Snow industry on brink of collapse after second winter of COVID-19 lockdowns and no trade

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After two consecutive winters with limited domestic trade and no international tourists, Australia's snow industry is on the brink of collapse, according to industry experts.
 

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After two consecutive winters with limited domestic trade and no international tourists, Australia's snow industry is on the brink of collapse, according to industry experts.
The State govs will have more care for opening the Casinos and gaming machines from pubs to clubs before they would bother with ski resorts. They are already delaying the second harbour tunnel crossing and northern beaches link because of lack of funds in NSW.
 

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Last winter there was no govt support for off-mountain snow businesses in Victoria other than what was available to other non-hospitality and non-accommodation businesses. This year in Vic the state govt has come good for regional snow businesses. Thanks to the SIA and NRA. As a result, I will survive. I'm fortunate in that I'm able to live off the smell of an oily rag. Others aren't able to.
Of more immediate concern in this region is the inability of the mountain to find employable people - too many checks at the applicants expense before they even get an interview. If we hadn't had the pandemic, the mountain would still have had restricted numbers because of this.
 
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After two consecutive winters with limited domestic trade and no international tourists, Australia's snow industry is on the brink of collapse, according to industry experts.

Pretty misleading headline. The snow industry is not on the brink of collapse but agree the retailers and other associated businesses must be doing it so tough. The ski resorts themselves will be fine with their $195 lift passes etc
 

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Pretty misleading headline. The snow industry is not on the brink of collapse but agree the retailers and other associated businesses must be doing it so tough. The ski resorts themselves will be fine with their $195 lift passes etc
I read it that there is more a problem with the supports to the resorts, not the actual resorts. i.e. Accommodation, pubs/restaurants and ALL other businesses.
 

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After two consecutive winters with limited domestic trade and no international tourists, Australia's snow industry is on the brink of collapse, according to industry experts.

Clubs are certainly doing it tough, and will continue to struggle with the ongoing economic impacts of two long covid winters. And then there's insurance and rates... I hope no clubs are forced to fold.

Thanks for sharing, TC.
 

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They are already delaying the second harbour tunnel crossing and northern beaches link because of lack of funds in NSW.

This is great news. Expensive new underground motorways are highly regressive developments. They're becoming like the coal-fired power stations of the urban realm - the sooner we convert to more sustainable transport, the better it is for everyone.
 

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I read it that there is more a problem with the supports to the resorts, not the actual resorts. i.e. Accommodation, pubs/restaurants and ALL other businesses.
Related retailers across the nation that feed ski people's requirements for snow gear , ski travel arrangements etc. have all been hit badly.
Country towns such as : Marysville; Mansfield ; Mt. Beauty ; Bright ; Jindy ; Erica ; Omeo ; and so on have had dreadful bush fires then two ski seasons down the S bend with the Kung Flu.
Things are not going well for these ski related towns that need cashed up visitors.

I spent over $1000 on a new Tele mark ski setup ( skis/ boots/ bindings being fitted etc. ) at EMC in May / June 2021. I was trying to support my favourite ski shop during a bad time.
I am not sure there are many Lib Labs at Federal or state levels that actually ski so IMHO they don't get it.
 

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Related retailers across the nation that feed ski people's requirements for snow gear , ski travel arrangements etc. have all been hit badly.
Country towns such as : Marysville; Mansfield ; Mt. Beauty ; Bright ; Jindy ; Erica ; Omeo ; and so on have had dreadful bush fires then two ski seasons down the S bend with the Kung Flu.
Things are not going well for these ski related towns that need cashed up visitors.

I spent over $1000 on a new Tele mark ski setup ( skis/ boots/ bindings being fitted etc. ) at EMC in May / June 2021. I was trying to support my favourite ski shop during a bad time.
I am not sure there are many Lib Labs at Federal or state level that actually ski so IMHO they don't get it.
I concur, except, I think there are a lot of Lib/Labs at all levels that actually do visit the mountains. It's just that they have more important things on their minds atm, like saving lives AND keeping their own jobs.
 

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I can't see any support happening, 40,000 jobs in the education sector, and not a single care is given, unless it's for 300 coal jobs, so a measly 20,000 in the snow industry, sadly, Mr. John "Pork" Barilaro and his mates might see it as an opportunity to swoop in and buy up some cheap commercial real estate before the big new development plans are approved.. by him.
 

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I can't see any support happening, 40,000 jobs in the education sector, and not a single care is given, unless it's for 300 coal jobs, so a measly 20,000 in the snow industry, sadly, Mr. John "Pork" Barilaro and his mates might see it as an opportunity to swoop in and buy up some cheap commercial real estate before the big new development plans are approved.. by him.

Agree. The VE/HE sector in education has been broken for years and is bleeding $$$. Surely Health, Education, environment etc get funding before in 115th position (the Ski industry) gets their allocated $
 
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I can't see any support happening, 40,000 jobs in the education sector, and not a single care is given, unless it's for 300 coal jobs, so a measly 20,000 in the snow industry, sadly, Mr. John "Pork" Barilaro and his mates might see it as an opportunity to swoop in and buy up some cheap commercial real estate before the big new development plans are approved.. by him.
Logging jobs in Vic. come well before education, hospital and ski sector jobs. We know to whom the Lib Labs answer to . It is not really what public need is. It is what their donors/masters want done.

Anyway I will be spending money in VIC & NSW in the 2022 ski season and trying to catch up on all the lost XC ski kms and turns over the past two ski seasons.
 
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This is great news. Expensive new underground motorways are highly regressive developments. They're becoming like the coal-fired power stations of the urban realm - the sooner we convert to more sustainable transport, the better it is for everyone.
That's the solution.
All the snow companies need to do is re-register as fossil fuel mining companies and the government will just throw millions of dollars at them without any oversight - even if they don't need it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09...ith-pitt-gas-company-beetaloo-basin/100459900
 

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Pretty misleading headline. The snow industry is not on the brink of collapse but agree the retailers and other associated businesses must be doing it so tough. The ski resorts themselves will be fine with their $195 lift passes etc
Not in NSW maybe. They had a reasonably OK season last year, at least compared with Vic. And this year, they had Canberra until the ACT lockdown.
 

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The situation in the NSW Snowies went to pot this year when Sydney got locked down. While they managed to get by with Canberra and the regions up until mid-August, retailers and hospitality operators I spoke to stated that they were just surviving. This is on top of reduced numbers last year due to physical distancing restrictions, and the wipe-out of the summer trade in 2019-2020 thanks to the bushfires.
 

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That's the solution.
All the snow companies need to do is re-register as fossil fuel mining companies and the government will just throw millions of dollars at them without any oversight - even if they don't need it.

Or they could argue that we need public subsidies for ski lifts, because these 'essential services' are bulk consumers of our publicly subsidised coal-fired power production. If we stopped running the ski lifts, then the power grid would explode.
 

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Or they could argue that we need public subsidies for ski lifts, because these 'essential services' are bulk consumers of our publicly subsidised coal-fired power production. If we stopped running the ski lifts, then the power grid would explode.
What about running ski lifts from teams of ten people per lift on exercise bikes generating power through the pedals with dynamos or some such ?. It could provide extra jobs! ;-P. They could have split shifts so the pedals never stop turning and excess power could be stored in a battery.
 

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Or they could argue that we need public subsidies for ski lifts, because these 'essential services' are bulk consumers of our publicly subsidised coal-fired power production. If we stopped running the ski lifts, then the power grid would explode.
Ski lifts are public transport. No one could argue about that! :thumbs:
 

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The situation in the NSW Snowies went to pot this year when Sydney got locked down. While they managed to get by with Canberra and the regions up until mid-August, retailers and hospitality operators I spoke to stated that they were just surviving. This is on top of reduced numbers last year due to physical distancing restrictions, and the wipe-out of the summer trade in 2019-2020 thanks to the bushfires.
They actually did OK over summer after the fires, people came back big time, until Covid hit, remember the bring an esky ads? And they also did quite well last winter, though not everyone.

This season was probably much harder. Also they were geared for the BIGGEST season ever on bookings (and elevated pricing on everything) I think up to 40% on the previous best season was forecast. This also had many people freaking out about the numbers. So it went from Hero to Zero, literally.
 

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Got an email from one of those auction companies this morning, based in Vic. A good number of new skis, boards, boots, bindings etc being auctioned by lot. Looks like somebody has gone belly up :cry:
Nah. I got the same email. The parent company took over distribution of that brand, with the old importer’s son now acting as their agent. Previous importer dumping the last bits of stock he had left over, I got emails with stock lists from him a few months ago.
 

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Nah. I got the same email. The parent company took over distribution of that brand, with the old importer’s son now acting as their agent. Previous importer dumping the last bits of stock he had left over, I got emails with stock lists from him a few months ago.
certain joint in the city loaded up apparently
 
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Apologies, turning th this into another SG - Lockdown rant!:whistle:

As someone who’s been a regular mountain visitor, summer and winter since 85’, I find this news gut wrenching. It’s terrible to think the businesses we’ve known and supported, developed friendships with managers, May not exist in a year or two.

Just echoing Mr T, but our collective big parties, Lib/Nat and Lab, continually let certain industries down, while propping up others. We’ve discussed tourism, arts and the tertiary sector missing out completely. How blinkered is that?

Here in Glen Eira, SE Melbourne, it’s usually full of students, some shorter-stay but some becoming residents and being long-term contributors to the economy. While not all have fled. What’s the effect of their exodus? I know our local cafes are really struggling for staff as a result. Will opening up international flights and attracting students change this? I confess here that less pressure from rising rents actually assists my family.

Another good example of the indifferent Govt. at the federal level is the Abbott / Hockey decision to cut subsidies to the motor vehicle industry. It was costing us ~ $1 billion per year (from memory). While it sounds a lot, other nations were spending much more, and provided us with an important heavy manufacturing, and R&D base. Once lost, it’s very hard to recover, especially the manufacture ring side.

Instead we spend many tens of billions on submarines, much of it going on renewing our shipping capabilities, particularly Adelaide. While on one hand that’s great for trades, R&D, it comes at a much greater cost than the assistance to our car vehicle industry. Another case of our Governments sorting sectors into worthy and unworthy.

I won’t rant on fossil fuels and mining vs, renewal - but we all get the picture!

Anyway, before I end my spiel, I’ll mention ski clubs. Ours is one of the larger ones based mainly in Vic. It scrapped by last year (winter) but they mentioned we were close to losing many of the smaller ones, already reeling from fires, rapidly increasing fixed costs of compliance like insurance, etc…

I hate to think what this second bad year means to all our ski clubs. If many fold, it will cut access to many of the lower-income segments of the ski community. A lot of ski history disappears if clubs fold.
Much like when local retailers go.

It’s easy to be a hopecaster but I hope States and Feds can lift a finger and do the right thing for our struggling sectors. I for one would happily forego my small share of the big new income tax cuts (~$14 bill p.a). I drink too much coffee anyway! :rolleyes:

We really are a stupid country in so many ways!
 

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We really are a stupid country in so many ways!

Especially since the submarines are just one stupid marketing man's "captain's call" to spend unspecified billions of public money while signing away our national sovereignty, all so that he can try to hide his rorts and failures by playing up fear and war.

Climate change - "we won't do anything unless we know what it costs".

Submarines - "we'll do whatever we want and don't care to know what it costs".

The choice for us is to either continue the stupidity in voting for them or that other stupid mob, or vote for a sensible independent - someone who'll listen to us when we tell them our volunteer club community is hurting.
 

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Especially since the submarines are just one stupid marketing man's "captain's call" to spend unspecified billions of public money while signing away our national sovereignty, all so that he can try to hide his rorts and failures by playing up fear and war.

Climate change - "we won't do anything unless we know what it costs".

Submarines - "we'll do whatever we want and don't care to know what it costs".

The choice for us is to either continue the stupidity in voting for them or that other stupid mob, or vote for a sensible independent - someone who'll listen to us when we tell them our volunteer club community is hurting.
There is a much greater global picture occurring.
Globalism is being shut down.
China is the current global manufacturer.
China is going back to Maoism.

Read more into it. We need to form old and reliable alliances.
 

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There is a much greater global picture occurring.
Globalism is being shut down.
China is the current global manufacturer.
China is going back to Maoism.

Read more into it. We need to form old and reliable alliances.

Nah, don't buy it. We can fear the stuff that might occur, but then we end up in an expensive arms race while the world burns. Or we can take the high road, keep our defences non-nuclear, and not inflame the situation. The Kiwis are doing it right.

What we should be doing is facing up to the certain imminent threat that we know we can deal with - as long as we deal with it wholeheartedly - and our regenerate our environments and communities.

Besides, taking delivery of some new subs in the 2040's isn't going to make one bit of difference to China today.

The entire charade is only about Scotty trying to market the next election on his terms.
 

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Nah, don't buy it. We can fear the stuff that might occur, but then we end up in an expensive arms race while the world burns. Or we can take the high road, keep our defences non-nuclear, and not inflame the situation. The Kiwis are doing it right.

What we should be doing is facing up to the certain imminent threat that we know we can deal with - as long as we deal with it wholeheartedly - and our regenerate our environments and communities.

Besides, taking delivery of some new subs in the 2040's isn't going to make one bit of difference to China today.

The entire charade is only about Scotty trying to market the next election on his terms.
Many here hope Scotty is gone within 12 months and that someone with a brain is in charge.
 

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Nah, don't buy it. We can fear the stuff that might occur, but then we end up in an expensive arms race while the world burns. Or we can take the high road, keep our defences non-nuclear, and not inflame the situation. The Kiwis are doing it right.

What we should be doing is facing up to the certain imminent threat that we know we can deal with - as long as we deal with it wholeheartedly - and our regenerate our environments and communities.

Besides, taking delivery of some new subs in the 2040's isn't going to make one bit of difference to China today.

The entire charade is only about Scotty trying to market the next election on his terms.
If you think this is about our next federal election only...oh dear. o_O
 
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Significant ski gear sales offerings from the large local outlets (end of season) and from the American and European retailers (season start) at the moment - larger discounts than normal - suggesting a need for larger sales volumes because of the lockdowns….
 
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