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Sun Peaks 2020-2021

Discussion in 'Canada' started by Taipan, Apr 21, 2020.

  1. sly_karma

    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    ICBC dates back to the 60s, similar vintage as BC Hydro and BC Ferries. The centre right govt of the day established all three over a couple of terms. The ferries were dysfunctional in private hands as only the high volume runs to Vancouver and the Sunshine Coast were profitable; no one could make money servicing the small fishing and logging communities. Nothing has changed!

    In its day ICBC was the pride of BC, providing reasonable rates because of the no profit basis and relatively lean management. But subsequent governments came to treat it and BC Hydro like an ATM, demanding annual royalties that of course required increased premiums. The previous govt in its 16 years of power became highly dependent on these sums to give the appearance of balanced budgets. They also assigned it full responsibility for vehicle registration, road safety programs, driver licensing and testing. This gives it much larger administrative overhead than a standard insurance company. High running costs plus profits siphoned off to general revenue equals trouble.

    Technically ICBC only has a monopoly on the mandatory third party liability portion of insurance. Fire, theft, collision and other coverages can be provided by other insurers if the vehicle owner wishes. Small comfort as these usually account for only about 25% of annual premiums. I've sought quotes a couple of times over the years and the prices are near identical; ie, not worth the trouble of dealing with two insurers.
     
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    This may sound rather socialistic, but i'd prefer the profits of ICBC's (or any other Gov authority) activities go to the public purse rather than a private purse.
     
  3. Taipan

    Taipan Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    In NSW we need a green slip [third party insurance] and a pink slip for all cars over 5 years to prove they are roadworthy.
    The green slip is automated into registration. The pink slip is automated into registration.
    Registration can be done online, as long as the green slip and pink slip [if required] are complete. Done at home in 10 minutes.

    Owned a car in BC for the last 8 years.

    It just blows my mind that the car can be completely unroadworthy but I must present myself to an ICBC office to register the car. From Sun Peaks to Kamloops a 1-hour return drive in winter.
     
  4. sly_karma

    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    That's how it was intended to be all along of course. If everything else is equal, the govt insurance should cost less because no dividends to shareholders. But as mentioned earlier, government began demanding dividends as well as dumping admin costs on them that no private insurer would ever wear. Add to that the entrenched army of 'brokers' who don't actually broker anything - they deal solely with ICBC - but insist on the necessity of in person insurance renewals to justify their commissions. Oddly, in the time of the virus all those signatures are magically found to be unnecessary! Hopefully the driving public kicks up a stink about this and exposes the unecessary costs in the system.

    Privatisation alone isn't the solution. For-profit corporations can be just as bloated and inefficient as government; neither is automatically better than the other. Government is capable of providing good service at fair price when free of interference. Those who remember the old GIO in NSW before it was turned into a publicly traded corporation in the 1990s know it was both competitive and profitable.
     
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  5. gareth_oau

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    except that time and time againin a competitive market privates typically do it so much better and cheaper than forced government monopolies
     
  6. Taipan

    Taipan Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Hopefully, some might enjoy these panoramas taken this last season.

    They are 3440 x 1100.

    So for monitor backgrounds, they should work ok.

    Top of headwalls



    Top of the world.

     
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  7. Hudson

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    Trying to renew my ICBC auto and trailer insurance the past week over the phone. No luck so far. No return call.

    On another note the bears are now in the village. Came upon a cub at the base of Morrisey. Just turned around as I didn't see Mom and did not want to have a confrontation.

    The neighbourhood Fox came to visit me in the yard the other day. He is quite tame. About 10m away and sat down observing me while I did some landscaping. He had a red squirrel in his mouth.

    The Columbian Ground squirrels are oblivious to humans it appears. Just like the chipmunks that will come right up to you. Hmmmmm.......I think the kids at the school across the street used feed the fox family and the other critters. With the lack of human activity here, nature is starting to take over.

    It appears the International Visa program is on hold presently. SPs may be scrambling to hire lift staff this upcoming ski season.
    Not sure how many regular Aussie SP skiers are returning this upcoming season but many skiers from Ontario are going to give it a pass due to Covid uncertainty. If open it could be a great season for locals. Not so good for the Resort.

    Very wet Spring. Lots of undergrowth. When it dies off there may be a lot of forest fire fuel.
     
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  8. Hudson

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    Just through conversations with other locals, I discovered that many long-term SPers have left the Mtn in the past two years. Sold and moved on. New younger families have moved in. Sadly, like Main Street they missed out on the 20% increase that occurred after they sold. With the possibility to work from home, we may see some young BC workers choose to live and play in SPs. Especially those who work online. My neighbour in Vancouver told me that he can now work anywhere and no longer needs to live in a high rent area. He's a snow boarder and may consider buying a 1 bed condo in SPs. Hmmmmm......and I thought we may be hit with a huge downturn in RE with the Covid fallout. Still may as the locals could lose their livelihood if this persists. Could see young families that move to ski resorts that have a school. A more idyllic place to raise a family. Reminds me of small town Ontario in the 60's. Lots of places to explore and no worries. Turn them out in the morning and back for meals. Those were the days!

    Still a bit of snow visible at the Top of the World.
     
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    Lady Penelope One of some lot ... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Awww. I want a photo of that bear cub! :p
     
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    Better get permission from Momma bear first :eek:
     
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    I remember sitting having a coffee and watching (what I presumed was) a squirrel climbing up a wall and going ihrough an open window into one of the rooms at Sundance, and coming out a short while later with something in its mouth LOL
     
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    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I renewed one of my work vehicles a couple of weeks ago. Phone call to my insurance place to start the process, they sent an email asking me to consent to all the conditions and coverages that normally require a bunch of signatures. A reply with the words 'I consent' was sufficient. Second phone call shortly afterward and we were done. They wanted to mail me the new number plate decals but that is ridiculously slow; I just drove to the office later that day and they dropped the paperwork at the door for me. Fairly easy by ICBC standards.

    I'm amused at how what used to be ESSENTIAL signatures (6-8 per vehicle) are now waived with a two word email because of the virus. We need to push back against this stuff being brought back, this is a return to 'normal' that we don't need. Clearly we never needed it but no one said anything.
     
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    That was pretty much my experience with my renewal at the beginning of May: one phone call to start the process, the rest by email and a proactive follow up call from the broker to check everything went well. The decal came pretty promptly too.

    I lowered a couple of optional coverages because they are covered by other household insurance, but even with that and the much talked about changes to premiums based on the drivers, the price reduction was pretty small - maybe 10% tops.
     
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    the bureaucrats must be hating the coronavirus LOL
     
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    Taipan Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Probably everybody understood.

    But right mouse click on the pictures and then save to your computer somewhere and then you can use them
     
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    Makes one wonder:) Online registration may be the way of the future. I'm just not receiving the returned call.
    Could mail the validation sticker. We could just show the completed paperwork if stopped before the sticker arrives.
     
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    Very wet Spring so far. Pissing down rain, again! Vegetation is growing well. There we be lots of undergrowth to feed fires when it dries out in a few months unless the rain continues.

    Summer grooming will pay off this year.
     
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    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Kamloops on flood watch as both Thompsons are running high. Any significant rain event this week could cause trouble. Big catchments for both branches and still significant snow in the high elevation areas.
     
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    I think that has probably sealed the deal for me to buy a Mountain Collective pass for 20-21. I think there's a real prospect (although not a foregone conclusion) that 20-21 could be a "locals only" ski season, and with Sun Peaks, Revelstoke and Panorama on Mountain collective (as well as Banff and Lake Louise), it looks like that will be the best value proposition for 20-21. If we're able to go further afield to the US, then that will be a bonus.

    I also still have my Whistler season pass credit ($270) to use up, and it looks like the best use of that will be to buy a 10 day restricted (peak holidays blackout) Edge card for Whistler.

    In jest I say that Murphy's law will apply and the season in which BC locals might have their ski resorts to themselves will be a crap snow season, so it won't be all beer and skittles and no one from abroad will be missing out.
     
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    I suspect my next trip will be an SP only and so the early birld season pass still remains the best option for me.
     
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    same....
     
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    Australia says borders likely to stay closed until 2021

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia is unlikely to reopen its border to international travellers until next year but will look to relax entry rules for students and other long-term visitors, Trade Minister Simon Birmingham said on Wednesday.

    Australia has been largely successful in containing the spread of the novel coronavirus, which it attributes to curbs on international travel and tough social-distancing rules.

    Birmingham said a quarantine rule for returning citizens could be applied to international students and other visitors who plan to stay for a long period of time.


    “We can simply work through the 14-day quarantine periods that have worked so well in terms of returning Australians to this country safely,” Birmingham said in a speech to the National Press Club.

    The return of international students will be a boost for universities facing big financial losses with the border closed as international education is Australia’s fourth-largest foreign exchange earner, worth A$38 billion ($26.14 billion) a year.

    Australia has had more than 7,300 cases of the coronavirus and 102 people have died from COVID-19, the disease it causes.


    It recorded its biggest daily rise in new infections in more than a month on Wednesday, with the most of them in Victoria, the second most populous state.

    Victoria reported 21 new cases overnight, of which 15 are returned travellers in quarantine, taking the total tally for the day to 22 cases, with some states yet to report their data.

    Reporting by Renju Jose; Editing by Robert Birsel

     
  25. Joe

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    A season for locals only, unless at some point down the track some countries do direct flights deals like whats being proposed for Auz - NZ.
     
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    Canada continues to say a firm no to reopening of the US border.
     
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    and the electrified, barb-wired wall is currently under construction!!
     
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    Very happy to see this. Thredbo and Sun Peaks and Perisher in the one year. Oh and SIlverstar and Big White
     
  29. Taipan

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    And the summer solstice for Sun Peaks.

    Blue Twilight at 10.27pm

     
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    Gotta love those 16 hour days. Body changes, I'm running on about 6 hours sleep a day this time of year.
     
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    Makes for an awesome road trip.:)
     
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    Keep the hammer down and it's 17 hours to SLC!
     
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    Travel is becoming a distant memory for some. A 14 day quarantine both ways will effectively end spontaneous short-term vacations. This could be true past Jan 2021. We shall see.

    An effective Covid-19 vaccine that works beyond a few months is possibly not a reality. We can hope that the virus mutates to a less virulent form. Very likely. Viruses need to keep the host alive to live. We may be living with a watered down form for months or years to come. When we enter next year's seasonal flu time period, we should expect a more vigilant response by world Health Depts like we have never seen before.

    This was a good test run, if you want to label it. Collectively we have been conditioned to stay home with all the normal activities we previously enjoyed restricted.

    Travelling to the US is rather dicey. The large urban US cities are like a house. If they have not been maintained and are damaged beyond repair, they will need to be torn down and rebuilt. Both political parties have failed and are inciting their adherents to turn on each other. There are no adults running the show. Time to start afresh.

    The same group got bailed out again under the cover of a convenient crisis.

    It will be a quiet year in Sun Peaks.
     
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    Like, but unlike - a somber but realistic assessment. Hoping to be back in 2022 ....
     
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    We are now targeting/hoping for January 22 for our return.

    However, unless a vaccine is found/ or we all carch it and recover beforehand, then travel insurance becomes a big issue. I doubt many here could afford a $50-100k overseas hospital bill if they score COVID while travelling
     
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    I would be more worried about BC and Oz governments policies. BC provincial govt have clearly said no overseas travellers allowed until there is a vaccine, cure or effective treatment. Our government has not elucidated wuite as clearly, but effectively the same restrictions on us travelling.
     
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    what governments say now versus 12 months from now might be entirely different.
    Perhaps they will introduce a quota and queuingsystem. Tourists roll up to the border and as half a dozen leave, the next half a dozen are let in
     
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    Just like Bunnings :rolleyes:
     
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    exactly like Bunnings. Have there been any COVID stats attributed to Bunnings visits yet?
     
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    So note in from the Mayor Al Raine as part of our rates notices.

    Thought many here would appreciate this.

    "The new lift has already arrived in the parking lots and the new Crystal Quad will be in place for next winter".

    "Sun Peaks remains an attractive summer destination for the Pacific Northwest and in addition to our strong winter local and regional markets, we have our loyal Ontario and 'Down Under' winter markets, brighter days are ahead."
     
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    Woke up to this rainbow yesterday after a morning storm moved down the valley.
    Has a tentative date been set for international travel from Australia?
     
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    Not that I'm aware of.....:(
     
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    No. Can’t imagine it will be before 2022, but that’s just me.
     
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    looking more and more likely there will be no Aussies leaving for 2020/2021 season :(
     
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    Fark you Covid 19.
     
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    We need to get air canada flying back to Australia.

    I don’t think anybody wants to go via USA or Asia

    Airfares will be higher compared to previous years

    Taipan clan won’t be in SP for Xmas

    However once we can come I plan to stay till closing day

    Very tentative - arrival early January.
     
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    I just got notice that Qantas has cancelled all international flights from October out to March 2021. While this just reflects the IATA northern hemisphere winter season, and theoretically if international travel opens up again QF flights could resume, I don't think QF would have done this without good cause (which could include advance warning of the extension of the jobkeeper programme for airline staff for example).

    There's strong support in Canada for the land border with the US to remain closed to tourism / non-essential travel indefinitely.

    The signs are inching ever closer to a locals only season in B.C.
     
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    Jan 2022 or 2023?