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cablehead

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Just finished a terrific sprint up to Spion Kopje ( at the entry gate for falls)......1.45 hrs up ..1hr down...... via Howman Gap....other than having to cross the river below Howman Gap, this would seem a great route up to gullys of Spion Kopje in winter.

Anyone here with winter experience of this route.

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what am I? Non-salaried Moosh cartographer??

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cablehead

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Great scale VSG Ta!
Yeah sidetrack...I was able to rock hop over the creek on the way up.....but coming down it was pouring rain and the rocks where too slippery to do that feat again...only 30cm deep ...but in winter? No cable or rope at the crossing although it looks like there might have been at some stage.
 

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Often thought about it. Never done it.

Reached the gullies and back in a day trip from Falls one day. There has to be an easier way.
 

cablehead

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VSG the whole area is now covered with 4 to 6 foot regrowth..your suggested route will be very difficult!

The track I took is ok just steep for a km coming out of the creek on the SK side. Where it hits the 4wd track at around 1400m it would be easy sking up and down. The 4wd track is fairly clear with an even surface (few rocks)..it wouldn't need much cover to ski it.

Crossing the creek in winter is the issue!

Still a great day trip from falls.
 

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In addition to Cablehead's dense regrowth (mostly woolybutt) there are also lots of burnt logs lying in random directions, which really makes things interesting. This makes it hard even for those masocists who usually enjoy a bit of off track scrub bashing.

Ditto what everyone says about "The Creek" (it's actually "The Rocky Valley Branch of the East Kiewa River"), even at this time of year when it's at its lowest and warmest, crossing it is quite a "character building" experience.
 

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It is a great hill. One August in the early 90's we camped on top and let off a hell of a lot of fireworks at 9:00. Meanwhile a friend at Falls Creek was taking bets that something strange would happen 'on that hill over there' at 9:00. I think he made about $15!

Not really worth it for all the work, but totally worth it as a silly act of youthful folly.
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Ah, the wonderful distant days of being an adolescent and doing stupid things just for the hell of it!
 
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Any aproach that involves crossing the creek is to much of a risk during winter. You then still have a major slog up a steep hill. The most consistant way is via Heathy spur then ski down to the bottom of Baker spur (bellow edmonsons) and then accross to SP. Takes about 4-5 hours with packs in anything but the worst conditions.
 

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Thus? which line? I think your description implies the blue line. Pink seems easier, yet longer. Never mind the innacurate placement by the map software of significant landmarks.
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The alternative routes have very dense stands of wood and or fallen timber. A right pain with ski gear.

Also there are sections that are steep, real steep. Doable in Summer but possible trecherous in Winter.

All doable but had work.

The creek/river is the easy bit.
 

sidetrack

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From where Heathy Spur is on the map head down and up the left side of the creek to the right of Baker Spur. Then just follow the pole line around. Way to much timber in Nelse Creek.
 

cablehead

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skifree said:
The alternative routes have very dense stands of wood and or fallen timber. A right pain with ski gear.

Also there are sections that are steep, real steep. Doable in Summer but possible trecherous in Winter.

All doable but had work.

The creek/river is the easy bit.
 
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cablehead

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skifree said:
The alternative routes have very dense stands of wood and or fallen timber. A right pain with ski gear.

Also there are sections that are steep, real steep. Doable in Summer but possible trecherous in Winter.

All doable but had work.

The creek/river is the easy bit.
Well if the creek is the easy bit then the route I took via Howmans Gap is a go...45mins max of steeo ascent till you reach the 4wd track the rest is easy...good value access for the rewards....and I reckon a fun day trip.

The other alternatives are too long for a day trip.
 
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sidetrack

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I will even make a call that I (and others)can get there before you do if I leave WC the same time you leave HG and be in a much better condition to ski the rest of the day.

PS Im not trying to be a smart ****.
 

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Not sure why you would drop into Nelse Creek below Edmonsons unless you also drop your pack and have a few runs.

It is quite a long way around to follow the Alpine Walking Track poles. But it is probably the most reliable. You can ski it in even the worst weather.
 

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There's not many ways around it. If you want to enjoy this area it's a multi day trip.

It's doable as a big day but you only get a few runs in.
 

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surveyorcam said:
Not sure why you would drop into Nelse Creek below Edmonsons unless you also drop your pack and have a few runs.

It is quite a long way around to follow the Alpine Walking Track poles. But it is probably the most reliable. You can ski it in even the worst weather.
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No need for an aerial image. But i love the fact that you have one.

Your purple route is through open country the whole way. You would barely have to bend over to get under a tree branch. Wasn't the whole thread about fastest bestest access to Spion. Not sure that a scenic trip down through the gully constitutes easiest access to Spion.

Dont get me wrong I love this gully. Perfect corn on the north facing aspect and the south facing aspect colects all the powder blown off Nelse.

Spent many many days in here. Even jumped the open creek a few times which is good laugh.
 

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By the way. The name is Afrikaans for Little Head (or Spy Head?), the name of a hill where we LOST a battle in the Boer War. It is the second most common name for a hill in Victoria after "Sugarloaf". :nerd:

Ask a Dutchman or Seth Efrikan for the correct pronunciation, but from memory it's something like Spee-on Kop-yer.
 

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Agreed good spring skiing off baker spur down to nelse north ck. Theres a nice big run south off spion kopje around where the eastern most +spion kopje is.
 

sidetrack

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Ok, so where are the other SP's. I know the one on the Wellington Plains. Anyone else, we should be able to keep VSG busy for a while.
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sidetrack

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The reason I drop into the creek is it is a fun run and more often than not I camp down in the trees (its no more than an hour to anywhere from there). Baker spur catches heaps of snow or if there has been a freeze it gets the first sun hence softens up. The east side of the spur is also sheltered from more wind than most slopes.

The diffrance between dropping down and heading to the pole line is only about 60 vert meters of climbing. My route down through the creek and up to about pole 825 is 2691m with about 920m of this down hill. The distance via the pole line is 3390m considerably longer and all uphill with a bit of flat.
 

cablehead

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sidetrack said:
I will even make a call that I (and others)can get there before you do if I leave WC the same time you leave HG and be in a much better condition to ski the rest of the day.

PS Im not trying to be a smart ****.
Ah Sidetrack..your not your namesake....I'll make it my challenge for the winter....remember I'm talking about a day trip to SP so you would have to start at Falls Creek.......
 
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sidetrack

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I dont understand the namesake bit?? Happy to start at FC. WC means windy corner. Again not try to be smart, just done both quite a few times over the last 25 years or so in lots of different conditions.
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cablehead

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Ah...I thought you mean't Watchbed Creek...am I allowed to take a 20 foot ladder to get across the creek!

Re; the namesake...just stirring that you wouldn't be prepared to take my "sidetrack" up SP.......although I see that you like to "sidetrack" when it shortens your route!
 
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