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Skier suing skier - do we need this?

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by Annabuzzy, Sep 1, 2019.

  1. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    There is no doubt in that example, that the uphill rider was totally to blame.

    Kids get bored, and want to do other runs, and what @chicski said.
     
  2. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    But first chairs are not for the fainthearted, and certainly not beginners. I would hate to see that change. Give us at least two runs please.
     
  3. TOFF

    TOFF Im kind of a big deal Ski Pass: Gold

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    Surely you are joking?
    You are saying can't take kids on certain areas of the mountain as their might be hoons there.
     
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  4. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Dont we waive all our internationally known human rights, when we enter a resort in Australia anyway? Hasn't anyone else read the fine print when they bought their pass?
     
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  5. zac150

    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    The village trail crosses onto the super trail twice,

    But to say the kid is at Friday flat level is a stretch given they have to be able to ski village to go up to level 4. Also a stretch to assess the kids ability based on a 20 second video. Kids often drop into snow plow accidentally and if spooked.

    I hate people being on runs they shouldn’t but I think your assessment of this case is a little unfair
     
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    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Person overtaking would have been in the wrong had there been an impact.
     
  7. chrisj

    chrisj One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    You are entitled to take kids wherever you like, but that is little consolation if they end up with a fractured spine.
     
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  8. TOFF

    TOFF Im kind of a big deal Ski Pass: Gold

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    You are right, no consolation if a child has a fractured spine but if fractured spine is caused by someone hitting them from behind, their will be severe consequences for the person responsible whether you think they should be on the run or not and no matter how 'entitled' you feel.
     
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  9. MickM

    MickM One of Us Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    I have seen beginners on Federation at Buller. Instructors take beginner groups on blue runs all the time. It is not hard to avoid them.

    Last week saw many "good" skiers fanging down Bourke St at Buller. Just dumb IMO. Too many near misses. There are barriers in place which helps a lot, but not foolproof.

    Total cop out to put any blame whatsoever on the parents. Kid was in control being careful, should not have expected any contact. Uphill skier/boarder totally to blame here.

    I always slow down when beginners, kids around. Also look out for boarders "blind spot" and go wide.
     
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    teckel Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    I can't see how that's even vaguely relevant. This IS a black and white case. The rider was 100% to blame. The kid didn't even turn in front of him, but was following a consistent line at a consistent speed for some time up and until the collision. The rider made no attempt whatsoever to avoid the kid on a wide and groomed run.
     
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  11. crackson

    crackson A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    It's a sue'er skier sewerfest.
     
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  12. Annabuzzy

    Annabuzzy Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Aside from out and out out of control skiers or boarders, the next major risk in my humble opinion is caused by big differences in the speed of those on a run.

    So sure there’s nothing against any rule saying you shouldn’t take a beginner taking big, slow, loopy side to side turns down a blue run where people typically move at great speed, or even a black run. And if someone collided with said slow beginner from behind, they’re at fault. But going down that run was probably a questionable decision in the first place, mainly because of the speed disparity. But also noting the unreliable skill level of half the people on those runs.

    the video posted, distressing as it is, showed a low intermediate or maybe even beginner snowboarder clearly out of control and, from what I could see, not capable of reliably turning. I think we’ve all been taken out by such a person at least once in our ski life. I certainly have.
     
  13. crackson

    crackson A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    What video?
     
  14. Annabuzzy

    Annabuzzy Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    ChrisJ posted it. Bottom of page 1? Top of page 2?
     
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  15. Annabuzzy

    Annabuzzy Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Just to quote myself, I would never have taken my own daughter down that run when she skied that level. No way. And when I do take her down busy intermediate runs, I try to keep the turn shape reasonably tight, and definitely predictable. AND I’m looking over my shoulder half the time.

    All of this has nothing to do with who is “at fault”.
     
  16. skull

    skull One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    F off, the person out of control coming down the mountain is at FF level. The kid is fine
     
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  17. kiter

    kiter One of Us

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    Filming their kid skiing . Probably didn’t realise the oxygen theifs of this world treat it like a gs course and believe “ don’t come on this track if your not a hell raiser “. Also part of the supwrtrail is a green run btw , and they have every right to be there and filming their kid
     
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  18. chrisj

    chrisj One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    He looks far from fine to me. More like lucky to be alive.
    Women should be able to walk alone through inner city parks at night too, but that doesn't stop them getting murdered.
     
  19. zac150

    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    That section of the super trail is green, it’s the section opposite Kareela just before the village trail turns off to the left of screen. The family could easily have been doing loops of the village trail we don’t know.

    The young skier whilst hard to judge on the short video does appear to be trying to keep his / her skis parallel but reverting to snow plow. I would guess a level 5 or near enough to it.

    Level 4 skiers are taken on the village trail.

    The only reason I wouldn’t have taken that child on that run would be the fact they are clearly tentative so having fast skiers around would not have helped this or their confidence.

    But maybe the parents didn’t know Thredbo and didn’t know areas to go and play.

    And yes I happily skied my 7 year old down highnoon, supertrail Waimea michaels, Karella cross and little beauty yesterday.

    FWIW, supertrail and highnoon have nothing on front valley or goats gully, I chatted to a Perisher employee today whilst a gate judge and he wasn’t to positive about front valley!
     
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  20. chrisj

    chrisj One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    And they have every right to take their kid swimming in shark infested waters too. Doesn't make them responsible parents.
     
  21. kiter

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    Hmm most
    . Enjoy Thredbo with all the other maniac f..ktards . you win . Bye
     
  22. Annabuzzy

    Annabuzzy Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    It looks to me like it’s below and skiers right of Kareela. Where they run a lot of FIS races. I can’t remember the name of it

    Not that it makes a lot of difference.
     
  23. skull

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    I mean fine to be skiing on that green run.

    Not fine due to your victim blaming and the douche out of control boarder.
     
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  24. zac150

    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Or let them walk from the car park to the ski fields where they could easily be hit by a car! How irresponsible of them!

    If anything, the only thing I would do differently is ski behind my child if they are slower than the masses but only as I’m easier to see.
     
  25. chrisj

    chrisj One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I seem to be having trouble finding the part of Supertrail that is green. Can someone point it out to me?
     
  26. chrisj

    chrisj One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Personally, I escort my grandchildren across carparks. I don't let them wander across on their own.
     
  27. zac150

    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    World Cup? Toward the bluff? Everywhere right of Kareela the tree’s are more dense, that’s why I thought it was left, near the turnoff to village trail (the bit that splits bushranger).
     
  28. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Then how about we change the behaviour of the person doing the damage?
     
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  29. skull

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    do you need glasses, so the green line from the village trail that goes in from Kareela than back out further down on the left.
     
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    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Being defensive about how/where you ski, drive, walk at night is one thing. Right and wrong is another. Someone slipping up on smart defensive behaviour is no excuse for someone else's wrong behaviour. It may not be smart for a parent to take a child on some busy runs, but it is entirely the fault of an irresponsible skier/boarder who straight lines into the child.
     
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  31. zac150

    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    This and when the village trail re enters the supertrail until slow gums mid station. Plus from the machinery shed down to the bottom of Kosci.

    And before you state the bleeding obvious the map you have shown is not drawn to scale, it is an artistic representation!
     
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  32. MickM

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    Combination of modern equipment & run grooming has enabled anyone outside a rank beginner to achieve high speeds with little effort. Add the crowds of a weekend and it is a perfect storm.

    no easy answer. Education & banning worst offenders a start.

    TBH, I would ban selfie sticks too. Like driving on the phone. Plus, the most boring footage you can see at any speed.
     
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  33. Annabuzzy

    Annabuzzy Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep that’s what I’m thinking it is.
     
  34. skull

    skull One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Oh I hate seeing those things on the slopes. (OLD MAN SKULL). Especially in a crowd and they get all in your face.

    Now saying that, since being at Tbo the last few years I have hardly seen any. Maybe they are not as popular now or just more prevalent at Perisher
     
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    Annabuzzy Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Sorry my bad I looked at it again. Judging by the fencing it looks to be supertrail proper below Kareela.
     
  36. TOFF

    TOFF Im kind of a big deal Ski Pass: Gold

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    Let’s hope that some out of control hoon doesn’t have an accident and some silly fool claims they shouldn’t have been there
     
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    Annabuzzy Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    ...but after the Village Trail turnoff
     
  38. skull

    skull One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    seeing some of the cars flying through past that roundabout I am surprised there isn't any.
     
  39. TOFF

    TOFF Im kind of a big deal Ski Pass: Gold

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    Let’s hope no one would blame a person injured by one of them as they ‘shouldn’t be there’ etc
     
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    skull One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    well according to Chris they shouldn't have, and it was their fault. :)
     
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  41. MickM

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    As I said earlier in the thread, saw a guy straighlining it down Wombat (Buller) with a selfie stick. He was looking straight into the camera, no awareness at all.

    Funny enough, didn't see any "heroes" on the icy bumps of Wood Run.
     
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    Could be, but the exact location doesn’t change my point.

    My point was that the person could easily have mistakenly ended up on the supertrail by missing the turnoff. We can’t blame them for being there.

    FWIW I push the kids but not to far as I want them to enjoy skiing and we have more fun that way.
     
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    number 7: I’ve observed any number of times that beginners tend to set off across a trail without looking up
    if you’re coming quickly down the hill on a line that is otherwise safe, you don’t get long to change direction as this completely unaware person launches in front of you
     
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    Annabuzzy Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    ALL THE TIME.
     
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    I don't have to ask that at all as it is irrelevant to the whole equation and part of the current dangerous thinking that some how the hill is formally segregated by skill level and others "should not be there".

    The whole premise of the thread is flawed and a clear indication of "entitlement" thinking creeping into the shared sport environment.

    IMHO
     
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    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    And yet they allow L plate drivers on freeways, school kids on pushbikes on footpaths, old people on scooters at the supermarket, snowboarders on Olympic and build shared paths for all throughout the built environment.

    A ski resort is one big shared path for all of all abilities.
     
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    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    Never abrogate your own safety by assuming the actions of others.

    The primary cause of collisions is collective over estimation of skill level combined with the assumption that others will "follow rules".
     
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    Annabuzzy Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    That’s true.

    But by the same token being technically right doesn’t result in a protective force field being erected around you. Im hyper vigilant of the out of control skiers and boarders, and borderline in control ones. It’s not hard to spot them. They’re everywhere. If you’re moving slowly down runs like supertrail, particularly edge to edge, you may as well paint a target on yourself. A collision is near inevitable.

    It might not be “the rules” but it’s common sense to...doh...exercise common sense...some defensive behaviour, and awareness of the dangers around you.

    That doesn’t mean the uphill skier isn’t at fault if they take out someone below. Its cold comfort to be in the right, but badly injured though. Even more so if it’s your child.
     
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    Spend half a day on FF if you want to get really scared on the hill IMO! Makes HN look like a walk in the park!
     
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    If you know this then surely it becomes integrated into your personal safety protocols ?
     
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