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Snow chains, Q & A for 2015

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by snowtyres, May 27, 2015.

  1. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    I ponder the correlation between the antsy clusterfck these threads become and the antsy clusterfck that the Australian snowy roads governance regime has matured into.

    Honestly folks if ya gonna buy vehicles with low profile, low clearance tyres and wheel combinations and intend to drive into areas under the clusterfck that is Australia Alpine roads regulations then do what the Euros, Canucks, Japs n Yanks do in winter and leave the fancy city wheels at home.

    All this stupid antsy snow tyres fapping achieves exactly nothing.

    So much stupid ....
     
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  2. Scooter

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    Gonna cross post here due to the fact the snow chain talk from the Aldi thread seems to have moved to here.

    For < $40 I would happily grab a set of the Aldi chains however looking at the stock that is left I can't see her size listed - going from earlier posts in that Aldi thread I assumed there was a listing with all the sizes against the Aldi number (like 90, 100 etc.)

    So does anybody which chains would fit 235/60R17?

    If I knew the Aldi identification number for her size tyres it might help tracking down stock (should have looked on the first day :headbang:).

    TIA
     
  3. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    none.... you have been saved from the dreaded rim scuff, which is unavoidable even if you carefully fit the little grey plastic buttons to the Aldi chains. You need steel rims to change to, and then you then might as well have winter tyres on them.
    If you decide to get K-Summits they really need to be set up by the shop who will talk you into fitting winter tyres anyway.
    Now read the Amazon complaints about K-Summits.
    Check bank balance, decide skateboarding is really a better sport...
     
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  4. Astro66

    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ducky.

    If no one challenges ST on his claims. Then punters may take it as gospel.

    I have been asking for chain manufacturer documentation from ST for years, regarding his claim that chains can only be fitted to winter tyres.

    And yet he continues to post the claim, completely unsupported by chain manufacturers.

    Hence all the angst.

    If the stupidity is to end. The ball is firmly in ST'S court.

    I have searched high and low. I cannot find a single chain manufacturer document supporting it.
     
  5. Scooter

    Scooter One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    hey @bawbawbel - was that none in response to me? Assume it is as you mention Aldi chains. Is that tyre size a weird size?

    I've done the rim scuff before driving down from Hotham in a Blizzard and not locking off slack (i'll blame the screaming baby in the back LOL).
     
  6. dawooduck

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    That's because there isn't any. Chains work better on softer compound tyres, that's a given constant. In many parts of the world winter tyres are mandatory as is carrying chains. Put this two separate regulations together and you arrive at "the winter tyres and chains combination" which would be the normal base equation for pretty much all of Europe.

    This is Australia, we don't have mandatory snow tyre laws so we arrive at our fairly unique occasional small sections of road with the "road tyres + snow chains" equation. We also don't have the facilites to fit chains when snow is encountered so we ate forced to fit in designated bays quite often on a wet snow free tarmac

    Snow chains don't grip as well on road tyres so hence we have a max 40km speed limit with chains on.

    Why Australia doesn't allow "snow sock" technology for our unique snow road situation is beyond me.

    As for spider chains, they are not built for tarmac driving which forms a big part of our Australian snowy roads equation.

    It's a clusterfk of too much chattering and not enough application towards finding a solution for our unique Australian situation. Basically in Australia it's all about enforcing rules instead of looking for solutions.

    Happy skiing
    Happy life

    Argue away !!!
     
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  7. Sandy

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    Sound right to me!!!! :D
     
  8. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Buy some Konigs second hand. 14 mm and lastforever.
    And so it goes. I lost the affection of a snow bunny becuse I would not stop on that descent to let her get out of a cold ski boot. She still has discoloured toes and a hatred of snow..
     
  9. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    A last look at K Summits for me. They Locktite bits together so you strip the provided weak allen key while setting them up.
    Rachetting them too tight (from fear of losing them) will actually ensure that outcome as the hub nut connection will then vibrate off. Otherwise a great solution, surely.
     
  10. snowtyres

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    sauron_017 Hard Yards

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    Your last sentence completely sums up much of life in this country.

    Rules are arbitrarily made up with little actual evidence and without debate then dogmatically enforced. Once a rule is made, undoing it or loosening it becomes virtually impossible to do.

    Hence why we see bizarre rules like the ALDI/Spider chain fiasco at Mt Hotham.
     
  13. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Snowtyres, so that I can send customers your way, please catalogue here info on diamond pattern "low profile" chains which you stock or will have available shortly.
    Then our white elephant AWD with electrical diff lock and a whole alphabet of stability systems might be able to approach the Sleeping Giant Of Dogma.
     
  14. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Your point about electric handbrakes taken. I managed to navigate an unskierized tiny Toyota down Turoa by alternating hand and footbrake for "steering" . (Never Again !!).
     
  15. dawooduck

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    Bingo ..... don't get me started in massive "arbitrary enforcement" RBT and drug bus operations just outside Jindabyne AFTER people have been driving for 5hrs just to get to that point.

    Stralya ..... beating itself to death with beat ups
     
  16. telecrag

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    The dopey buggers are still just trying to catch me DWD, been trying for years. Its just like a modern Smokey and the Bandit!

    Except Im smokey, and dems the bandits!
     
  17. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Running out of time, solution means becoming a lawbreaker, who cares?
    Ordered 10 mm wheel spacers. These are illegal in Victoria. Will only fit them for snow trips.
     
  18. sauron_017

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    While were on this topic.....are ladder chains deserving of the total ban everywhere in VIC/NSW?
     
  19. teckel

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    I think so. I wouldn't use them as I regard them as unsafe. I refuse to have them in my shop for the same reason, so effectively, I don't let my customers use them.
    Yes, I used to use them a long time ago, but I you couldn't get diamond pattern then.

    You couldn't ban them totally though. What people do on private land is up to them. Also, I've been asked to source chains for strange vehicles eg: ride-in mowers etc. Yes, they have mower chains in the US, but only ladder pattern, so that's where I direct these customers.
     
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  20. Astro66

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    Please. ....... You don't need any chains on AWDs in NSW.

    And you want to ban ladder.

    Some perspective please.
     
  21. Donza

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    Ladder chains are actuallly quite useful in New Zealand (gravel, scree). However pretty useless on Bitumen.
     
  22. sixty_eight

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    Can't say that I ever felt unsafe with the old ladder chains.
     
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  23. Astro66

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    That's complete crap.

    I used ladder chains for 20 years in NSW.

    And know exactly how much difference they make, when I threw and destroyed one.

    And then had to get everyone out to push me up Dainers.

    They make a shit load of difference.
     
  24. Donza

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    Its just if you lock the brakes, its possible that all four wheels will have no chain touching the road.
     
  25. Astro66

    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    That's why you teach yourself not to use brakes, but use engine compression to slow down.

    And it's even less relevant with modern cars and ABS.
     
  26. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    The NZ approach is "We offer good advice, kill yourself if you want to"
    So I drove that car up backwards, to get "RWD" traction. Coming down, the Subarus were managing well, but I stopped half way. The grader driver said "Follow me down if you like, or wait for the grit truck". It never did arrive..
     
  27. teckel

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    Ladder chains don't stop the sideways slide
     
  28. Astro66

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    Fully agree. Not a huge factor on the road to NSW resorts.

    My only support of ladder chains, is they're not "pretty useless" on bitumen.

    I used them up till 6 years ago in NSW. And like 68 said. Always felt safe on them.
     
  29. Jack the Snowman

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    Because when you're driving between Harrietville and Hotham, or Dinner Plain and Hotham every day, and the road can be covered in snow and ice, even when they're not fitting chains to 4x4, then they're fantastic grip and peace of mind!
     
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    That's about 0.000000001% of the skiing population. So I'll tweak my above statement ...

    Unless they're talking about a vehicle that spends the entire winter in a ski resort, or one that drives up every day from a nearby town, I don't know why people even mention 'winter tyres' and 'Australia' in the same conversation.
     
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    What tyres does Normo have on his car?
     
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    Normo rides an all terrain magic carpet
     
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    This thread is so typical of OZ politics over the last few years - decisions according to commercial interests while facts are distorted to please the masters and con the serfs and outcomes are no solution to the original problem.
    Such a waste!
     
  34. dawooduck

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    Classic Australia.
     
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    You are 100% correct Jack. The same performance and safety benefits applies to drivers from Jindabyne and from Mansfield who drive up and down every day and especially to the many families that drive up to their lodge or apartment every week.
     
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    Do you sell airline tickets also ? Just curious.
     
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    For those driving up from Jindabyne and Mansfield in 2 wheel drive vehicles, yes, and 4 wheel drives, perhaps, but for those only driving up on the weekends, absolutely not !!
     
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    In fairness , if I lived in Jindy and drove up to Perisher each day in my AWD subie I would get a set of Blizzaks .
    Not the Euro Rubbish snowtyres spruiks.
    I'd buy from a leading country with regards tyres ie Japan, who happens to be one of the snowiest developed nations in the world. They got their shit sorted.
     
  39. Astro66

    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    Living in Jindy. Driving to Perisher for 10 weeks. Less than 10 times a year on snow. Surely a set of BF Goodrich AT, on an AWD, would be the best allrounder.

    It's Straya Mate.
     
  40. Donza

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    ever driven on blizzaks?
     
  41. Donza

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    btw, you lack snow tyres comprehension
     
  42. Astro66

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    10 days a year on snow.

    350 days on Australian country roads and tracks.

    And you'd choose snow tyres. <shakes head>

    Bro please. When your Blizzaks get destroyed on a rough aussie track. I'll bring you a set of BFG's.
     
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  43. Donza

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    why would Blizzaks "get destroyed'?
    please post examples
    North Americas #1 snow tire
     
  44. Astro66

    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    Living in Jindy would assume a good stint of country driving. Corrigations, spinifex, Jaggered rocks. Tear those soft things to bits.

    Straya Mate. 99% tough. 1% snow. Why choose snow ??

    What do the Jindy cops use on their 4WD's. BFG's bro.
     
  45. Donza

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    um bro
    clueless
    tel me about the locals in nagano
     
  46. dawooduck

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    spinifex .....
     
  47. Chester

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    razor blades
     
  48. dawooduck

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    it's hell out there
     
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    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    I thought you said Jindy not Nagano ???
     
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    Straya Mate.