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Sun Peaks 2020-2021

Discussion in 'Canada' started by Taipan, Apr 21, 2020.

  1. sly_karma

    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I've driven up there for decades, yet I still stop once or twice a year and take a pic of that view. You come over the crest of the pass and boom, there it is shining in the sun with all the chutes and trees and groomers and moguls visible. Pretty sure if you google "real ski hills", this pic pops up. Or it should.
     
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  2. gareth_oau

    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    An incredibly painful decision, but it will still be there next year. Abd if by some miracle, things recover quickly- keep your fingers poised and be ready to hit the go button
     
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  3. Joe

    Joe Near a silver lining

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    The uncertainty makes it hard to plan, especially if you like to take your holidays at a certain time.

    The race is on for a vaccine, many countries are working on it so just have to wait it out :fishing_ubb:
     
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    Booooo. But understandable.

    We are poising for a typically late booking if it becomes possible.
     
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  5. Chalkie

    Chalkie A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Under British Columbia's "restart plan" published today, "international tourism" is a "stage 4" activity, and "conditional on at least one of the following; wide vaccination, 'community' immunity, broad successful treatments". If at least one of these conditions isn't satisfied by season 20-21, as things currently stand, it looks like we won't be welcoming foreigners to BC.

    So fingers crossed that one of the conditions is satisfied sooner rather than later!
     
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  6. Hudson

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    Snow update: (for those who wonder when it all melts) (let's one know how long the season could extend if the interest was there)
    -Lower third of Morrisey is looking thin and bare in spots. This weekend would have been the close for Morrisey. Lots of snow on the upper level but doesn't help the matter of skiing to the chair.
    -Sundance would have been closed last weekend.
    -Sunburst Chair could be used for download but it's now looking patchy on some of the upper slopes. This weekend would be the close for that mountain.

    Thus, in a great snow year such as this was, SPs could have been creative and had a lot of terrain open until May 9.
     
  7. Hudson

    Hudson One of Us

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    Taipan, your prediction is coming true. Possibly one year before the SHTF. AU and AG.
     
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  8. Taipan

    Taipan Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Sure is. Stay safe Hudson! :D:thumbs:
     
  9. Taipan

    Taipan Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Sorry to hear the news Tinks.

    We will ski again

    We also have many ticks to go as well.

    Will the resort open?

    Will the planes be flying?

    Will the borders be open?

    However adapt improvise overcome.
     
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  10. Me+3

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    We've also just had to ask for our deposit back for our accommodation we had booked for mid-January.
    10 nights total. One of the big lodges.
    It was part of a 4 week USA/Disneyland/Canada ski trip holiday we had planned......
    We were travelling with another family from Aus (relatives).
    Devastated.
    As are the wife & kids.
    Let's hope for the future.

    and for the season to be open in NSW ! :thumbs:
     
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  11. Taipan

    Taipan Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Sorry to hear. Next year.

    I fear we will see a lot of this.
     
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  12. Hudson

    Hudson One of Us

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    What will flights be like the next year?
    -seating
    -sanitation between flights
    -beefed up air filtration
    -in flight toilet sanitation
    Will protocol return to normal?
    What will fares be?

    I am hoping we return to the way it was. This will pass as do all pandemics. Takes time.

    Many will not fly. Many will not want to stay in accommodation that was occupied recently.

    Skiing could become a local pastime. If they can drive here, they may come.
    Could very well be a quiet season.
     
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  13. gareth_oau

    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    how did the kids take that?
     
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    2 twin girls..
    11 going on 19...
    say no more :cry:
     
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  15. gareth_oau

    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'm with them, you're a bastard for cancelling LOL

    (apart from Disney of course - spend 2 more weeks on snow!!
     
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  16. sly_karma

    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Eleventeen is a thing!
     
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    Hey I just got to park this here. Has anyone skied Grouse , any good.
     
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  18. Ret-ro

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    We stayed there this year... Booked it for Jan 2022 again for 15 days.



     

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  19. gareth_oau

    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'm guessing Grouse would be incredibly busy on weekends?
     
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  20. sly_karma

    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Stunningly beautiful on a sunny day with the city, Burrard Inlet and the Fraser delta spread out below. Sometimes there is low cloud blanketing the city and the north shore mountains look out over the cloud whilst bathed in sunshine. The skiing itself is ok for a day or two. Snow is what you'd expect, wet and heavy coastal stuff, but it can be plentiful and bases of 300 cm are not uncommon. As with most mid elevation skiing in the PNW, the north shore is vulnerable to rain events and you can find yourself wet and miserable and watching a great snowpack literally going down the drain as the atmospheric river (the system formerly known as the pineapple express) dumps prodigious quantities of moisture. The same system can, with a couple degrees' difference, dump equally prodigious quantities of snow in a very short time, but it will be heavy. On such days, Grouse is the better choice due to tram access being less snow affected than the roads to Seymour or Cypress.

    The novelty of going skiing using ordinary urban public transport is worth it alone. From a downtown hotel you take the sea bus to North Van and then a bus to the tram base. Buy tickets and boot up there or at the top. Terrain is mostly moderate and you can have a nice family day or take some lessons at a lower price than at the full service resorts. In good weather it is a wonderful experience to ski as the sun sets into the Salish Sea and the lighting comes up on the mountain and in the city.
     
  21. Chalkie

    Chalkie A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    This season we found the Vancouver town mountains pretty busy all week, and only went once on a Sunday when there'd been fresh snow (and it was busy). We live 4kms south of downtown, and with a good tailwind and favourable Lion's Gate Bridge conditions, we can be up the top of Cypress within 40 mins. If you're on the North Shore, that becomes 20 mins or less, depending on exactly where you are. So it is incredibly accessible to the ski the north shore ski hills, hence fairly busy. The midweek crowds in good conditions aren't desperate, but it was certainly more than 2 seniors and a telemarker.
     
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  22. sly_karma

    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Same as my drive to Apex, including hitting the drive through for coffee. Lift lines 2-4 minutes. Just sayin.
     
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    chunky Old n' Crusty

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    Nine years in a row is a mighty effort!
     
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    I think post Covid we may see a long lasting change in work practices, more flexible arrangements, WFH etc. That may push more people to mid week activities, like a sneaky half day ski etc. It will be interesting to see how it plays out
     
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  25. Ret-ro

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    Just another shot to keep us interested.. I have dozens.. You know where this is
     
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    Surely there is a reasonable chance that by mid Jan it will feasible to visit SP. Might end up being last minute decisions.
     
  28. Roymond

    Roymond One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    This may be better posted in the covid section but...
    I just sat in a web conference with a few respiratory specialists . There was a talk from one of the immunologists involved in the Australian vaccine trials. His essential theme was that, given their preliminary results and those from others that he has talked to world wide, he would be extremely surprised if there wasn’t one ready by years end or early 2021. Might not be perfect - you could still get Covid- but you would be much less likely to die.
    These guys (not their media /pr people) are normally pretty understated in their claims.
    NH Ski season Maybe back on!
     
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  29. gareth_oau

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    the biggest risk would be travel insurance.
    If you need a car you could book it with zero cancellation charges
    I’m sur you could do accommodation etc But you’d need to pay up front and hope they don’t go bankrupt if you need a ewfund
     
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  30. Lady Penelope

    Lady Penelope One of some lot ... Ski Pass: Gold

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    An interesting read! There is this thread on the forum about Niehues ...

    https://www.ski.com.au/xf/threads/james-niehues-book.83078/
     
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    Lady Penelope One of some lot ... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Personally I think January (or even Feb/March) is highly risky for overseas travel (with the possible exception of New Zealand). North America and Europe are still battling significant outbreaks of COVID-19, and I can’t see them getting this to a level where it’s safe for visitors any time soon. Plus they may also require 2 weeks quarantine for anyone entering the country, then Australia will no doubt insist on 2 weeks quarantine for those returning to our shores. So add 4 weeks in quarantine to your travel plans. Even if a vaccine is available by year’s end, it’s going to take months to produce sufficient quantities to vaccinate pretty much everyone in the world.
     
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    The infection rate in British Columbia has been edging downwards. But BC is still taking a cautious approach. Even other Canadians aren't really that welcome here - BC Parks has announced that camping reservations for the next two months of the summer season are confined to locals (or people who booked before the Covid outbreak). I think Alberta has done something similar. There's currently a 14 day quarantine on arrival in place (compliance monitored by the RCMP). Canada has extended the closure of the US border for non-essential travel into June (and assuming things stay the same there, I wouldn't be surprised if the border remains closed for a long time after that).

    If the current infection trend in BC remains as it does, it's hard to imagine any desire to change that by letting travellers in. Still, some tourist towns are saying they want to welcome visitors back, but just not yet. Things could well change by the winter. It will all depend on what happens in the summer and autumn here I think.
     
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  33. Joe

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    I'm hoping thats the case, however if it's not possible and they open only for a few months say Feb - March, I will be there at some point.
     
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    I was there mid-Feb last year and it was damn fine.
     
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  35. Lady Penelope

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    Fantastic. Ergo, COVID-19 does not strike in February :p
     
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    As has been discussed in the 20/21 thread, international tourism is "Phase 4" in BC's restart plan, https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/...y/covid-19-provincial-support/bc-restart-plan

    To be honest, I think it is unlikely that those criteria will be met in time for 20/21 season. The only hope is that they change the criteria or the plan :( . Thats just the Canadian side of things, we then have to get past the hurdle of the Australian government letting us leave

    Phase 4
    To be determined
    Conditional on at least one of the following; wide vaccination, “community” immunity, broad successful treatments:

    • Activities requiring large gatherings, such as:
      • Conventions
      • Live audience professional sports
      • Concerts
    • International tourism
     
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    Lets hope that those folks working in Labs around the world come up with something. Hearts and minds are with you .
     
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    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo

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    I think the bigger problem will be the forced isolation on return. Canada is still getting over 1000 new cases daily. And have over 30,000 active cases. That number still hasn't peaked.

    The Australian Govt isn't going to care that BC is in good shape, when making regulations on return travellers from Canada.
     
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    That number is mainly eastern Canada (Quebec and Ontario). BC had 18 new cases on Friday, and there is a clear downward trend.
     
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    Phase 4 (A crap shoot)

    Vaccines go through clinical trials. At least you should be concerned if they haven’t. No guarantees either way.

    Herd immunity is difficult to measure when the virus mutates and the tests are not specific to Covid. The PCR test for active cases but what about a reliable test for antigens and antibodies. The debate has not been settled with both false - & + test results.

    All viruses weaken with time as they pass through the population in successive waves or mankind would be wiped out by now. They don’t want to kill the host but just stay alive to continue on.

    We won’t know for years whether governments overplayed their hand. For sure we do know that many small mom and pop businesses have been severely affected to the point of never opening again if the rules are too restrictive.

    From a big picture point of view, there was a financial crisis starting to raise it’s ugly head in the form of debt instruments again last Sept/Oct. It was fortuitous that Central Banks came to the rescue and bought trillions of near worthless bonds to bail out the same characters. A coincidence I’m sure. All done in the name of Covid on the backs of the taxpayer or our grandchildren.

    Phase 4 may not be accomplished by next ski season even though the the threat of illness may be very low with precautions and screenings. Could just be a local ski season in that case and more pain for the ski and tourist operators.
     
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    Here's hoping Conrad is doing Ok.
     
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    Borders are closed to non essential travel, but Alberta plates be everywhere in BC this month, same as usual.
     
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    Our next door neighbour has Alberta plates as they register their cars there at their Alberta property address (much cheaper apparently). I wonder how long that can go on and them retain insurance coverage if the vehicle spends most of its time out of province.
     
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    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Wouldnt like to hear the squawking when their claim is denied. There's a bunch of reasons why insurance is cheaper in AB, this is just one.
     
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    It's mainly to do with ICBC still having a monopoly on insurance though isn't it? For Vancouver I can understand making the cost of car ownership high, traffic is nasty and the transit is great, but it makes little sense once you get out of the city.

    I'm actually amazed nothing has changed in the 10 years since I left. Smalls like an obvious rort. Have to laugh that they offer a "broker" service to help you decide between their products, and their products.
     
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    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I was in an accident last Thursday. Had a touching base email from adjuster Monday, nothing since. Probably will still be faster overall than if we were covered by different insurers. Settlements can take years if there's a hint of a question about fault.
     
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    Are you suggesting that a monopoly provides a faster turn-around on claims? I think you'll find that a market laden with competition provides plenty of incentive to give good service to customers in that area.
     
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    It seems strange that the government wants to create a monopolisitc approach when the insurance industry is well equiped to cover this. I'm surprised the industry isnt protesting?
     
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    I'm sure they do. Some background reading suggests that ICBC is a 30 year old "temporary measure" that they haven't quite managed to get rid of yet. Politics has played a big role in it's longevity I think. BC has it's quirks, when I was working as an IT contractor at BC Hydro in 2010, union reps were allowed to enter the workplace to try and recruit us.
     
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