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Snow conditions north of Walhalla

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by stony, Jul 31, 2005.

  1. stony

    stony First Runs

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    Hi all, can anyone tell me what the snow's like around Fiddler's Green/Mt.Selma/Mt.Useful? I'm off to do a bit of camping and 4wding. If it's not much can anyone nominate any other areas nearby....Mt.Skene or the other side near Jamieson?

    thanks in advance
     
  2. teckel

    teckel Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't expect to find any snow in that area at the moment - not until the end of the week, anyway.
     
  3. stony

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    Fingers crossed then! Can you recommend any other areas that aren't too distant?
     
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    teckel Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    The higher the altitude, the better. Probably Bogong/High Plains region. Unless you can wait until the weekend - should be lots of snow then - pretty much anywhere.
     
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  6. stony

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    thanks snowgum and teckel. I plan to go at the end of the month so hoping the conditions hold out. I understand about the road damage so will be keeping it to a minimum....driving into a location, camping, exploring on foot and driving out.
     
  7. stony

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    Actually it's just occurred to me...it might be a silly question....does one need longer tent pegs when pitching tents in the snow?
     
  8. Alex.C

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    Umm no, just snow pegs:

    [​IMG]

    Normal tent pegs will do nothing in snow.. They might sort of work hammered into ice though... :p
     
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    Raury Endless Winter Endless Winter

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    Is there much technical difference between those and the yellow plastic sand pegs?
     
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    Snow Blowey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Stony,

    You can also bury plastic shopping bags filled with snow and use these as tie downs for you tent. You'll need a shovel to get the buggers out in the morning though if there's an overnight freeze. They are fiddly but very effective.
     
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    Not really if they are big enough. However it should be noted that the plastic probably wouldn't like the cold and may become brittle..

    Toboggans are made out of a special (non-cheap) plastic for this reason...
     
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    Raury Endless Winter Endless Winter

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    Ahhh, good point Alex. I had some metal sand pegs as well, around the 350mm length. How does that compare to those length wise?

    I guess there'd be nothing worse than trying to hammer in a peg and watch it turn into lots of little pegs.
     
  13. Graeme

    Graeme First Runs Endless Winter

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    another good snow anchor is the "deadman" - a item such as a solid stick (readily available in the places you are talking about),or you can use some orange plastic electrical conduit. The guy is tied around the middle of the anchor, which is buried in a horizontal position with snow firmed over the top - much solider hold than any vertical peg. One or two of these in the windward direction and snow pegs elsewhere works well for most situations. The big advantage of aluminium snow pegs is lightness and compactness - more important if backpacking rather than car camping.
     
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    Raury Endless Winter Endless Winter

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    Cheers Graham.
     
  15. stony

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    many thanks for the input guys (no pun intended [​IMG] ) How deep is a good depth for the 'deadman' Graeme?
     
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    Small sized stuff sacks work well as deadman's, just fill them with snow dig a hole tie the guy ropes to them and bury them.
     
  17. Raury

    Raury Endless Winter Endless Winter

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    wombles, didn't you find that the metal ones split if you try and use them on hard(ish) ground?
     
  18. Graeme

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    depends on how the snow consolidates when firmed down (i.e. stomped on with a ski boot), but say 25cm
     
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  19. stony

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    Yeah, ta, that's about what I had in mind. I'm trying to coincide my trip with a tag-a-long so I'm not a lone vehicle and then peel off the group later in the day for the camp site. This'll be my first snow camp so I'll let you all know how I go.
     
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    Raury Endless Winter Endless Winter

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    Ahhh, OK.

    That's why I had the plastic ones. They can be used in hard(er) ground.

    Now to find low temp, plastic pegs. *hello google*
     
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    OK. so I'm looking for low temp plastic pegs with holes.

    I suppose the thinness of the alloy ones might help, though I always thought that the fatness of the plastics ones would sort of wedge them in loose material.

    Hmmm, maybe if they had a rough surface. What would the optimal surface be? small surface structure (like griptape), or a more crystal like surface, say up to 1 or 2 mm in size?
     
  22. Graeme

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    Now I recken a reverse T looks like....T
    can you clarify, Wombat
     
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    I like the deadman idea - I find on my WE tent that the snow pegs on each end which tension the tent have a tendency to slide up and out of the snow.

    The snow pegs are also pretty heavy - 9 of them weight about 300g. So going on a memory I have grabbed some practice golf galls and tied a tiny sling on each. The idea is to bury them, and the holes bind to the snow.

    anyone done this? am I being stupid? (from memory its what people do in Canada...)

    (it certainly sounds stupid written here...)
     
  24. Graeme

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    an inverse T then - same as I use at times
     
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    I tried this on Feathertop last week. It works okay for deep snow and for long guys where you can push the balls in deeply, but for anchors close to the tent (ie, right at the corners) it was more difficult, and I resorted to pegs.

    Also, pegs are much easier to remove if the snow turns to ice. I ended up chopping the balls out with an axe.

    sjm
     
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