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Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by Toddo, Nov 29, 2006.
You DIY guys are core.
Re sparks, now serving SIA!!
I'm nearly into the double figures
just wait till i face plant skinning up hill
Yep, sending the money on my payday next week.
Have to order the appropriate parts from the Voile Splitboard Interface Kit next, since I don't need the whole kit with the Sparks, and a pair of Tractor Skins.
Don't worry, skinning is like snowshoeing which is like walking, dead easy. On the other hand, little downhill sections in ski mode, now that will test you out.
don't know about core, maybe poor!
i do think it will be liberating cutting a board with 0 days riding down the middle though!
I was thinking of making a seat out of my 2 originals, we're talking 15+ year old snowboards. But killing, sorry modifying a 0 day board, liberating to say the least....
Don't worry, skinning is like snowshoeing which is like walking, dead easy. On the other hand, little downhill sections in ski mode, now that will test you out. [/quote]
Yeah - kind of easy until it gets icy or really steep. Then skinning on split board skis can take on a whole new dimension. I've been in a few tricky situations. Kick turns seem a lot harder also with the split board than with normal skis - and I still haven't mastered the icy traverse with them. Hopefully get to practise a bit soon though!
I'm still way down the Sparks waitlist. Wonder if I'll get them this season?
I've found with an icy traverse. Stomp a bit with the egde and plant a stock under the downhill ski (under the boot) when taking a step with it. I've never used crampons. But have purchased some, hopefully will make it a little easier.
oreo - Are you on skis or a split board? - I've found a huge difference in traversing. Split board is definitely harder, alhtough maybe it's just my lack of technique.
Good points, I still haven't encountered a genuine icy traverse on the split. From what I've read though its never easy, just need the combo of good route planning and crampons I suppose.
I don't mind the kick turns, mind you I'm 6 2 & very long legged
Caboose is NSW based, so I reckon he'd find a skin from Dead Horse Gap in soft conditions pretty easy going as a good intro.
yepo DHG is the 1st session for the split
i have got the crampons too as i know the icey stuff will be hard to ski on
voile gear arrived last night
so are you cutting this weekend?
i think i am gunna head down to berridale/jindy over the weekend so pobly not on the weekend, i might try and do a bit one night this week though.
clean work spaces are for wimps
ready to go
look mum new skis
nice and straight goes back together well.
Thats is all time Toddo!
I have always wanted want a spilt, but i have never had the $ to buy one, and I didn't think i had the skills to split one. Thats is awesome.
How do you reseal the inner edges once you have split?
it's not too hard, all you need is a ruler, a bit of patience measuring, a circular saw and off you go! haha
inner edges will be resealed with epoxy. tossing up whether to lay any fibres of just do a few thin coats of the epoxy.
cuts like butter doesn't it
Goodluck with it Toddo.
Keep the updates on progress coming and looking forward to reports once you get them on snow.
caboose, what did you use over the touring t-nuts? i was going to use p-tex or metal grip, but guys at the shop at cronulla were skeptical that it will hold and suggested epoxy... but epoxy doesn't hold wax...
Do you need anything over them?
My friends doesn't have anything over them, and my new factory split doesn't either.
hmm i guess it would be ok for just the 6 touring bracket nuts, but i am using t-nuts for the pucks as well, because i have heard the pucks can pull off using only the wood screws to hold them on, so there will be around 22 in total (which probly will affect the speed of the board a lot more than 6 for the touring set up only)
My splitter is at home, so can't check now, but it might only be for the brackets that hold the two halves of the factory splitter together, as the pucks and touring brackets use standard snowboard style inserts.
yeah the pucks on "real" splits have thredded inserts alread. the DIY kit suggests you use wood screws to hold the pucks in place (which i have read about pulling out). So i am using extra t-nuts (essentially the same as the factory inserts) instead and was planning to cover them up.
i put some epoxy in 1st to protect/seal the wood then put the t-nuts in
i have heard if you cover them in ptex the skins will just pull the ptex out
the nuts are suppose to be flush with the base (some of mine aren't 100%) was nervous with countersinking
ahh k ... i was thinking mor along the lines of countersinking right down to the coe and then filling the holes like this:
is that ptex or epoxy?
either i think might pop out with the skins - nothing for it to grip to if you know what i mean
plus you want the bolts to have something to bite into
when i was screwing the bolts into the t-nuts they were compressing the wood and sinking in further that is why some of mine aren't 100% level with the base
the ones above are t-nuts that come with p-tex pre glues to them, i can't get my hands on any of these though. It should hold alright with metal grip - or possibly even patching with some base material.
just remember the t-nut bolt length
so howd they go???
spent my first 5 days of the season digging holes in snowshoes and more keen on the splitboards than ever!!
keen to hear any reports from the DIY'ers
No DIY'r but the Spark R&D bindings rock. All but totally eliminate the 'slop' of the Voile system and the crampon interface is so much more functional.
Can't wait to get my new Spark bindings. I finally made it up on the waiting list. Should arrive any day now!!Decided to get the new camp ons too - so if anyone wants some second hand Voile cramp ons (only used once) let me know.
i am waiting for my sparks to arrive before i ride it!
Splitboarders Session - top of the BC forum
talk to me about the Sparks?
it is 1 intergrate binding/baseplate system i gather
do you have to buy this baseplate and binding or does it come as a complete setup
ok so about $350 for compelte setup USD
how much are they charging for freight?
what is the difference between the ignition I & II??
I'm a bit busy to do the math but my order was just under $600 AUS or $550 USD. Order was Ignition II's, crampons, spare pins, 2 Tshirts. Bonus was Will chucks in the original Bent Metal base plates, took them to a local shop and they made up a new set of bindings with spare parts for $70.
Yeah Caboose, basically an intergrated base plate is the key feature of the product. So you don't have that gap between the edge of your bindings and the board. They ride great, if you've tried Voile and then gone to Sparks you'll notice a substantial difference.
Difference between I & II's from what I could see is nicer straps (and they are nice straps) and a bigger highback.
would the vollie pins work with this binding?
what was your need for the extra pins, just spares?
the height of the vollie system has worried me
but then i guess you get your binding of choice
mine was around $520 AUD for the bindings and crampons delivered...
Cabby - Don't worry about binding choice, The ignitions are based on bent metal bindings which are a high end binder that are known to perform and be pretty bomber.
have you gone for the ignition I or II??
yeah i have read good things about the bent metal bindings from splitboard.com
Yeah just spares, we're a long way from the US after all.
Voile pins may work, but the spark pins are pretty cool in so much they have tethers so that your pins are always attached to your binding.
voile pins have a similar tether (short wire cable with a loop that can be attached to the bindings,
caboose wouldnt worry about the added height as its pretty much negligible (<10mm) never caused me any issues, even when riding in a terrain park
my voile pins came with a wire that your wrap around your binding ...
hmmm that BC terrain park
fatnorm you able to make Splitboarders Session??
I have voile pins, have used voile interface since I got my split in 2004, the wire has a loop that if you put on your straps can easily slip off in transition mode if you forget to close your straps. The Sparks tether connects to the straps in a more locked in manner (under the leather sheath on the toe strap) so they are 100% secure whether the toe strap is left open or closed. Trust me, while a relatively minor issue for the functionality, there is no comparison.
ignition IIs mate
form me its more a laziness factor cant be bothered swapping bindings so just ride the splitboard in the terrain park and turn heads
Apparently according to Will the Voile pins are not compatable, so i have also ordered spare pine. My whole order - pins, Ignition II, crampons and spare padding came to $570.
yeah i don't think i have the money atm .....
maybe next year