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Question Skin Glue Cleaning - For Quarantine

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by nfip, Sep 5, 2019.

  1. nfip

    nfip Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    got an idea this may have been discussed.
    did a search and it just came up with re-glue...
    I need to get the dirt etc from the glue on my skins.
    they are fairly clean but I need them to be spotless.
    tried hand picking and scratching but it's not going to work.
    any tips or tricks appreciated .
    Plan C will be a new set.
     
  2. climberman

    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

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    An iron with brown paper works well for removal of glue and crap, especially when accompanied by a scrape when warm.
     
  3. nfip

    nfip Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thx yes I recall reading here about similar to re-fresh glue using baking paper.
    assume here tho the brown paper collects the contaminants from the glue .
    sounds like removes the glue also. ?
     
  4. skifree

    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    My experience is you can’t clean the glue (BD, G3, Coltex & others) unless it’s a Gecko skin.

    And I’ve found skins to keep working for a long time with crap in them.

    But when the time comes it’s a complete reglue or nuu skins.
     
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  5. Chowder11

    Chowder11 Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Best way to do it for sure. Hit it with a paint gun to heat the glue before the iron and brown paper trick.
    Its messy and sticky but effective.

    All in all cleaning and re-gluing skins isn't the funnest thing.
     
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  6. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Quarantine?

    Get a new set, spares are handy in the long term anyway.
     
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  7. nfip

    nfip Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah Bio-security.
    I have 3 pairs already , for different skis.
    Plus brand new kicker skins.,
    these are reasonably new and aren't too bad but likely not as good as they should be so .... tight arse option is try clean them up. aka Plan A !
     
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  8. climberman

    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

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    I assume @nfip has a quarantine issue
     
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    Yes iron (not too hot) with Paper bag will remove most of the glue with it and is best if your planing on re-glueing. But I found a hot scrapper the best for removing the glue for re-glueing. An iron and Baking paper will smooth out the glue and soften it without removing it, so you could in theory then pick out bits while it was still soft. These are (see pic) my go-to skins I use weekly, been through 10 years of abuse, 4 sets of skis , re-glued once, they're full of crap, the tails are held together with cable ties but still do the job ;)
     

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  10. climberman

    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

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    And if it gets desperate you still have the centreline to rip!
     
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  11. CarveMan

    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    One of the advantages of owning a ski shop.

    A moderately used ski / binding / skin combo sells fast and for good $$$ second hand.
     
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  12. PK Sawd

    PK Sawd Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    I've had a half-arsed go at the iron and brown paper thing and then topped up with new glue to reasonable effect. Not quarantine standard perhaps but do the airport guys really fuss over that? Genuine question here as I have never heard of it before.

    And just for reference for the tight arses out there like me, I'm still using the same Pomoca 80mm width (200-odd cm long) skins I purchased in the mid 90s even on the fatter skis I gravitated to during the Noughties and beyond. For the most part I seem to manage ascents in the same timeframe as any of my mates using shaped, full width skins on their bases. On some occasions I actually appreciate being able to angle onto a clean edge without the skins in the way if traversing something steep. Oh, and I manufactured my tail fixers out of some bulldog clips last season. I broke one of them last time out but there was enough stick in the glue to hold anyway with the excess of the skins dragging along behind that ski. I normally thread the excess through the bail on the bulldog clip and fold it back onto the skin glue-to-glue and adjust it to get a reasonable tension. That has the advantage of being able to change it when the skins start to get a little wet. I'm going to fabricate something that is more robust and reliable than the bulldog clip prototype but overall it keeps me going and at minimal cost.
     
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  13. PK Sawd

    PK Sawd Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Speaking of gluey, gloppy stuff, has anyone here played with Klister? I've persevered with it on occasions and had some good experiences and some disastrous, including having the tube burst inside my pack. What an effing mess!!! Overall, I don't think I would ever bother again but it was an interesting process to have tried. Like any "waxing" solution it tends to work better in climates and conditions where you have relatively consistent snow types. Australian and Scottish conditions are likely to give you wet slush at the bottom, scoured ice at the top and pockets of relatively unmodified snow in between. I've only had one, awesome day where green wax was the go-to and the day (sunny) never got over -16C and the combination of grip and glide on my old Tua Cirques was just magnificent. Rattled around 30+K from Cairngorm out to Ben MacDuibh returning via the Lurchers Gully without needing a reapplication and it seemed effortless throughout. Sorry, I got a little diverted. Carry on!
     
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  14. Red_switch

    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    **** skins, just tour with a roll of duct tape.
     
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  15. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Headed for Antarctica, they might be even more obsessive than going to UNZUD!
     
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  16. Neddy

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    Re-glued my old G3 skins with the iron-on sheets earlier this year after they started leaving a lot of glue on my bases.

    I tried the ironing with the brown paper trick at first but it was slow. I then got the paint scraper and a hair dryer on to them. That got the bulk of the glue off. It's effective but messy. But there was a slight residue left over than wouldn't come off after many passes. Ironed with brown paper again but probably wasn't as thorough as I could have been, as there was a little residue remaining near the tips. The glue sheets ironed on okay, except for the tips, which failed to adhere properly where the residue was.

    Have used them a few times this season and the majority of the glue on the skin is good as new, but at the tips it peels back a bit and clumps. This isn't a problem at the moment, but I can see it getting worse over time. Deciding now whether to have another crack at it or to just get a new set of skins
     
  17. Red_switch

    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    How many of you rock tail clips?
     
  18. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I have glueless, with clips.
     
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  19. Neddy

    Neddy Hard Yards

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    with clips
     
  20. PK Sawd

    PK Sawd Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    I got by for a couple of decades without clips but they are helpful to keep me going a bit longer without further outlay. I tend to be fairly tactical in my use of them too. Affix them to a warm ski at home overnight and they will do well over a long approach the following morning. Try to keep them close to my body in my coat in between uses to keep them warm. Be fastidious with removing any snow from bases before fixing again. If lunching on snow on a sunny day, place the ski so the bases catch a few rays and warm up a bit maybe with the skins already in place anticipating that next climb. Avoid really wet snow/puddles while skinning and try to keep them dry. I realise many people these days have synthetic versions that may not suffer the soaking thing. Well glued skins, at least in my experience, tend to do the job very well all day long and throughout multiday tours and don't seem to need tail fix but I don't think it hurts to have that additional fastening and it certainly improves the usage once the glue starts to get a bit tired.
     
  21. CarveMan

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    I do, essential when the skins get waterlogged in Aus spring snow IMO.
     
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  22. Red_switch

    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    Yeah, I'm close to the same.

    You don't need bugger all glue with good clips.
     
  23. Red_switch

    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    I skin through rivers. **** it.
     
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  24. PK Sawd

    PK Sawd Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    My situation is historical I suppose. If your setup works well and I were going around again today maybe I'd ditch the gluing variety but they are what I have.
     
  25. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I really like them, so easy, so weird. They seem like they shouldnt work, but so far so good for me. But Im not touring all that much these days, so we shall see how long. I have heard of them failing, but know other people that are hooked on them too. Cant remember what brand mine are, I picked them up cheap. I have had them very wet, no worries, they still havent slipped at all. Very very aggressive on the climbs, they handle it all. No need for cheatsheets.
     
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  26. Red_switch

    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    My skins aren't actually glueless. But they are G3, so maybe they might as well be. I use the iron and baking paper trick once a winter to smooth out and rejuvenate the glue, but it's the tail clips doing the bulk of the work for sure.
     
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  27. Neddy

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    I think you've just confirmed what to do with my skins - just keep using as is
     
  28. Hermannator

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    All this talk about cleaning skins... It's hard enough getting the glue off the ski bases as it is (let alone trying to clean the skin). The only method I have is using the paper (usually newspaper) and iron trick. Once most of it's gone then its onto the citrus-based solvent (desolv-it? comes orange cap/squirt trigger) from bunnings.

    Still painstaking. My skins are 4 seasons in and still going, but glue is starting to lose effectiveness (probably due to crap stuck to it/glue lost to bases). They are G3s
     
  29. Untele-whippet

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    na, clips are heavy and not required.
     
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    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Skin wax is the go, often and regular.
     
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    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    Nah, clips are great.
     
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    nfip Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    yep.
    I'm washing backbacks and boot bags,
    Vacuuming and scrubbing the travel bags.
    Removing lint and other "alien" matter from Velcro.....
    once I send it thru to Cargo ( 6 weeks before departure) they fumigate before it gets on the plane / ship.
     
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    You, lucky, lucky *******! Sounds like a fabulous adventure!!!
     
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    nfip Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    not got any hopes up for the verts but should be some pretty cool touring and photographic opportunities.
    when I'm not working that is.
    have kicker skins and the G3 crampons in anticipation of plenty ice and rolling terrain.
    been a long and careful selection process since late Jan.
    still a bit surreal tbh.

    will post a TR thread when I eventually get going in a month or so.
    cheers.
     
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    nfip Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    ps
    I'm also in the market for an extremely robust beard !
     
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  37. climberman

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    Should be able to arrange one there!
     
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    With tea?
     
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  39. Moondog55

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    Maybe you should sneak in an ice-axe and crampons just in case? You could probably find enough older climbing gear there if the occasion arrived tho.
     
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    nfip Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    There will plenty of the serious gear there which they use for crevasse / tide crack rescue etc
    Ice (cliff) climbing is not permitted.
    It's a long way home for medical evac, weather permitting ….
    Think @telecrag knows one of the field officers who'll do our survival training.
     
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    I think I've met one or two of them myself, a shame that they are so risk adverse but I understand why.
     
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    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    It's kind of a bummer tbh.

    @nfip when I went down there was much more scrutiny of gear on return to nz than on the way down. No doubt things are getting stricter.
     
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    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    nfip Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Tradie , driving Inflatables, counting penguins....
     
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    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    Nice, enjoy!

    Never got close to penguins, but I hear they stink.
     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I think its the same base, he did the other one last year, one they fly them in, this one is boat? He has been down in Tassie for a while, I think they head down in October.
     
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    nfip Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Flight to Casey 4.5 hrs ( Wilkins airstrip then o/snow to Casey)
    Boat to Macquarie Island, Davis & Mawson. 10-12 days !
     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep, pretty sure he said Davis this time. Skied with him a bit before he left. Many on here would know him I think. Be a good person to have around in a pinch I reckon. Classic hard man too.
     
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