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Sun Peaks vs. Big White

Discussion in 'Canada' started by Livo, Feb 3, 2019.

  1. Livo

    Livo First Runs

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    Hi Everyone, I have been reading everyone's discussions on both Big White and Sun Peaks and have noted the positives and negatives of the two.

    However, I'm still stuck where to head for the 19/20 season! We were originally thinking Banff, but are now leaning towards living on mountain and think we have narrowed it down to SP and BW. We are not looking for the hustle and bustle of the likes of whistler (lift lines, nightlife etc.) but still like a bit of atmosphere and the ability to enjoy the night time. We're also taking into consideration other activities on mountain and in town. Seems that Kelowna is a bigger town with possibly more things to do than Kamloops. The ability to play Ice Hockey at SP interests me, not sure if BW offers this.

    Something keeps bringing me back to Sun Peaks history of blue birds due to my affinity with sunny days on mountain. Somehow have managed 5/7 sunny days on mountains over the last 3 years, I know this percentage won't continue when working a season ;). From what I have read on other forums, SP seems to have a homely community vibe which sounds awesome. But from the facebook groups, it seems like BW is the pick for those in their mid 20s!

    In terms of ability we would probably be intermediate, my partner starting to test the waters on advanced runs, so I'm sure both resorts have adequate terrain for us.

    Hope I haven't blabbed on too much,

    Looking forward to hearing your opinions :cool:
     
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  2. absentskier

    absentskier Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    How long are you wanting to be there for?
     
  3. absentskier

    absentskier Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    When I was at Big White pre-kids, I concluded that it would be hard to find a duller place for young people to live and work. Whistler, on the other hand, was simply fantastic.

    It’s a shame it’s harder to get jobs in the US these days. Working in a classic US ski town would be preferable to an isolated stand alone resort IMO. But hey, that’s just me.
     
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    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    In terms of infrastructure and terrain, the two are fairly similar: huge swathes of blue terrain plus a little bit for the experts. SP has multiple peaks that are lifted, whereas BW is pretty much all different aspects of the same single mountain.

    SP has a European styled central village with nice car free streets of shops, food/beverage and lodging. BW village is a bit of a jumble, things are scattered about and less atmospheric than SP. BW has the cleverly set up Happy Valley complex with day visitor access plus a range of off snow activities including ice skating. It is closer to village centre than the SP rink is.

    A key difference is a lot of people live in SP year round, roughly 1500 is the number I'm hearing. This is because of their long established summer ops anchored by bike park and golf course. There is a school, medical centre and a proper elected council that handles utilities, zoning and other council type stuff. This might not be apparent to visitors just there for a quick ski holiday, but you will notice it as a season worker. Management are mostly all-year professionals rather than former cat drivers and patrollers in the final phase of the cycle before burning out and getting a real job. It should be noted that BW has a summer operation now, but it is barely two seasons and there is a long way to go, change is happening but it will take a generation change to properly break out of the old winter model mentality.

    The local residents you will meet at SP over a season will be a different group than those you would meet at BW - active recent retirees with a very diverse range of backgrounds at SP, younger, more snow-oriented and more transitory at BW.

    Drive time to town is about the same for both resorts. Kelowna is now roughly double the population of Kamloops, but Kamloops has all the same shopping you would be looking for on a day off mountain, it is still 80,000+ people. Where Kelowna is well ahead is in the area of culture: art, theatre, music, fine dining and of course wine. Loads of good wineries around Kelowna if that is your thing. It has lake views whereas Kamloops is at a major river junction, both are in dramatic valley settings. Kamloops is vastly easier for driving, Kelowna traffic is notorious.

    You have already got the vibe about right: BW is a little more lively for younger people. But shoulder season and summer work opportunities are better at SP. You will be happy with the terrain at either resort.
     
  5. sly_karma

    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Rossland is about the only Canadian parallel to the "old mining village with ski lifts" configuration that you find at the core of so many western US resorts. And considerably smaller and less developed at that. Although many would contend this is a good thing.
     
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  6. gareth_oau

    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    I’ve only been to BW once but found the drive up to SP about 15 minutes less and a bit easier than up to BW

    I’m guessing the drive up to BW when snowing or foggy would be a lot more challenging.

    And Sly, the SP ice rink is only a 2 minute walk from the village
     
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    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ok thanks it seemed further! At BW you just take the free gondola and skating is just metres away from the base.
     
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    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah the BW setup is probably a similar distance but via Gondola and the skete area is larger.

    However the SP area has been developed as a stadium type setup for ice hockey games and a domestic competition. I think it is all year round? The plan is to enclose it with spectator seating
     
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    Can you hire hockey skates at SP?
     
  10. gareth_oau

    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    No idea
     
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    absentskier Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes I agree, although the town is on a smaller scale (as you said). I went to Rossland/Red on the same trip that I went to Big White. Big White was very disappointing (for me) after Rossland.
    It wasn’t until I went to Steamboat 6 years ago that I realised just how much I liked the real old town/modern ski hill combo. Now having been to Park City, Breckenridge and Aspen too, I am a real fan!

    I can see the attraction of a BW/SP for a short holiday for a family of intermediates, especially at busy holiday times, over the bigger resorts, but working there for a season as a 20-something without kids.. not so much. Again, purely personal opinion.
     
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  12. Legs Akimbo

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    I reckon that, if you are there for a season, at both BW and SP your social life will be the other workers. That could be a good or bad thing, and it probably happens everywhere but there is limited opportunity to get away for a while.

    Have you thought of Fernie? A proper town 10 minutes from a decent resort.
     
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    Jacko4650 One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Just spent an hour watching vids on Red Mountain and Rossland. Looks like a nice spot to spend a few weeks or months!
     
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    Roymond One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Interesting. Locals I talked to are split- hard core hockey fans want the year round enclosed stadium. The more business minded are keen to have a setup like big white with fireplaces, outdoor cafes/ eateries etc to encourage the tourist experience.
    It’ll be interesting to see which wins...
     
  15. Astro66

    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    So Im going to only address the OP.

    Big White has a better layout IMO. But Ive stated it before. Having been to Big White for 2 weeks in 2 consecutive years. I lost too many ski days to "The Big White". Whiteouts. Whilst I could find areas to ski. My Family couldn't. In 5 trips to Sun Peaks. Never had a day that was unskiable for the whole family.

    If you are going for an extended stay. It's not so much a problem. Because taking the odd day off is fine.

    The skating and day lodge area at BW is brilliant for the family. They have activities of an evening for the kids, and access from the free Gondola is great. SP skating area is better if you're into Ice Hockey. They have a drop in game nearly every evening, that you can just turn up and join.

    You can hire all skating and Hockey Equipment. Though I just bought it from the consignment store in kamloops. Really cheap. And I have brought it back to SP year after year.

    Regarding access to the rink. If you are close to the day lodge or upper Gondola. BW is easier.
    Now that SP has moved the skating to the Smimming and Sports Centre, it's a one minute walk out of town from Cahilty. We were staying at the Clock Tower which is dead middle of town. It was a 4 min walk.

    In conclusion. BW is the better ski resort IMO. Sun Peaks is the better holiday resort. If you're going for skiing. Goto BW. If you're going for a holiday with skiing. Goto SP.

    But there really isn't a huge difference in either the resorts, or accessing them.
     
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  16. gareth_oau

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    I think the completed constructions works so far is definitely tending towards the hardcore hockey
     
  17. Astro66

    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    Regarding Social Life. I was staying directly above the 2 main bars in SP town. Definitely not a nite club atmosphere. More a rowdy Country Pub. But there was plenty of celebrations that kept us awake till about 1am most nights. The wife got ear plugs as a result.

    I have no idea about BW.
     
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    Joe One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I don't have any experience at either, we avoid purpose built isolated resorts over ski towns. I'd pick the resort that was closer to other resorts to escape cabin/community fever.
     
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  19. Astro66

    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    We especially picked BW and SP because of the community. We really enjoy communal integration when on an extended holiday. My son made great friends with local kids and their parents, just by turning up daily to play hockey.

    And I've never experienced ski forum integration like Sun Peaks, Big White and Silver Star. (Except at local Australian resorts of course) A huge motive to holiday at these resorts for my family.

    Just goes to show, which resort is best, will always be individual taste.
     
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  20. gareth_oau

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    I remember christmas dinner 2013 at Powderhounds where we first met Astro and there were about 40 ski forumites (including families) all in the same dinner group
     
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    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    I liken it to owning a caravan at a holiday park. You get to enjoy the attractions of the holiday area. But there's always common people you're bumping into regularly, and occasionally socialising with, that give it a really friendly vibe.

    It's definitely the way I enjoy holidaying. But as someone have mentioned. It's not everyone's idea of a ski holiday.
     
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  22. Harper11

    Harper11 Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Good to hear you occasionally socialise with common folk
     
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    Joe One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I don't doubt what you say but with respect you are holidaying for what....2 to 4 weeks, I have worked FIFO out of small towns and I would travel to the next town to do some shopping when the onset of cabin/community fever sets in. I'm looking at it from purely a workers prospective not as a tourist. :thumbs:
     
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  24. Astro66

    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes, the Sydney definition. Common Folk, as in the same. e.g. common occurrence.

    I know you Qld folk prefer the other interpretation. :nono:
     
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    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'd second the Fernie suggestion, or go to Nelson and ski Whitewater, or Trail / Rossland and ski at Red. Live in a town and experience the country rather than living in a tourist bubble.
     
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    I’ve never seen any caravans up there!
     
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    Harper11 Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Um that’s not what common folk means anywhere in the world
     
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    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    synonymns for common : familiar, frequent, repeated, recurrent everyday, daily, day-to-day,

    But I love it when peeps tell me what I meant, When I say "common people" <shakes head>
     
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    Harper11 Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I get what you meant:thumbs:

    Just responding to the qld dig
     
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    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    That's still not what common folk means.
     
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    Thanks everyone for all the responses. Kind of getting the notion that living in a town and just heading up to resorts could be a better option, Banff or Fernie maybe?

    I definitely did like the idea of being able to play in a novice hockey league at SP - did hockey school when I was younger but don't have much skill at all now. Haven't been able to go back due to shift work so being able to commit to 11 weeks of a sport is kind of exciting. I guess living on mountain for the season was kind of attractive to me as a lover of the outdoors and hanging out with the other locals probably wouldn't be a problem. My partner on the other hand is the worlds biggest socialite and cabin fever might be an issue for him! But at the end of the day its about the skiing so BW is sounding pretty good!

    Maybe arriving earlier, buying a car and doing a bit of a drive could be a good way to suss out what would be better.

    Great to hear your opinions! On another note, I noticed SP closes its lifts at 3:30? Is this common throughout Canada?
     
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    Pros and cons.

    The downside with living in a town is that every single day you have to load up the car and drive up to a resort and if there’s pow, your parking might be a long wayfrom the lifts, especially on weekends, and if its fantastic then the roads might be closed so you aint getting up there at all.

    Add another 2-3 hours every day to your logistics if you plan to commute there and back
     
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    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes. In early season it gets dark by 4 PM.
     
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    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Dinner and bed by 7.30 LOL
     
  36. Astro66

    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    It costs a little extra. But Id Stay on the Mountain. Big White has bars that your +1 could hit every afternoon and connect with both locals and tourists.

    If you have a car. Goto town for the occasional break. Kelowna is huge. It really won't feel like a classic ski town if you stay there, IMO.

    If you want a classic ski town without staying on Mountain. Some of the smaller towns peeps have mentioned would be much better. I would add Revelstoke to that list though.
     
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    Revie has a good town and its only a 5 minute drive to the hill.

    However, based on my limited experience I’d suggest its no so much fun for the lower end skier/boarder.

    We we there on 28th December and the bollom half of the mountain (cat tracks) still wasnt open
     
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    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    I didn't use common folk in my original post. I used "common people you're bumping into regularly". Harper's interpretation was Common Folk. Hence my clarification of my use of "Common" in his misquoted "Common Folk" post.

    Hopefully we've put this to bed. If not. Please start a separate thread on the meaning of "Common Folk", as it's not remotely related to what I originally posted, or this thread.
     
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    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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  40. Astro66

    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    Investment in a dictionary might help you.

    From the Cambridge Dictionary. The 3 meanings of the word "common"

    1) common adjective (USUAL)
    the same in a lot of places or for a lot of people:

    2) common adjective (SHARED)
    belonging to or shared by two or more people, or things:


    3) common adjective (LOW CLASS)
    disapproving typical of a low social class:

    I was using meaning 1). Harper was using meaning 3). Hence my clarification. As meaning 3) , is quite derogatory.
     
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    I'd like to live in Fernie for a bit
    Even if its a bit Rich vs Bogan enviroment
     
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    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    Yes. It's funny.
     
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    Maybe have a look at Vancouver Island. Paradise for somebody who loves the outdoors. Comox or Courtenay are small townships not too far from MtWashigton. great hiking, kayaking, surfing(on the West Coast), mountain biking. Nanaimo is about 1.5 hrs away. It’s a crap hole but has some nice Coast and local hikes as well. Watching the Nanaimo Clippers play is a good night.
    Victoria is such a beautiful little city for weekend getaways, approx. 3 hours away from MtWashington.
    MtWashington can get a bit busy on the weekend but quiet mid-week.
    A really beautiful part of the world.
     
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    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    It would be, if expressed correctly.
    Saying I called peeps "LOW CLASS" with emoji = funny
    Saying I called peeps "LOW CLASS" without emoji = LOW CLASS.

    If harper wants to call peeps LOW CLASS. That's his business. But to say I did. That's not on. Hence my clarification.
     
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    Can we settle for hoi polloi?
     
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    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    Great ski resort. But not in Canada. Greece I think.
     
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    [​IMG]
     
  48. Harper11

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    Lighten up
    It was a joke
    I didn’t call anyone anything

    But if you go round calling people “common people” and “common folk”, to directly quote you, you might get similar reactions because you are using it incorrectly

    Emoji
     
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    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    I used common people to describe regularly bumping into the same peeps. (see definition 1) You used common folk to infer LOWER CLASS (see definition 3)

    When using a word with multiple meanings. The context determines meaning. The context of both your use, and mine is quite clear.

    But the emotion, when unclear, is normally expressed in short hand using emojis. This is how the English Language and the Internet work.
     
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    Fixed.
     
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