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Skiing technique/terminology.

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by Sbooker, Sep 2, 2019.

  1. Sbooker

    Sbooker One of Us

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    I was just reading the other thread about the "Private lessons being a waste of money". Interesting discussion and all but all the jargon is completely lost on me. Leg drive, rotation, fall line, initiation etc mean nothing to me. I suspect because I haven't ever had lessons (which is another story and something I intend to rectify when possible).

    The thing I do understand is I like skiing because it's fun. I describe skiing to non skiers as like driving a go cart down a hill while taking in wonderful views. I don't know that really captures it though.:p

    I know I ski much better now than I did a few years ago but being from Brisbane and only getting the opportunity to be on the ski hill about 15/20 days per year I suspect I will be a permanent (maybe advanced) intermediate as far as technique is concerned.

    My question relates to some kind of text/tuition that I may find in a bookstore or online that I can study while I'm between skiing holidays that may help me become better once I am on the hill and also help me understand the jargon so I can make a better decision as far as a ski purchase is concerned. Is there anything you may be able to share with me?

    *Specifically I would like to know the term to describe the feeling of 'propulsion' I got when I was on the skis I tried a couple of weeks ago. I don't know how to describe it but it is the feeling of acceleration?? I got when changing from one turn to the other. I haven't felt that to the degree I did on the Salomon QST skis.

    Sorry for the ramble. Thanks in advance.
     
  2. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    Australia teaching Manual, Harald Harb "Anyone can be an expert skier", Lito "Breakthrough on Skis", Schwingen Austrian ski manual.

    A gazillion on line videos
     
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  3. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Rebound
     
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    parkmonkey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    Part of the skill of being a good teacher is communicating concepts in the way the student understands. Using words straight out of the coaching manual is not doing that.
     
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  6. Marty_McSly

    Marty_McSly Backwards to the future! Ski Pass: Gold

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    I find a couple of YouTube series interesting and informative, Tips Up with Josh Foster, and Ski School by Elate Media.
     
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  7. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    when taking private lessons I prefer to have an instructor with very good english communication. they need to be able to explain things clearly, and in more than 1 way if I don't get it the first time.
     
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    Not language specific, but I found these videos quite helpful for technique and terminology would be embedded in there

     
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  9. Sbooker

    Sbooker One of Us

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    Thank you.
    The term makes sense.
    Do some particular types of skis offer more rebound than others?
     
  10. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    yes but I'm not the person to advise. it's bread and butter for @CarveMan & @DPS Driver. some others here demo a lot and read even more, eg @Annabuzzy .
     
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    Hermannator One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    A tough one - there are varying styles out there. Assuming you've been taught in Aus, you'd want the APSI alpine teaching manual. Problem is they only sell them to APSI members (i.e. instructors).
    Yeah, lots. Like anything make sure you have the fundamentals right e.g. stance (torso parallel with shin, some bend in each of the ankle, knee and hip). Try keeping the stance with your boots completely undone. If you stack, then your stance isn't right.

    Sounds like the other pair of skis need a decent wax...
     
  12. DPS Driver

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    Yes. Generally speaking, stiffer skis with camber offer more rebound, if you can bend them. Makes sense.

    From there you get into the ski length, construction, shape and torsional strength etc etc. Put your physics cap on and you'll figure it out. Some skis are built to offer greater rebound others to reduce it. Slalom skis are where you want the rebound to throw you quickly into the next turn, so that you can make the next gate. So think shorter, stiffer with flat tails. Downhill skis have a truck load of rebound but are designed to reduce and absorb some of the rebound so that they don't deflect. They've still obviously got considerable rebound but not to the same degree as a slalom ski. Powder skis don't necessarily require much rebound until you bring them back on piste and want some degree of performance.

    Rebound is flex and the skis quickness and strength to return to it's pre-flexed shape. Torsional rigidity plays a part in overall rebound as well, as it dissipates energy through deformation and doesn't drive the energy through the edge to give that maximum amount of rebound.

    Some people don't want a lively ski with a lot of rebound others like it.
     
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  13. Sbooker

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    A good way to describe the feeling. And it's a feeling I like that's for sure.
    Care to offer some suggestions for all mountain skis that are 'lively'?
     
  14. crackson

    crackson A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    crackson A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Bet $100 dpsdriver says ... Dps.
     
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  16. DPS Driver

    DPS Driver One of Us

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    I’ll take you up on that bet.
     
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  17. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    be fair, his initial answer was helpful and generic. no mention of brands
     
  18. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Saving money on a five year old expensive ski can be the worst move.
    Just like in tennis racquets, fibreglas eventually goes "dead" regarding "rebound"
    Specially if owned by corpulent but hot skier or an instructor.
    A carbon layer is snappier and ages better.
     
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  19. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    I had great lessons from a Japanese girl, her English was good not great, but she did have an amazing ability to communicate. Demonstrated rise and fall “like ballet” and would draw the turn radius she wanted me to emulate in the snow before demonstrating it herself. I enjoyed her lessons so much I booked her 3 years running as a “rent-a-friend” more than an instructor.
     
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  20. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I had a fabulous young austrian instructor many years ago. Initially class lessons but a few private lessons too. His english was abyssmal but his enthusiasm, patience and ability to demonstrate were terrific.
    Still, with the cost of private lessons i would be reluctant to go with someone with limited english these days. A guide OTOH can get by with less fluent english.
     
  21. pegasusSki

    pegasusSki Hard Yards

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    My only takeaways on lingo as translated into the practical are - you are either extending, (perhaps more old school) or rotating (edging?). With dismay, I realised the other day I do extend and it seems to work for me. Maybe I will also be stuck at an intermediate level.

    Took me ages to realise that carving is basically "parallel" but no skidding at all - I think. I also skid around more than I would readily admit to.

    It's like learning to ride - you need to get on a horse and no amount of photos will help.
     
  22. MarzNC

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    It's very helpful if you know what type of approach to learning new skills works best during a lesson. I'm a visual learner. Reading a book about technique is not helpful, at least not until I've already done in-person lessons about a given skill or drill. Even watching videos is of limited value. I do best mimicking an instructor when I'm following right behind. I get bored or overloaded pretty quickly if an instructor does a lot of talking. Took a while before I gained enough skill to follow tracks instead of simply making turns at the same time as the instructor (on groomers).

    The book that made the most sense was by Lito T-F called Soft Skiing. He wrote it relatively late in life, after injuring a knee.

    The most technical book I've bought is Total Skiing by Chris Fellows. It's not only about ski technique. Also goes into detail about what elements of ski conditioning are most important to focus on during the off-season for a given skier at any level.
     
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  23. CarveMan

    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    DbSki Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ski carrying terminology

     
  25. Sbooker

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    By your description I find that I now 'carve' more than slide. It wasn't a really deliberate thing though. I have noticed my kids do the same.
    Does natural progression (time spent on snow) on shaped skis promote one to become better at carving?
     
  26. qwill

    qwill Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Just remember to adopt the "whole body" philosophy and all will be good.
     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    but if I only use half, the other half can go to work to pay for all the skiing?
     
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    qwill Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    absolutely, but you only get half the fun from each activity.
     
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  29. cold wombat

    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Social Media Mod Ski Pass: Gold

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    Notwithstanding the very fair observation of Currawong on @DPS Driver's existing valuable contribution to the question:
    I think it's fair and reasonable for him to critique his own wares in light of the question (which so far he has declined to do)- he doesn't come here and treat this place as a customer fish bowl. He's here for the long haul as a contributing member of the community. He offers his advice and experiences regardless of relevance to his "professional interests". Given that genuine "community participation", I don't see why, within reason, he can't also contribute his relevant knowledge where it may also serve his professional interests, so long as he also acknowledges his "conflict of interest" and doesn't try to "drown out" any contrary views. It might be a fine line sometimes, but he seems to consistently err very heavily on the side of caution; that's his call. I see his position as quite similar to @teckel's or @CarveMan's- focused on being members of the community first, professional interests a long way second.
     
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    Annabuzzy Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    I think it’s quite possible to get to an advanced recreational level while skiing 2 weeks a year. Sometimes my biggest leaps have occurred after not skiing in the off season. I assume my mind gets to process all it has experienced in the off season and ours it all together better when I get on snow.

    And the “propulsion” is rebound.

    :)
     
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    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    bit late there buzzy
     
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    Annabuzzy Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    I know what you mean by getting more advanced than intermediate. My crew can safely ski all around most mountains but I’m sure technically we would all have big deficiencies. I suppose permanent intermediate was referring to skiing from a technical viewpoint - not a ‘being comfortable’ on the mountain viewpoint.
    Oh and rebound is nice.:)
     
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    Annabuzzy Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    We’ve seen quite a few industry folk driven off over the years, for various reasons. Personally, I think that makes the site a less valuable resource.

    I think DPS does a great job. But regardless, I think I can “look through” the biases and self interest to weigh up different perspectives on a ski related issue.

    We need more people like DPS (and carveman) here, not less.
     
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    Shitposting > commerce
     
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    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Social Media Mod Ski Pass: Gold

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    If they're only (or primarily) here to server their professional interests, then I'm mostly happy to miss out on their input. Otherwise, I'd prefer to see them offer it appropriately where relevant.
     
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    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Social Media Mod Ski Pass: Gold

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    No shit!

    LOL
     
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    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    LOL sounds like an old episode from The Bill meets Benny Hill
     
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    ^^^ What he said.

    Thanks for the vote of confidence. I'm a ski junkie first and foremost. And I'm bloody addicted to this forum, gotta stop.
     
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    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    You only have to ask the right people and this can be arranged.;)
     
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    Not as lively as a Slalom but mighty good for the width .
     
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    Sorry mate
     
  45. DPS Driver

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    Yes. it's all your fault.

    Answer one question he said, it'll be alright he said. Now look at me. Sneaking around to seedy mountain joints looking to score free WiFi so I can post. Where will it end.
     
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    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    It’s like Hotel California
    It’s not gonna end.
     
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    Anyone can buy a manual, you don't need to be a member.
     
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    crackson A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Some people are unteachable.

     
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    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Your banned
     
  50. bawbawbel

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    Yes.
    Could do worse. Saw bloke stick out tum as he ski ! My god, MSR strike still.
    Dam, monosyllable write too hard for me. :(

    Try reply please -
    Is it possible to get "propulsion" without bending and straightening your knees (ie using our "wholebody" cross through transition) ??
    If not, then it is not really needed, and that would explain ski manufacturers desperate ( and successful ) efforts to kill it. :)
    PS. Not DPS, rests on it's considerable reputation only.