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Snow chains, Q & A for 2015

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by snowtyres, May 27, 2015.

  1. Sandy

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    It's a joke.... They would be perfect at Hotham
     
  2. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    They are Biathlon
     
  3. Donza

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    wash your mouth out sandy.
    Hotham is almost a nepalese mountain pass.
     
  4. Donza

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    how many yen and how small do they pack
    might be keen to get a set for my subie
     
  5. teckel

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    It's true. The road to Hotham is the most dangerous road to a ski resort in the world. This is evidenced by the fact that it's the only resort in the world that has outlawed spider chains.:out:
     
  6. Donza

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    Bishteq in Slovenia has as well.
    though its also outlawed donkeys.
    so take that at face value
     
  7. teckel

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    Well, at least Hotham hasn't outlawed donkeys - although that might be a bit hard for them to do.......
     
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    I assume that means there are a lot of asses there?
     
  9. bawbawbel

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    HE haw
    Thanks for the info, Richard, will recommend Roof Carrier Systems as the One Stop Shop.
    I note, however, that although most spiders do not meet the Mt Hotham ARMB Determination, the K-Summit does:

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    2.. An authorised type of diamond pattern wheel (snow) chain is one which is:-
    1. The correct size for the tyres fitted to the vehicle
    2. Suitable for the wheels, tyres and the weight and construction of the vehicle
    3. Constructed of hard high alloy steel
    4. Of a pattern and design where some part of the chain will be in contact with the road surface at all times when properly fitted.
    5. Suitable for a road of varying gradients and sharp corners
    6. Not modified or altered from the original commercially manufactured wheel chain.
    Actually K-Summit may be the ONLY chain to fully meet the determination, because, as Teckel has pointed out , diamonds lose road contact in two places unless partially deflated.
     
  10. Hully

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    Interestingly @snowtyres make no mention of the need for them to only be used with winter tread tyres on their webpage for the Centrax chains. Surely if it was so important there should be a highlighted statement that this product should only be used with winter tread tyres....or does he sell them and then hit them with the need to buy 4 new tyres!!! Also, no statement on the webpage that they are not approved for use at Mt Hotham....20% of Australian major ski resorts!!! This is direct copy from RCS webpage.

    RUD Centrax Snow Chains
    Rud’s Centrax snow chain is part of the new generation of 0mm clearance snow chains designed to fit when no other chain will. Specially designed snow chain system for high performance and luxury cars and AWDs, especially when fitted with low profile tyres.

    Features include
    • the chains can be fitted without moving the vehicle and pulls itself on when the vehicle is driven away,
    • no chain on the inside of the tyre means there is never a clearance problem between the tyre and the suspension,
    • foldable arms for easy storage in a smart bag,
    • fast and easy to fit.
     
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  11. Chester

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    I don't know why people even mention 'winter tyres' and 'Australia' in the same conversation.
     
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  12. Donza

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  13. Chester

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    Obvious, but I'd take their opinion with a grain of salt.
     
  14. Donza

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    road salt or table?
     
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    but the children
     
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  18. Donza

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    almost as extreme as hotham
    [​IMG]
     
  19. snowtyres

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    Thanks Hully for your observations, time for an upgrade, we will do it next week
     
  20. Sandy

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    About 20,000 yen, and pack big.... about 53x34x23cm.

    You need to practice fitting them, because it's not so obvious how to do it. And then practice again, then again.

    The video shows a girl fitting them in about one minute, but if your car is low slung, low clearance like mine, it's a bit harder. Also the video shows that the chains start off really flat.... but they DO NOT come out of the box that way, so often when you slide them behind, they will tend to fold up, then you have to repeat a few times. Also it's more difficult to pull them across the tyre when the tyre is new. The key is to pull them up as away from the tyre, not dragging them across, because the friction stops it sliding across the tyre.

     
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    If the Biathlons work for you in Japan Sandy that's good.
    Question... How would they help you steer, and stop, if you had a rear wheel drive car, especially when driving down hill?
     
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    as opposed to chains on a RWD?
     
  23. Sandy

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    Question... How would standard diamond pattern chains help you steer, and stop, if you had a rear wheel drive car, especially when driving down hill?
     
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    Please .......... Nobody has ever successfully driven a car down an ice covered road in Australia, with chains on the rear, and summer tyres on the front.

    Not possible !!!
     
  25. Chester

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    Question... How many years experience of driving in snow in the Northern Hemisphere do you personally have?
     
  26. teckel

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    But that would only be on winter tyres, because we've been told by ST that summer tyres spin in a spider chain.
     
  27. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Question Sober or Intoxicated???
     
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  28. Sandy

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    :D

    But ST is never wrong
     
  29. Sandy

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    Another question:

    Have you used Biathlon chains on snowy roads with:
    - Normal packed snow?
    - Hard packed snow?
    - Icy snow?
    - 25cm of loose snow?
    - EVER?
     
  30. snowtyres

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    If the Biathlons work for you in Japan Sandy on your FWD that's good.
    Question... How would chains, or Biathlons, help you steer, and stop, if you had a rear wheel drive car, especially when driving down hill?

    What ever type of snow chain you have on the rear of a RWD makes no difference to the grip of the tyres on the front.
    If you do not agree with this hopefully you can explain to the many viewers of this thread, how any type of snow chain, fitted the rear drive tyres of any 2WD driven on summer tyres can help this RWD vehicle to steer or stop in snow and icy conditions, especially when driving down hill.

    You will never see any vehicle in Germany in winter using snow chains on summer tyres.....it is verboten!
     
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    Chains are not permissible on any recreational vehicle in German Resorts. Winter Tyres only
     
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    So please explain the thousands of Australian's getting up and down the mountains in Australia every year safely, in RWD's and Summer Tyres.

    Perhaps they levitate when it snows ???
     
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    We use a thing called a handbrake
     
  34. Sandy

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    You are off topic.
    This is about chains, not about your agenda. You asked me to explain how "blah blah blah..... chains on a RWD...", when clearly my chains were on the front. This is a simple beginner's error that you've made. Perhaps you should do some training in observational driving..... :doh:

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    How do I sometimes drive with high performance summer tyres (rated at 300kph so they are definitely are no good on snow or ice), with NO CHAINS ON, up and down hills without crashing??? Perhaps I know how to drive, and you don't!!!
    :deadhorse:
     
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    Precicesly. Those of us that have been scooting up the hills from our youthfull days when passing every Chain Fitting Bay was a challenge highly sought after have learnt to let the chains rust in the boot for as long as possible
     
  36. snowtyres

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    A bit hard to do modulate an electric parking brake that are now replacing 'hand pull' mechanical cable operated parking brakes.
     
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    This the 2nd thread in which I've asked @snowtyres this same question, and both times he/she has chosen to ignore the question, so I'll just assume that the answer is very little or none hence @snowtyres ' preaching must be directly from a sales manual.
     
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    a lot more relaxed when intoxicated
     
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    Some choose a rather slow path Chester.
     
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    slow path to nowhere
     
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    You'll see lots of them in France .... LOTS​
     
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    If your amount of time driving in Europe has no relevance to the use of snow chains in Australia, then why does a chart of EU requirement have any relevance?
    You can't have it both ways.
     
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    The relevance of the amount of driving determines if your commercially motivated drivel comes from personal experience or out of a sales manual ... IMO ... and that opinion is coming from someone that drives practically every winter day in the Alps, and has been doing so for almost 10 years, but has never read anything about the technicalities of summer or winter tyres, chains or anything else you've been preaching.

    It happened to snow a shitload on changeover day during the busiest week of the French ski season. You also might want to look at a map to see that the major problems weren't deep in the in the Alps, but lower in the valley on motorways in places like Chambery. Have you ever driven on a motorway behind snow clearing machinery during/after a big snowfall? If you have you'll know that the snow clearing machinery drive 2-3 abreast at speeds as low as 30-40km/h with no cars being able to pass. Other times national roads and motorways are completely closed. The reality is that freak storms like this will always create bottlenecks and problems, irrespective of whether chains &/or winter tyres are compulsory.
     
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    Biathlon aren't spider chains! I have them myself - one of the best chains ever. They basically turn your tyres into snow tyres in about 2 minutes. They are available around Melbourne.

    Sandy, re your second comment about fitting, I've found that a couple of bits of 2 x 4, (as long as your tyres are wide), make fitting the Biathlons much easier. Just run the wheels up onto the blocks, then fit. Because they're such a snug fit, this gives you a bit of extra room to work with.
     
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    Why isn't ST a commercial member? Shouldn't he be paying ski.com for his free advertising?
     
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    Because biathlon chains aren't made of metal, they're deemed to be a snow traction device, and not a snow chain. And ST has told the authorities here (RTA & VicRoads) that only chains should be permitted on 2WDs, not snow traction devices. Thanks ST, the friend of all Australian skiers.
     
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    How does one check this post for factual accuracy ?
     
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    Snowtyres do you have the documentation that states spider chains are to only be used in combination with snow tyres or MS tyres with the snowflake symbol ?