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Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by Toddo, Nov 29, 2006.

  1. Toddo

    Toddo One of Us

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    Anyone use splitboards in oz ?? gotta be better than bootpacking or carrying snowshoes.
     
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    Nope, but I'm researching them for a purchase before next season. What have you learnt?
     
  3. Toddo

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    not much really yet but i am interested. they reckon it only takes 2 minutes to swap from board to skin mode or vise versa. It sure has to beat lugging a board on your back when getting there and riding with snowshoes on your back.

    Have you looked at the DIY voile kit?

    heaps of info on splitboard.com, but i'm sure you would have seen that already.
     
  4. Belly

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    Got mine a couple of seasons back, only had a few days out and zero this year due to crap Vic snow [​IMG]

    I think only a handful have them in Aus.

    For day tripping in Aus snow shoes still preferred due to the short approaches / descents. And I'll often still use shoes on day trips. Plus the hardware makes the board heavy and more suited to general freeriding than freestyle, ie booters. I reckon overnighting is where they come in to their own, that's when every kilo counts and not having to carry board on back is gold.

    If your interested in Prior PM me, I'll put you in touch with the rep. Happy to answer any general questions here although don't think I could add much to the wealth of info on splitboard.com. That's wheere I did all my research.
     
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  5. Azz

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    Yeah I checked the split site, lots of good info there.
    I would love to try one out before I shelled out my $$$.

    I looked at the DIY kit, but my old Burton might be a drama to cut with the three pattern inserts. I'm sure when the saw hit the first one it'd be carnage.
     
  6. tcross

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    splits and AUS arent that great, the distances hiked really arnt worth it for the overall quality of the board. I have ridden on only in hard boots, (a prior split fogot model though, think it was an ATV varient though) and was shite compared to a normal carve orientated board, laterally the board wasnt any where as stiff as if it didnt have the split in it
     
  7. Toddo

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    hmm i just don't like the idea of carrying snowshoes on your back when you're riding. do they get in your way alot/can you notice them? they are pretty bulky tobe riding with.

    cheaper option than going split board though i guess
     
  8. Azz

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    I've ridden with the Yowie snow shoes on my pack, didnt know they where there till I took a tumble. [​IMG]
     
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  9. kidporsche

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    I don't have a problem riding with shoes on my pack.

    I did meet a guy in Japan who had a split that he rode in oz. He said you really needed the crampons when it got icy, but otherwise it was good.
     
  10. iGlenn

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    Have there been any advances in splitboard design recently which would make the above less relevant.

    I've heard verbal reports from a friend of a friend that they weren't much chop and not worth the money. Of course, you get a much different opinion over at splitboard.com.

    And given the cost of them (around $1,000USD from a quick search) they would want to be just as good as a normal board for my money!
     
  11. Angus_McCrory

    Angus_McCrory Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Caboose is making a split board ATM. He's taken the saw to some old boards and is just wating for the kit to arrive from the US.
     
  12. Caboose

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    i was going to post a thread later when i was finished, just in case it didn't work out

    but this is the practise one

    i have the Voile Split decision kit on order, but the guy i'm going through is taking his time getting sent [​IMG]


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    Step 1
    File groove into metal edge (to stop saw blowing and edge etc)

    [​IMG]

    Step 2
    Masking tape area down centre of board (to stop board splinttering)

    Step 3
    Draw centre line for cut and mark cutting guide line, Clamp Board
    [​IMG]

    Step 4
    Cut Board
    [​IMG]

    The Result

    [​IMG]
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  13. Caboose

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    The Board i want to split is my Old Never Summer Premier 159

    i have got it all set up

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    just waiting on the order to be sent then i'll let it rip
     
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  14. Caboose

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    i'm more of the opinion of not carrying my snowboard on my back to hike out
     
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  15. Untele-whippet

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    Hey Caboose,
    If you order direct from Voile, you'll have your kit in a week and probably cheaper than thru "the guy".
    I get my binders & release plates direct from them.
    http://www.voile-usa.com
    Cheers
     
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  16. Caboose

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    yeah i know that now

    but this Guy was super quick last time i ordered from the States

    Freight for just the Kit was going to be $70, but i am getting the skins and crampons as well and he has quoted me $75 for the lot so i will wait till his next email

    if not then i'll go direct
     
  17. Untele-whippet

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    Sounds like a bargain!
     
  18. Caboose

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    $75 for freight that is ...
     
  19. Untele-whippet

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  20. Caboose

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    ok

    Split kit & Gear getting shipped Thursday [​IMG]

    means i'll get out there in september and be able to test this
     
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  21. ians 158

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    how much for the kit and gear,postage in au $?
     
  22. Caboose

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    $550 is the total price AUD

    Split Kit, Skins & Crampons + Freight

    i reckon if you don't have an old board i'd just buy a factory split

    either Voile or Burton

    cost about $1100 - $1200USD including skins from someplaces + freight

    Neversummer will split any board in their range for you as well, but i'm not sure how you would go about it from OZ

     
  23. TOFF

    TOFF Im not the messiah Ski Pass: Gold

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    Is this stuff not available in OZ?
     
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    Not At ALL TOFF

    and nobody stocks split boards

    i think wilderness has a few to rent from the 1900's

    but they are carp
     
  26. TOFF

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    Fair enough [​IMG]
     
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  27. John Deere

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    I am surprised you had to ask, almost like you were hoping to get some cheap "hypocrit" type shot at Caboose. Most out of character for you TOFF.
     
  28. TOFF

    TOFF Im not the messiah Ski Pass: Gold

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    Not at all JD, was just interested if they are available in Oz or if I need to look OS for one.
    We wouldn't want people being hypocritical would we?
     
  29. Caboose

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    i thought you were a skier?
     
  30. John Deere

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    Phew, what a relief!

    Golly no!
     
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  31. TOFF

    TOFF Im not the messiah Ski Pass: Gold

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    I have the odd go on a board especially in the backcountry. I like to have a go at lots of snowsports!
     
  32. TOFF

    TOFF Im not the messiah Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'm so glad you have an interest in me JD, I thought you didn't care!
     
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  33. John Deere

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    The interest is in the topic, I know this concept is difficult for you to grasp!
     
  34. TOFF

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    Not difficult for me to grasp at all, please don't carry on. I asked a simple question in this thread which has been answered and clarified.
     
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  35. Angus_McCrory

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    You asked a loaded question with the intent of discrediting someone. However I am happy to continue this discussion elsewhere to not soil this thread full of genuine posts.
     
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  37. TOFF

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    Wow, you must read me like a book. A loaded question, "is this available in Oz" yep, that's loaded alright. I even provided claification of why I wanted to know.

    You then carried on about being a hypocrit, now that deserves your mates post " ROFLMAO ".

    As for discussing elsewhere, I'll post our last Pm's here if you like where you said you will avoid replying to my posts and I said I'll do the same. It didn't take long for you to want to have a crack at me did it?
    That would be hypocritical would it?
     
  38. John Deere

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    Whilst I know posting PM's is a good part of you and your mates past times, it seems you do not read them very well.

    Please stop soiling this thread.
     
  39. TOFF

    TOFF Im not the messiah Ski Pass: Gold

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    Now that is Funny [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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  40. Caboose

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    can a mod clean this last page out of the thread please
     
  41. SimonInAustralia

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    I really don't notice them on my pack when riding.
     
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  42. Caboose

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    well i just cut my Board [​IMG]

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  43. ians 158

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    gutsy effort caboose,i really don't know if i could cut 1 of my boards [​IMG] i would have to buy a old hack that has no history with me.how much material do you think you lost in the cut?has the cut changed the width of the board by much?
     
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  44. Belly

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    Yes what Ians 158 said.

    And another question, what will you do with the inside edges? Seal them up, put a rail in?

    I must admit, I never read those threads and instructions on splitboard.com, I'm not much of a handy man and student days are behind me so I just spent the coin.
     
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    And...does having the inside rail on the factory boards help in handling while in split mode?

    Like in a situation when you have been skinning uphill and get to a slight downhill, rather than taking off your split board and putting it back together for the slight downhill, or having to boot pack it, would the inside rail help in skiing the slight downhill?

    Any other advantages to the inside rail?

    I think you seal up the edge when you split your own board Belly, don't think it would be too easy to DIY a new rail on the inside.
     
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  46. Caboose

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    about 5mm (width of the saw blade) approx 265 mm board at the waist so now about 260mm

    i'll be sealing the edge with either Expoy or Varthane or something similar - i have hear paint and varnish mentioned as well
    a friend in the industry has recommended Technicoll - more flexy

    i have read of some guys doing this if i get bored over summer i might try, but i reckon it would be a hell of a job

    i think i read every thread twice (trawling thru 30 pages of threads or so) that i could find - still needs Nads of Steel to put a circular saw to my board though - nearly couldn't go thru with it [​IMG]

    in touring mode you swap the skis around so the metal edge is on the inside to give some control - also stops lugs taking chunks out of your board
    a factory board i reckon would have more control having both edges and then gives you the option of how you want to tour

    since i can't ski to save my life. if it is a small downhill i'll leave the skins on and snow plow as much as i can
     
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  48. Caboose

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    this dude has a never summer premier too [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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  49. Belly

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    The inside rail, or centre rail in board mode becomes your outside edge's in ski mode. Ie you put the straight edge's to the outside. This primarily helps to provide bite when doing traversing and also helps your ski track straighter. So yeah, if there is no rail some traversing may be a little more difficult than it otherwise would be. Structural rigidity, perhaps having rails may assist here a little as well, dunno

    Again, great stuff Caboose, you'll become the Australian guru on DIY splitting

    And shoes on back never bothered me either but not having them there is much better, and the split is gold for overnighting.
     
  50. Caboose

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    belly this is only temporay i guess

    just for fun and sh1ts and giggles until i have the money to buy a factory made one [​IMG]
     
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