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Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by sidetrack, Sep 30, 2015.
So here is a can of worms.
NZ has huts everywhere...... all through the NPs.
Seems a no brainer here
Is my lodge at Charlotte Pass a hut?
Is this in reference to Australian huts or are NZAC huts also included?
Im guessing in oz? Thats how i answered. But there isnt any where I ski so no chance anyway. Im happy with that status quo, its what I'm used to i guess
What about in summer?
I am a member of KHA, as I use huts if they are there and not crowded, thus I would be a hypocrite not to contribute to their upkeep.
However I don't think there is a need for anymore huts, particularly with the improvements in tents, sleeping bags / mats, stoves etc.
I was blizzard bound in Albina Lodge in the early 80's and interestingly all of us, probably about 10, bar one, agreed it should be removed because of the inappropriate numbers of inexperienced moths that were drawn there to the flame.
I loved staying in Albina, Rawson's and Soil Con but do not miss them now they're gone.
As per the thread title, no, huts are not necessary.
why not make more huts for more people to experience the high country in summer?
See poo thread.
Couldn't be bothered.
NZ has huts for trampers all over....
Have stayed in such in the Ureweras as a kid.
Tent camping blows in nz. So fricken wet after a few days lugging a waterlogged tent wears thin
never rains in Kosi?
You can do it already out of the resorts. It a stones throw on the Main Range and its seriously not that big an area.
One interesting thing I find is that the more time a person spends on the range, the more they realise its not necessary.
Plenty of accommodation available at Charlotte Pass for year round use.
Different game over there.
Longer, more isolated routes and tramping is not really a snow activity (crossings sometimes, but bush walking. Have been snowed on tramping in summer tho ) and if I'm skiing in knp and its raining, well I'll be hunkered down waiting for it to puke, not packing up in the wet for the nth time to keep moving on the trail.
Mostly. If you wanna go find the opera house. Its there. Somewhere
Thats a fair way humping gear....
why shouldn't there be a hut for peeps that don't want to carry a tent?
I spend more time in Kosi in summer than winter... and relative to NZ ... its not really that snowbound
You can walk from one end of the park to the other and stay in a hut every night.
Enough huts though? well stocked? well maintained ?
what about a user pays system on the huts in Kosi in winter?
Im missing your point.
It the weather is tits i will plan accordingly for my walk in the knp as its small and its easy to be flexible.
If im up some valley in nz and the weather is tits its a different proposition with a few wet days to go.
Thats how i roll anyhoo.
More huts than most would know about. They're all well marked on a map. Stocked with what? Cigars and caviar? Steve maintains the ones south of the border but the KHA looks after KNP.....ok, they're pretty shitty.
That kind of exists
Reread telewhippets post
You know as well as I do... weather changes every frikken minute in NZ.
knp isn't small, relative to NZ NP's
NZ has always prided itself on huts throughout....
Huts aren't necessary but they're nice.
My main aim when I'm using them is to ski. I'm not overly in to the art of camping, it's a means to an end, and the end is skiing.
I find that when I'm camping where there's a hut I can relax more, stay warmer and get my gear drier. Plus menial tasks take less time. This all leads to me being able to ski more.
The huts in Europe are amazing.
IMO the no hut crew are kinda like surfers on some nice island .... with the no boat crew....
Don't want to share ......
Yeah there's a lot of that.
The mountains in NZ and Europe are.....well, real big and the weather is different.
its kinda elitist.
if you don't fit into my version of her should be enjoying the NP , then be damned with you.
Funny thing is...huts are prevalent all over alpine regions of Japan... enabling people who would have no other way of enjoying that environment.
Typical japanese hut in summer will be full of 70 somethings on a hike.
expect them to hump a tent.?
Yeah so I think huts are more valid in nz on that basis.
Knp is big but accessible. And it has a fair few huts.
It's nobody's to share. I'm stoked to see the likes of Carveman getting amongst it lately.
The attitudes are .....um more welcoming too.
The japanese have 'huts' all the way up fuji, more like mini hotels.
Yet , the consensus here is there is too many?
and people should hump their gear.?
way to go forward thinking tourism.
It's not elitist Donza. I think you just need to get out and check it out before you make a decision on putting huts on the main range. It's kinda like me trying to tell the resorts how to manage things without ever having worked a season.
Far from it
Its like telling people that don't want the status quo upset... cause they are comfortable in their niche... its the new resort skiers who have now gone "BC" upsetting the granola peeps... Its a line in the sand (snow) so to speak.....
Unless you are what I am, you can't come here.
It's a moot point - the important huts in Vic are here to stay, and I'm grateful for them, and they're never going to get built in NSW, I haven't been there enough to say where I'd like one/some but it's pointless really.
FWIW on Thursday night I tried to not camp at a hut but we got blown off the ridge and retreated back down to Michell.
I disagree. Im not really anti hut but its hardly elitist. You can ski just about anywhere on a daytrip in the knp if youre fit and the wx is good. Hell, ski touring and split boarding are pretty elitist in themselves, pricey and you need to 'know what you're doing' lest you get lambasted on some ski forum
Is that cause the huts happen to be in the sheltered (non exposed ridgeline) staging area for the mountain - ie. You reckon you wouldve camped there in the shit weather if the hut wasnt there?
I am the new resort person gone BC...?
It's a fairly long bow. My reasoning is very similar to Telewhippets. It's only my opinion after spending a very short amount of time BC.
Yeah pretty much - if Michell wasn't there that's about where we would have had to retreat to anyway - given that we were heading up without the intention to camp at a hut. It was nice to not have to lug all our water up and top up from the tank though, even though it came back down!
There are many many many many huts in KNP, almost all with loos, pot belly stoves, bush saws to cut plentiful wood from plentiful snow gums (not just above the tree line in the very small area that is uniquely the Mainrange)
Look here http://www.khuts.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=83&Itemid=188
Wondering if US has hacked Donza's log in.................
Nothing wrong with going against the hive mind
Bloody huts in the way, eh!
You're right, they just ain't gunna happen (new huts.in knp)
nah far from it.
I have no chainsaw
(but I want one)
If KNP can make money out of huts.... it will happen.
However the debate is hardly as polarised as US wouldve told us
I reckon a carpark and cleared road to CP would take any remaining steam out of the argument.