Snowfields larger than those of switzerland

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  1. damian

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  2. Heinz

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    An oft repeated claim, though not heard so much more recently. Never really understood the basis for it either. Just guessing it is the total area potentially under snow in winter. A fairly meaningless claim even if it were possibly true - has anyone actually tried to verify it? Possibly also made when Australia has more reliable snowfall that we get now. Plus it is considerably flatter than Switzerland. I don't think anyone really takes it seriously
     
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    I'm certainly not trying to ridicule it, just wondering what the definitions were (are).
     
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    If you count grass and dirt as snowfields, then it is a bit easier to comprehend
     
  5. damian

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    CH is a small country, and mountains do not cover all of it.
     
  6. Donza

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    i've heard the same comparison for NZ
     
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    I wouldnt be surprised if someone said The resort of zermatt was roughly the same size as hotham, falls and bulleer combined
     
  8. damian

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    NZ certainly has a larger area covered with snow mountains than does CH

    /may regret that un-researched confident assertion.
     
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    And then some.
     
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    No bad on Vic, in reality the main range isn't terribly large, as Heinz says the area for potential snow is irrelevant, but if it were, Vic would probably have a larger area than nsw.
     
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    I'm just amazed at how much snow is in that vid. Epic. Looks like Japan.
     
  12. PiniPowPow

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    that movie was so good, never seen it before
     
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    I love the old hills hoist and the woman hanging out clothes while it's snowing. [​IMG]
     
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    Nice film, but it really should have been called The roof of NSW, as it was almost all NSW. There was nothing on Tasmania or Victoria except for a still shot of Feathertop at the start and one of the old Hotham Heights Chalet towards the end.

    But it was fun to watch. [​IMG]

    Click here for a film of skiing in Victoria in 1927. Mostly Mt Donna Buang, but there's a bit at Hotham too. [​IMG]
    https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150769984840083
     
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  15. Morino

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    Looks like a lot more snow back then
     
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    It's wonderful seeing myself and family again back in the days! [​IMG]
     
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    Those are just the eaves. [​IMG]
     
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    On a really good dump, you could ski from Bullshead in ACT, to the end of the Pilot area. In the 70's my old man skied to Bluewaterholes from there, and said it would have been easily possible. That would be nearly 100ks as the crow flies (faark, faark) well over on skis.

    But skiing in the Brindies is already disappearing. I have been skiing them since 1976, and it aint anything like it was even 15 years ago. Although 2008 was pretty good up there, someone posted some shots from a TR to Ginini, that had everyone comparing it to Japan. Cant remember the last time I saw it linked to the MR with snow, but I have seen it. If that then linked to Vic (but I dont think it ever has) you would be looking at a huge area. As it is, if you added up the acreage under snow after a big dump.....

    Can someone with no life do that for us please?
     
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    I dont mind narkiness.

    I like people with no life, they have time to do stuff I wish I could.
     
  22. Mr. Mook

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    Kosciuszko NP and Alpine NP together cover an area apporximately 13,500sq km.
    Switzerland is about 41,000 sq km. The mountains make approximatley 60% of its area or roughly 24,500 sq km

    Even if you included snow areas outside the Aust parks and exluded the bare peaks from Switzerland, I can't see that those numbers would ever come close enuff for the claim to be true.

    Just seems to be one of those nice sounding publicity blurbs that was impossible to prove either way at the time.
     
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    Ah, the good old days.

    When I were I wee lad in Canberra, our house used to get completely buried in snow each winter and Lake Burley Griffen was a fantastic ice rink. [​IMG]
     
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    That is absolute gold.

    Made me want to fire up the flux capacitor, hop in the delorean and set the time back to 1957!
     
  25. Red_switch

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    Pretty normal to refer to the highest mountain areas of any nation/continent as "The roof of [insert name here]". Kinda like me complaining that people saying the same of the Mt Cook Range/Central Southern Alps are ignoring the Takitimus.
     
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    That old bit about more snow than Switz was commonly quoted when I was young. No easy way to prove it at the time, no one questioned it, we all knew Australia was big.
     
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    Still holds easily for NZ [​IMG]
     
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  28. weerab

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    I think they were referring to skiable snow. Switzerland may have more snow but it's too steep to ski or at least it was back in the day.
     
  29. BenLomond Iceman

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    I a pretty sure they mean the total skiable area of the australian alps (snowies) is greater then that of the swiss alps..(not just ski area boundaries) but off piste and backcountry which is a huge area Probably true when you consider the flat australian alps compared to the peaks and steep unskiable terrain of swiss alps.. i remember reading somewhere maybe on another thread that the year they made that movie it was a massive winter the biggest for decades!
     
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    I would LOVE to take a skido around the aus range. backcountry was fun but its sloooow going.
     
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    Following form what Weerab and BLB suggest - CH is also heavily glaciated and in those days glaciers may have been neglected as "ski fields"??

    It is one thing to wonder about what the definition of "ski fields" is, but I also winder who determined it? Was in an Australian who said "steep and glaciated terrain in Switzerland can not be classified as ski fields". Or was it a European who made that determination when commenting on the useable surface area of Australian snow country?

    Mils - [don't take this as me preaching] you need to slowness of human-powdered backcountry travel to let it seep deeply into your spirit, which is in the end the whole point of being out there. Mechanised speeds deprive us of that raison d'être (sorry for the French). Human-powdered backcountry travel is slow in terms of time to cover distance each outing, and also frequency of outings that see something new. So it allows the mountains to form a place inside you very gradually over time, both on the day of the trip, and also through repeated trips that slowly put the pieces together. With mechanised travel - the more you look at, the less your see.
     
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    I guess Damian you haven't played in fresh pow on a big powerful snow machine, it's just as much of a rush as skiing the same conditions. I do understand and agree with what you mean about the quiet and peace of winter backcountry travel, but from a purely recreational point of view, sledding is a ton o' fun too.
     
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    You forget Tassie.
     
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    You are right, I have not. And I am sure it is fun as a motorised recreational point of view. It just doesn't add anything to the backcountry experience other than being able to look quickly at more in a short period. Done elsewhere, away from recreational mountaineers and skiers, I am sure it is a blast.

    Teckel - my gut says that they were not counting Tasmanian snow areas.
     
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    In that video what is the area shown at 1;44?
     
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    Skidoos are ****ing horrible on anything other than fresh soft snow.
     
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    not sure WJ but i would guess Tooma, or Tumut 1 just going off the landscape. But could also be Talbingo as it has narrow valley where the river used to run.