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Question Snow Camping Sage: Words of wisdom?

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by uncle buck, Aug 28, 2020.

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  1. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    One of my gas fails was on the coldest recorded night at the time, -23 at CP. We were camped on the summit in Mt Gingera. Just managed to get some warm water, and that was the fuel done.
     
  2. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ive had the odd fire, but not as a necessity, been using stoves for 35 years or so now.
     
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  3. GS

    GS Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    no it’s not, particularly when you’ve run out of water and can’t melt snow. Thank dog for huts a couple of hours away....with spare matches
     
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  4. GS

    GS Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    same, spent a week walking a section of the AAWT in my 20s and cooked on a fire every morning and night. It’s actually quite impressive how small a fire can be to Successfully cook on

    edit, was in summer though!
     
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  5. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I remember getting one going for a hot lunch on a really wet walk, took a bit. Sometimes we would just build a little box fire around the billy for a hot drink.

    I really love my jetboil!
     
  6. buckwheat

    buckwheat One of Us

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    Chuck em on your boots when you leave them in the vesty. Stops em filling up with spindrift overnight. Best 4g you'll take snow camping!
     
  7. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    I actually dont mind stepping out for a piss. I mean, i prefer to sleep through but when ya gotta... i find it cathartic. Sometimes it's still, quiet with a bajillion stars making the snow glow.

    Just slip on my liners and dip out in my sleep kit

    Pissing in the vesty? ****ing savages
     
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  8. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ya gotta set up a piss ring about the tent to keep out the snow snakes and wild avigirraffes.
     
  9. uncle buck

    uncle buck Hard Yards

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    2. Washing up gloves + glove liners + hand warmers = the perfect warm waterproof way to work with snow around camp. Saves your proper “warm gloves” from getting wet while you’re packing and shovelling snow
     
  10. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ok i probably read it here years ago and i now pass it back to whomever wants warm toes and an easier morning:

    Fill your drink bottle with hot water before bed and pop it in the bottom of your sleeping bag. Still lukewarm by morning so faster heatup for coffee etc.

    That tip has well been worth $11/yr to me. Im sure its not some big secret or anything but hey
     
  11. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    When getting water from a stream use your pole to dunk the bottle in with to stay back from falling in and/or getting cold wet hands.

    Yep my mate fell in the other day. Fortunately just enough to get him excited and us laughing in the end but getting wet aint no joke
     
  12. Bloke

    Bloke One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Number two heat pack for emergencies
     
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  13. Moondog55

    Moondog55 One of Us

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    I'll add this.
    Never believe those little diagrams that show 2 people in a shelter, be warned they actually use pygmies to draw those.
    Take a bigger tent
     
  14. Untele-whippet

    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

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    Invite your loved one.
     
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  15. Moondog55

    Moondog55 One of Us

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    Take an even bigger tent
     
  16. crackson

    crackson Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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  17. uncle buck

    uncle buck Hard Yards

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    This is one of the best
     
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  18. uncle buck

    uncle buck Hard Yards

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    I don’t understand how this works
     
  19. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    Pop your drink bottle lid (the ones attached with a plastic retainer) through the ski pole strap. Hold the other end of pole and lower into stream to fill it up.
     
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  20. buckwheat

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    If your tent hasn't got snow flaps, get em sewn on!
     
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    In case of crappy weather there is nothing better for your hands than goretex OR mitts. After the blue rubber chem gloves there is nothing more waterproof
     
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    hongomania One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    If i had a loved one, they wouldnt be after a couple of nights in the tent together, probably would need urgent medical attention for gas poisoning
     
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    DJM One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Fingerless possum fur gloves for dexterous touring. I’d say 80 percent of my time is spent in these.

     
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  24. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    Save the 4g and take your inner boots into the tent.
     
  25. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    Put the bottle between you legs to hear up your femoral artery and stay even warmer.
     
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  26. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    I had my bag only half zipped the other night! But great idea
     
  27. Majikthise

    Majikthise Sage Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Wet suit booties....the ultimate hut/tent slipper also for river crossings.
     
  28. buckwheat

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    That is the ideal but i always struggle to get my inners back into the frozen shells in the morning. Bit of a monga!
     
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    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    Just gotta know the method, your feet start the day warmer too.
     
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  30. Chaeron

    Chaeron Ski-Hike-Blade-Bike-Kayak Ski Pass: Gold

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    Iso leads one to do strange things ... I reckon one should clean one’s stove every 20 years or so....

    Also, I’ve experimented with ways to prime my Optimus Svea and Whisperlite without producing the usual fireball - cottonwool strips pre-treated with petroleum jelly (vaseline) produce a high enough, durable and controllable flame source - It’s inert, easily applied and reliable. Home-grown fire-starter

    Next project - refillable gas canisters....for spring and summer expeditions...

     
  31. Moondog55

    Moondog55 One of Us

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    I've always taken a small bottle of metho along for priming purposes.
    A 50ml bottle usually lasts a week or more, you don't need much at Aussie temperatures
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    At one point we sent our MSR in for a full service every 12 months. It was slowly rebuilt several times over the years.:):cool:

    aahh for the good old days.:(
     
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    I fired my Svea 123 up last week just for old time's sake. It's still a great little stove. did you use Brasso to clean yours, it has come up really well.
     
  34. Xplora

    Xplora One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Have you drunk Carlton Draught or Coronas? As good as.
    .........and to add my bit to the fuel thing. Got sick of the number of gas canisters (which did not have enough for a trip) taking up space and then thought about how to dispose of them even when empty. No good option there. Changed to shellite and not looked back.
     
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  35. Rick Ross Da Boss

    Rick Ross Da Boss One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Use one these, costs $5
     
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  36. Chaeron

    Chaeron Ski-Hike-Blade-Bike-Kayak Ski Pass: Gold

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    First some heavy duty potware cleaner, then Brasso - burnt-on soup doesn’t buff well...
     
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  37. Chaeron

    Chaeron Ski-Hike-Blade-Bike-Kayak Ski Pass: Gold

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    Great for butane refill and will definitely do so, but how to get a winter-friendly butane/propane mix without gassing the family/ blowing oneself up...
     
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    GS Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    I use gas now but back in my whisperlite days I carried a little container of 50:50 metho and Shellite. Poured a little directly into the cup for priming. Worked a treat, no fireballs and didn't create as much soot on stove
     
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  39. Chaeron

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    Thx - I will definitely do that. I carry a little syringe so I don’t slosh the priming fuel all over and apply it directly to the cup. In spring, summer and autumn I go gas for convenience and weight gains.
     
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    Xplora One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    An interesting thing about butane, it is not just the cold but also the altitude. Once you get much higher and to the magic altitude (can't recall what it is) it works great again. I do remember Australia is not high enough though and you need to go to the Himalaya's. Something about the lower the pressure the colder you can use the canisters.
     
  41. teleroo

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    Piezo ciggy lighters quite happy to work when wet. Spark alone is sufficient to ignite shellite or gas.
     
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    Got an ultra-light Primus brand gas burner with a built-in Piezo in Japan - even though it’s 20 years old I haven’t come across anything smaller or lighter.
     
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    Fuel is stinky and messy. Winter mix gas is great. Convenient, safe, recyclable and instant.

    Pissed about with fuel for years. Wish I went straight to gas.
     
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    Chaeron Ski-Hike-Blade-Bike-Kayak Ski Pass: Gold

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    @Rick Ross Da Boss @Moondog55 - thx for the suggestions -

    I’ve ordered this combination kit which allows me to transfer between regular cartridges and also transfer from butane
     
  46. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    If snow camping near a hut without a water supply (e.g. JB hut ) I tend take snow from the hut roof. The chances of someone weeing on the roof and then collecting that snow for cooking water are less than yellow snow sourced from the camp site vicinity.
     
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  47. uncle buck

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    - campsite prep (stomp it flat with skis) and site selection is far more valuable and effective than your expensive tent
    - consider the morning sun - it's wonderful to be in a spot that catches warmth early
    - remove as much packaging as possible from food and pack in zip lock bags
    - earplugs
    - gold filter coffee is an essential
    - coffee goes well with whisky
    - wrap your shell jacket around the foot of your sleeping bag to keep the tent moisture off as you sleep
    - your body and sleeping bag is your drying room. Tuck anything wet, gloves, socks and so on, inside your sleeping bag or inside your thermals to warm and dry. Put all your clothes inside your sleeping bag at night - or wake up to frozen clothes.
    - snow melts faster if you add it to already hot or boiling water. It also tastes better
    - leave no trace. carry everything out > an alternative to the poo PVC pipe is an empty tennis ball canister. Gaff the lid on
     
  48. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    yeap great tips

    I rate the morning sun sites
    near water as melting snow chews time and gas

    jagermeister is great in the cold - the sweetness is very palatable at the lower temps. if beer is needed, something malty and caramelly - red IPA was our pick last week and it was stellar. red IIPA is the goal for next trip for ABV:grams efficiency.

    that shiraz infused gin is pretty good in the cold too.
     
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  49. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    If high winds are predicted then excavating the snow tent site so that at least 25 % of its surface is sunk below general snow level is a useful exercise. The Black diamond collapsible snow shovel clips onto my pack with carabiners.
    During one trip to Mt. Stirling I built a snow wall to keep the wind off and the overnight wind was warm and melted the wall :-0 .
     
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    I'm trying to picture someone crapping in a tennis ball can. You'd have to be pretty accurate and do tiny shits.

     
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