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Talk to me about snow chains.

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by Donzah, Mar 10, 2021.

  1. Donzah

    Donzah Formerly know as Aldi whorehouse. Ski Pass: Gold

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    Sexy ones.

    Long story short. Mrs Donza has a option on a 2018 hyundai tucson for 10K less than what they are listed on carsales.
    Its only done 22000Km
    And its 2wd......

    So tell me what chains I should buy. Price not being a worry.
     
  2. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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  3. Donzah

    Donzah Formerly know as Aldi whorehouse. Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ha.
    *they don't make them anymore
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Sooks.
     
  5. teckel

    teckel "I'm not a cat" Ski Pass: Gold

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    What's the tyre size? Or if you don't know, what model? What clearance around the wheel?
    Given that it's not a low profile, definitely the Konig CB-12, or the XG-12 Pro or the Magic T2 for a heavier chain (15mm).
    See https://konigchain.com/chains/consumer-snow-chains.html
     
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  6. Donzah

    Donzah Formerly know as Aldi whorehouse. Ski Pass: Gold

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    Donzah Formerly know as Aldi whorehouse. Ski Pass: Gold

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    225/60 R17
     
  8. teckel

    teckel "I'm not a cat" Ski Pass: Gold

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    Same thing. Thule put their name on Konig chains. Konig's the original name.
     
  9. teckel

    teckel "I'm not a cat" Ski Pass: Gold

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    You really can't go past the Konig Magic T2. A 15 mm chain, so heavy enough to handle any conditions, but easy to fit.
     
  10. Peanut

    Peanut One of Us

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    Where does one go to buy chains? Hubby and I have discussed hiring vs buying chains for my 2017 Mazda 3, and decided that we’ll probably ski enough this year to warrant buying them. I have no idea where to go or who to speak with though.
     
  11. fenrir

    fenrir One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Ebay? Picked up a pair of "autofit" chains cheap and the one time I was forced to use them for the final 15km of the drive at Hotham they worked ok.

    If you are on the NSW side Rhythm cooma sell ex rental chains pretty cheap.
     
  12. emkae

    emkae One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Konig is a good brand. Google is your friend here and will help you find the best deal near your location
     
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    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    Places like Roof Rack City sell them.
     
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    Jonathan_P One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I have the XG-12 Pro, great chain, pretty easy to fit:)
     
  15. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    where do you live? where do you ski?
     
  16. Jonathan_P

    Jonathan_P One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Roof Carrier Systems are a good option, based in Victoria but I dealt with them via email and over the phone. They really know their stuff in terms of snow related travel and will ensure you get the right chain for your vehicle.
     
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    Hermannator One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Spider chains? LOL
     
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  18. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I've always bought from these guys. They also have a trade in system. If you are lucky you can get 2nd hand chains in good condition at a good discount. When you change cars you can trade in your chains on what you need for the new one.
     
  19. teckel

    teckel "I'm not a cat" Ski Pass: Gold

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    I don't sell many - I don't stock them as such for sale. I hire them out, so I have hundreds of pairs and understand all the ins and outs of them.
     
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    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    ok, sorry if you get inundated with thousands of calls
    ;)

    I'll delete that part of the post
     
  21. teckel

    teckel "I'm not a cat" Ski Pass: Gold

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    I do have a few V2 Traction and Autofit chains for sale, but not many. I only hire Konig.
     
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    person s Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    I've bought a couple of sets via eBay
    last set I bought I used once, still have them but not the car
    current car needs very slim links, but also has awd capacity so I'm hoping I never need them
    I also use the skitube a lot
     
  23. Peanut

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    I live near Newcastle and will be skiing at Perisher.
     
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  24. Peanut

    Peanut One of Us

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    Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I’ve certainly got a few places to check out now.
     
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  25. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    So if there is snow on the road up to perisher, you need decent chains, not just box ticking chains. If you were only driving to thredbo from jindy then you could get away with less.
    I don't know about nsw shops, but i can certainly say that roof carrier systems in melbourne know their stuff and have given consistently good service. If you don't have somewhere local then they would be a good choice
     
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    teleroo Waiting for winter... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Plenty of Aldi ones on Facebook marketplace, most unused. Auto XS is the aldi brand, but don't pay more than $50 for Aldi chains. I picked up a set of 16 mm Aldi ones for my Amarok 4WD. But then found an unused set of Konig XG12 Pros for $100 again on Marketplace. These are the bomb, easy to fit and self tightening. Just make sure you know your tire size but should be plenty options for a Mazda3.

    Some chit chat around as to whether Aldi ones are any good. I dunno, they look bloody similar to the exy ones. All comes down to the metal I guess which as a buyer you'll never be able to tell.
     
  27. sly_karma

    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Get serious.

     
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  28. snow drive solutions

    snow drive solutions Hard Yards Ski Pass: Silver

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    Spider chains do not comply withe the definition of a snow chain in the new Victorian Alpine Resorts Regulations
    that were published on 18.11.2020

    Alpine Resorts (Management) Regulations 2020 (November 18 2020)
    Statutory rule as made
    STATUTORY RULE NUMBER 128/2020
    https://content.legislation.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-11/20-128sra authorised.pdf

    Extract from pages 24-28

    Division 2—Wheel chains in alpine resorts

    23 Definitions in this Division
    In this Division—
    4 wheel drive vehicle includes an all-wheel drive vehicle;
    snow tyre means a tyre whose tread pattern, tread compound and structure are specifically designed to achieve better performance, on a road affected by snow or ice, than that of a normal tyre with regard to its ability to initiate, maintain or stop vehicle motion;
    wheel chains mean devices made up of chains in a diamond pattern that are designed to be fitted to wheels of a motor vehicle to increase the directional stability and traction of the wheels of that vehicle on a road affected by snow or ice.
     
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    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Does that mean ladder chains aren't recognised either? Certainly they're old tech, but over here it's all the truckies use.
     
  30. teckel

    teckel "I'm not a cat" Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ladder chains no longer permitted in Vic. Not sure how that's going to work for trucks and buses. I figure that the changes in Vic have been overly influenced by one retailer. In NSW though - spider chains, ladder chains, diamond pattern all allowed.
     
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  31. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    you would hope there would be an exemption for buses or other vehicles fitted with the drop down spinning chains
     
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  32. fenrir

    fenrir One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    So reading that it means boards have the discretion to exempt vehicles with snow tyres from fitting chains? Good luck with that.

    The last time I was at Hotham they made me fit chains on my 4wd for the last 12km or so into the resort. On the same weekend I went to Falls, if anything there was more snow on the road and they waved me through. If you're trusting any common sense you wont find it.

    At least NSW is consistent in the application of the rules.
     
  33. snow drive solutions

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    Hermannator One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    On a serious note chains like any other apparatus should be selected based on operating environment.

    That environment differs by jurisdiction and even resort. E.g. at Hotham, expect to be driving miles with chains fitted on bitumen, so choose accordingly.
     
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    snow drive solutions Hard Yards Ski Pass: Silver

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    "drop down spinning chains" do not comply Austrian Standard V5117 or V5119 for snow chains and are not permitted in Victoria on buses as they are not a diamond pattern chain and do not comply with the Alpine Resorts Regulation wheel chain definition.....
    "wheel chains mean devices made up of chains in a diamond pattern that are designed to be fitted to wheels of a motor vehicle to increase the directional stability and traction of the wheels of that vehicle on a road affected by snow or ice."
    https://transportsafety.vic.gov.au/bus-safety/safety-duties/safety-duties/snowfields
    VicRoads information bulletin Bus travel in hazardous Areas (Snowfields) [PDF 197Kb].
     
  36. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'm sure they used to be permitted
     
  37. teckel

    teckel "I'm not a cat" Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah, but a certain retailer didn't like them and had the ear of someone who could change things. Personally, I agree with ladders not being permitted on cars.
     
  38. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    yes I'm torn about that retailer. i hate the self-serving lobbying for new regulations. i like the actual customer experience
     
  39. person s

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    teckel "I'm not a cat" Ski Pass: Gold

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    Correct. At least in Vic.
     
  41. Medicine_Shoes

    Medicine_Shoes Hard Yards

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    Does anybody know which Konig chain would suit a low profile tyre with the size being 245/40/r19. I believe the size is 103. This is for a Holden VF sportwagon. Thanks.
     
  42. cqen2l

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    Go to the Konig site and input your tyre size.
     
  43. teckel

    teckel "I'm not a cat" Ski Pass: Gold

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    Depending on clearance, you have a number of options.
    If you're not penny pinching, you're always best to go for a self-tensioning chain. It means you don't have to stop to tighten them, but they're also pretty idiot proof. Now, that's not saying you're an idiot, but if you're fitting chains in a blizzard where your hands are frozen and you can't see too well, it's a matter of the easier and quicker they are to fit, the better. Now, you're better to go for a more substantial chain depending on the clearance. The more substantial it is, the better grip you'll get and the less likely for it to break. Probably for you, I'd try for a 10mm chain - the CL-10 for instance. If that's too much, go down to the 9mm. As a last resort, a 7mm chain.
    Yes, 103 is the correct size.
     
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  44. Medicine_Shoes

    Medicine_Shoes Hard Yards

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    Don't worry, I am an idiot haha. I'm a big believer in you get what you pay for, so I will definitely go for a self-tensioning chain. Ill see if I can check out a CL-10 somewhere in Melbourne this weekend. Thanks for the help.
     
  45. Billy_Buttons

    Billy_Buttons Que Sera, Sera Ski Pass: Gold

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    Our chains have been sitting in our Jindy garage for 13 years and have NEVER been used, yet. :)
     
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    Medicine_Shoes Hard Yards

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    I've been up those mountains earlier this year and they are a piece of cake compared to the Vic resorts if you are coming from the Jindy side. Not trying to make this a competition.
     
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    Donzah Formerly know as Aldi whorehouse. Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yet I reckon nsw has the most cars off in a day record.
     
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    Medicine_Shoes Hard Yards

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    Maybe because the roads are more gentle people are prone to take more risks. Some probably under estimate the effect of snow/ice on the road. The Vic roads up to the majors force you to go slow because they are so many hairpins and switchbacks.
     
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    Donzah Formerly know as Aldi whorehouse. Ski Pass: Gold

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    That's one reason.
    However imo the most offs seem to occur when we get low level snow off the sea.
    It falls in odd directions on odd elevations.

    This doesn't happen as much in Victoria.

    Last year in July was a perfect example.
    Chains needed just to drive through Jindy.

    Even in the most classic cold system that's very rare.
     
  50. teckel

    teckel "I'm not a cat" Ski Pass: Gold

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    Needed them to drive through Narby too (altitude 330m). And again in August.
     
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