyn.
     
  44. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    How much would a PMTS instructor make, provided that he was always available ?
     
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    Well the only PMTS instructor I could find here is in NZ. Charges $200 a hour for 90 minutes. That's direct to him and I do not know what deal he has were he works. He is part time.
     
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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    It becomes very confusing when Australian standard feet first courses use incorrect titling.
    True wedeln is an important step on the way to Harb Counteracting.
    And Snowplough Wedeln is an important step on the way to Wedeln.
    Leaning into the turn and powering it from an uphill forward arm movement.
    NOT LIKE THIS !
     
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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Not funny, some are, and I when I see them coming, it is all worthwhile...
    Who would seek out the PTMS instructor featured earlier except for something other than skiing ? Presentation and style is number one. But I digress.
    Wedlen. What's in a name ?
    My greatest fear is the dilution of our Wholebody style into a poor compromise.
    Wedlen involves ACTIVE upper body, not the static and imperceptible "upper body separation" illustrated.
    It could be renamed "Stem turn 101".
    Tomorrow's exercise will be Powder Wedlen. Inner arm anticipation. No, it does not delay the turn. Quite the opposite.

    Of course, no edges are involved. Why does he not mention the all important arm movement ?
    A hole in his bucket..
     
  48. Chaeron

    Chaeron One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Had the privilege of watching APSI level 4 candidates at Falls doing their exam runs on Sunday - their elegance and prowess puts beyond all doubt the value of ski instruction.

    Those skiing well on the hill - 95% have been trained.

    Scenario 1: you train systematically and are able to replicate a set number of drills and someone has repeatedly looked critically at your skiing and given you feedback on how to improve. You also ski a lot and develop an organic sense of dynamic movement.

    Scenario 2: you don’t learn within a system, it’s hit and miss, you entrench your errors and spend a huge amount of time undoing bad habits and avoidable mistakes, with a very low probability of success. If you’re athletic, persistent and smart you might get lucky.

    Go figure...
     
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    Parallel turns, Upper- lower body separation, getting in the front seat, edging and driving the ski vs. park and ride - VERY difficult to get there without coaching....
     
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    Thank you!

    But in all seriousness there is a lot of this. I mentioned to +1 as I bluffed my way through skiing this year that I was able to muscle things around a little bit. I definitely accelerated technically after the 1 group lesson last trip, and my plan is to have a private for best ROI. Understably there is a gap for people who are transitioning between slide modes and pick it up quickly. It’s a small market and groups are built for being on the conservative side
     
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