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- Jul 28, 2010
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nicole2292 said:Many people on here are complaining about this problem, I have been one of them. However, I'm keen to do something about this issue for the benefit of all those affected.
I have not had a satisfactory response from Mt. Hotham Resort Management Board with regards to this matter so I am going to collect some more information with the aim of taking this further.
IF YOU ARE AFFECTED THEN PLEASE COMPLETE MY ONLINE SURVEY HERE: http://www.snowchainsurvey.info/
Please share this link on facebook and with anyone you know who has been negatively affected by this ruling.
Hopefully with some real information gathered in one location we can put together a complete and compelling argument.
Please PM me if you want to help out. Nothing will change if we don't work together on this matter.
snowtyres said:Mount Hotham Resort Management Board will not permit the use of any form of "spider chains" because of performance, operational and safety issues.
"Diamond pattern chains are now mandatory for all vehicles entering the Mount Hotham Alpine Resort. Ladder chains, spider chains and snow socks are not permitted to be used at any time. "
In our local market "Spider Chains" (Rud Centrax, Volvo Centrax, Thule K-Summit, Konig K-Summit and Land Rover Spikes Spider) are generally used on summer tyres and wheel/tyre combinations that have insufficient clearance to fit conventional chains and on wheel/tyre combinations applications where the vehicle manufacturer does not approve fitting of any snow chains.
This type of snow chain should only ever be fitted to a winter tyre. There are always issues when this type of snow chain system is used on high performance 2WD or AWD "summer" tyres, this is mainly due to the width of the "traction bars" of the spider chains, as they are only 90 mm wide, maximium 110 mm on the very largest sizes.
The "spider chain" will grip to the snow/ice but the tyre can slip or spin inside the spider chain as there is no way the chain can be "tightened" on to the tyre. The chain is always "loose" by design to provide the automatic-drive away fitting and easy removal features. The problem is compounded by the camber of the road, the weight and torque of the vehicle and the amount of tread on the tyre that is not covered by the chain. The problem is worse when the vehicle has been parked over night, or longer, at the resort because of the low ambient temperature makes the tyres harder and therefore has even less grip to the chain.
There is no warranty/guarantee from the snow chain makers, Rud, Konig and Thule if snow chains are used on a tyre and wheel combination that is not approved for fitting snow chains by the vehicle manufacturer.
Barras, if you post your vehicle make, model and tyre size will check to see what options are available.
Hotham can have 2wd vehicles fitting chains 5k before they even might be required. A small patch of ice any where will trigger the sign going up.Dr. Wood Duck said:How much dry tarmac ?
"(m) This season permit authorises the permit holder to bring a vehicle into the Mt Hotham Alpine Resort a maximum of 2 times between the hours of 2am and 7pm. Multiple entries outside of the before mentioned times are permitted. Contact the Resort Management to apply for a written exemption if multiple entries into the resort are required between the hours of 2am and 7pm (changed for 2013)."
nicole2292 said:Hi Dr. Wood Duck,
You are right, all chains are not designed for use on dry tarmac, even diamond chains will wear in this situation. However that is a problem to address with Mt. Hotham and their placement of the chain fitting signs.
teckel said:Nicole, I don't think option 1 is acceptable, because it only caters to current Hotham skiers. Surely Hotham wishes to attract new skiers and skiers from other resorts. They will be the ones who get caught out - the very ones they want.
nicole2292 said:Hi Snowtyres,
I am interested in what other options you have available which will not cost a lot.
My vehicle is a 2006 Audi A4 Avant. The wheels are 235/45 17.
According the Thule fit guide the K-summits are the only option, these chains are what currently I own.
So please do let me know what options you have available, other than changing the wheels over completely, which involves a MASSIVE COST (I have received quotes of $1200-$1500).
Lastly I'm not interested in the Audi winter wheels program.
Looking forward to your reasonably priced alternatives for my Audi A4.
snowtyres said:Link to full 2011-12 Mount Hotham Annual Report.
MAC said:As a result of Mt Hotham's decision to ban spider chains, I am now finding it very difficult to get chains to fit on the front wheels.
As I can't fit diamond chains to the front wheels (due to clearance problems), what about if I were to fit the diamond chains to the back wheels. (the car is a Volvo XC60 AWD) as I don't have the same clearance problems on the rear wheels.
I know chains are supposed to go on the front wheels (but if they don't fit)
Still looking for a solution.