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Ski pole routes

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by Interruptedbyfireworks, Jun 2, 2020.

  1. Snow Blowey

    Snow Blowey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Can only comment on the massive cluster of folk i came across at Michelle Hut a few years back. Sort of defeats the point of getting out there if you end up clustered around a building.

    Add to that the location of ALbina in the lake catchment. Would be poo central.

    Keep it uncivilised and the numbers regulate themselves and the experience remains.
     
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  2. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    to be fair, Albina was much more easily accessible than Cleve Cole
     
  3. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    This is my thinking too.

    But harder to access in Summer for replenishment & repairs & waste removal. The final clean up was by helicopter. Albina was also smack in a water catchment, anything out of Albina went into the shallow lake.

    Cleve Cole is discrete, just in the treeline, in a slightly better position to minimise impact into the water catchment. And has managed to stay apparently well run & maintained without too much input from Parks.
     
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  4. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    speaking of Albina Hut
    it's 70 years since the foundation of the Ski Tourers Association. Albina was their 1st lodge, opening in 1951.
     
  5. Legs Akimbo

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    I visited the Albina ruins a couple of times in the mid 80s (maybe late 70s), before it was removed. I was impressed by the porcelain loos. Civilisation in the middle of the wilderness. I suspect unprocessed crap went straight into the lake.
     
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  6. Untele-whippet

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    I spent many a night in the late 70s and 80s at Albina.
    What a great place in a fantastic setting.
    That was back in the days when not many people BC’d and the internet, GPS’s and the hashtag hadn’t been invented.
    2 experiences are burnt into my memory.
    A party from Charlotte Pass with day packs, who leisurely arrived via the Seaman’s snow pole line one blue bird day lunchtime with champagne for a chicken / roast veggie luncheon.
    2 hours later after their liquid lunch the blue bird was zero visibility, whiteout, pea soup and they had no map or compass.
    They had a cold and miserable night before luckily the weather cleared and they could retreat via the snow poles to the Chalet Bar at CP.
    Another time, trapped in a full on uber MR blizzard for 3 days, the year NPWS had announced Albina was to be removed.
    Every hut bound skier, probably about 8-10 people agreed it was the right decision to remove the Hut as BC popularity was increasing and Albina was getting abused by underprepared novices drawn to it via the snow poles like moths to a flame and the added burden on the septic was causing poo pollution of the lake.
    As I’ve said before, my continuous snow pole line in these modern times of electricity, automobiles and tech bindings, is my GPS.
    If only we all carried Avi Airbags and employed BC Guides to make us bulletproof but still so amazingly adventurous.
     
  7. legend

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    In the '70s Albina saw around 70-80 people staying there on a Queens birthday w/e. Lots of people on and under the tables, floor, the workshop, etc. It had around 7,000 visitors a year during this time (gas lights and stove, running hot and cold water, full workshop and indoor loo). My last stay there had around 20 people with severe gastro. The army helicopter was called in to evac the patients. The spring above the hut was infected (people going outside and going for a crap above the hut when the loo couldn't cope with the numbers). All effluent was flowing across the grass into the lake (spring and summer). There was also a huge pile of rotting rubbish above the hut - would have been around a full skip's worth.
    It was this situation that parks decided no longer to fly in the gas. Parks trialed the 'no gas' for a year to see what the numbers were and also monitored the effluent flowing into the lake. Numbers decreased a lot, but the lake and creeks were all severely contaminated. The hut was closed but an emergency refuge was placed under it (the workshop) for two years. It was then demolished. It was around this time when there was a blanket ban on camping in all the glacial lake catchments, as all were contaminated.
     
  8. zapruda

    zapruda One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    The old Perisher to Dainers gap ski route is lovely during the summer. It more or less follows the alignment of the old Kosciusko road, you can see some of the old wheel ruts occasionally. Lots of historical relics along the way. They even left some poles laying around for anyone that wants to give the route a touch up.

     
  9. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    That's the route I lamented.
     
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  10. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Albina, I remember the cat skiers from Thredbo having lunch there.

    Pole story, Poo line, every pole out from the hut had a poo at it, all being revealed in the spring melt.
     
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  11. Interruptedbyfireworks

    Interruptedbyfireworks One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Grossssssss.


    I haven't seen much of KNP in summer, I hope to see some of these trails this green season
     
  12. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    Both tracks suffered really badly from erosion. The Yellow Brick road from livestock and the Thredbo Kosci Walk from people walking. The yellow brick road is less than ideal but the raised walkway is the best trail option for that environment. It stops erosion, people are less likely to leave a raised walkway and there is no boundary zone for invasive weeds. But yea, neither are pretty.
     
  13. kylep

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    Wait, I think over time I've ended up in my mind thinking of T-K walkway as the yellow brick road. Have I confused that?
     
  14. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    The pole line from Thredbo to seamans caused really bad erosion due to summer walkers and was removed. The ski touring pole lines are in a part of the park which isn't used much by walkers so haven't caused much more than a network of footpads.
     
  15. Legs Akimbo

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    If you walk the metal walkway and occasionally look down you can see bits of the old eroded track.
     
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  16. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    i think of the YBR as the paved path from Charlotte Pass out to the lakes and beyond
     
  17. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    The Yellow Brick Road is from CP to Blue Lake Lookout.
     
  18. kylep

    kylep Cage rattler Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ta. Then from there around to Rawsons/MtK junction is essentially just trail with some of the plastic waffle, and CP-MtK is the old road/4wd track right? It's been too long
     
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  19. Interruptedbyfireworks

    Interruptedbyfireworks One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    ...there was a road to Mt K?!

    I really need to get out more
     
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  20. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    not sure when they closed it but i think you could still drive almost to the top in the 70s
     
  21. kylep

    kylep Cage rattler Ski Pass: Gold

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    If you search, you'll find that in the not too distant past, folk would drive all the way up there in their Holden sedans

    There's also the remnants of fences up there around the junction of the AAWT and Main Range loop above Blue Lake
     
  22. zapruda

    zapruda One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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  23. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    A weather station at the Top of Kosci
     
  24. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ours was one of those square Renaults. Took the grandparents up there, I was very young, must have been around 70-71.
     
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  25. ecowain

    ecowain One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    There still is. In December when we were there, someone left the gate open by accident, and there was a camper van enjoying the view at rawson pass. Oops.
     
  26. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Score!
     
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  27. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    Last summer was a disaster for the KNP esp. in the northern section of the park. The bushfires did a lot of damage.Hopefully the greater area north of the Main Range can be reopened for bushwalking ,camping and mountain biking.
     
  28. zapruda

    zapruda One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Lots of sections north of the Main Range are currently open.
     
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    Myazma One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Metal work between Curruthers and Lee
     
  30. Legs Akimbo

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    It's a while since I have done the Lakes Walk. That was a section that really needed some TLC.
     
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  31. Interruptedbyfireworks

    Interruptedbyfireworks One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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  32. Interruptedbyfireworks

    Interruptedbyfireworks One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Reading that, it makes sense to me why Albina Lodge was removed, but it still makes me sad that I never got to see it. Or the others, like the Mt Franklin chalet and all the huts that were lost this summer.

    I’d like to see that Illawong lodge someday, it sounds quite historic to still be standing
     
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  33. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Pretty easy to get to from Guthega, more fun from Perisher.

    I’ll try and remember to scribble on a map for you.
     
  34. Interruptedbyfireworks

    Interruptedbyfireworks One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    That would be awesome, thank you
     
  35. Telemark Phat

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    The foundations of both lodges are still there.
     
  36. Bogong

    Bogong Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    In Victoria there is this modest structure on the edge of the Bogong High Plains, a couple of km from the nearest road. The Rover Chalet even has its own ski lift.

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    Then there's Cleve Cole Hut on Mt Bogong, the perfect remote, club owned, ski hut / small lodge and I've never met a person who didn't love it.
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    So up your way Albina, Kunama and Mt Franklin may be gone, but we still have a few similar structures in Victoria
     
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  37. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    Yes VIC. has some fabulous BC ski huts. Some are relatively hard to get to which is good.
    Some very groovy old huts in the KNP were burnt to the ground by the bushfires in January 2020. Round Mtn. hut is now charcoal. It is a shame because it had some character.
     
  38. mholling

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    Only a handful really, and *so* many still standing strong. Turn them into a tick list, it's a great way to get to know every little corner of the park as you tick them off over the years.
     
  39. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    The Bogong High Plains are well decked out for ski touring because the next hut is usually about 3-4-5-6 kms away .The OP being a snow boarder may have to take up BC XC skiing or multi night bushwalking to enjoy this special region of the Australian Alps. Plus The region has a good network of SNOW POLES.
     
  40. Interruptedbyfireworks

    Interruptedbyfireworks One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    You're right of course, I don't like bucket lists usually but I would like to try to see all the different huts (and ruins of huts) around
     
  41. Interruptedbyfireworks

    Interruptedbyfireworks One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    So does anyone still race to see if they can get a Golden Eagle?
     
  42. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    The run is easily accessed from Charlotte Pass, but without some course preparation and a bucket crew, I would be inclined to all a few turns on the way down. And one that I intend ticking off this year.
     
  43. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    The cliff bits skiers right are more interesting, though I did enjoy the steep top after the little drop in. The OZ speed record still stands from there.
     
  44. Ubiquitous Steve

    Ubiquitous Steve Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    But KNP still has a massive poo problem and your not safe to drink untreated water around the glacial lakes walk......so letting folk disperse has not actually been a success either !The shit at Michelle stays out of the water courses...and likewise Federation and Bivouc Hut.
     
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    Ubiquitous Steve Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Snow Poles strike fear into some of the NSW and Canberra Dudes....but they just make travelling on really bad days a chore rather than a suicide mission.Bad days you ain’t got time to play with GPS’s ,compasses and maps.As Bogong says the snow poles are virtually invisible at a decent distance so they don’t detract from the scenery..parties of multiple skiers can follow along following a route safely....so you don’t need to bunch up with the leaders.Travel is efficient and safe under extreme situations where visibility is minimal.
     
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    Most people that I’ve spoken to in KNP regarding pole lines are generally asking where they are as they are lost from following them.
    When shit gets real on the Main range you’d be lucky to find the next one anyway. Compass bearing or GPS for the win.
     
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  47. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    The Main range is best avoided altogether if bad weather is looming. Being caught on the Main Range in dreadful weather is not something I wish to repeat .
     
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    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    This is true but in good weather on the BHP you can take short cuts that do not follow the pole lines and travel as the crow flies esp. in early September on BC XC skis.
     
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    Or learn to navigate so you don’t need poles.
    Waiting for good weather on the Main range? A luxury that isn’t always an option.
     
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    Ubiquitous Steve Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes...Bogong Highplains is a bit like Melbourne Botanic Gardens after you get to know the layout.In other words your as safe as houses up there once you know the layout of poles,peaks,huts and possible entrance and exit points!
     
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