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The are huts really necessary thread

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by sidetrack, Sep 30, 2015.

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Are huts really really necessary.

  1. No i don't use them ever.

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  2. I will use them to socialise in but wouldn't miss them if they weren't there.

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  3. I will use them to sleep in if there in the area I'm in but I'm just as happy to use a tent

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  4. I will only go above to areas that have huts but still take a tent.

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  5. I would die if huts were removed from alpine areas

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  1. Ubiquitous Steve

    Ubiquitous Steve Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    oh good u are off overseas to the Nthn Hemisphere for some snow play ...truly a great loss will be felt this summer by the vast majority of mountain folk...:p..
     
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    I feel a separate thread and poll ( ROFL ) on the virtues of snow poles or not is required :evil:
     
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    Sorry @Ubiquitous Steve that work was done a while back. NPWS regularly send a crew down to clear and re-mark the track. Just like they regularly visit the huts, give them a clean and have the dunnies pumped out (now that is a complicated and costly poo problem, thousands of litres of septic waste not suitable for STPs, usually with all sorts of trash, and very few local facilities that accept it).

    I am currently trying to get a 2 month old to sleep and keep the missus sane, much harder than bush bashing up Hannels Spur. Living vicariously through the hard men of the BC and of course the greatly appreciated track and hut fairies.
     
  5. VSG

    VSG Crayon Master Moderator

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    I see myself getting a vicarious fix through a certain Ytube channel, Pini. Great work. https://youtu.be /9mdpXJxCv9s remove the spaces. :D
     
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    PiniPowPow One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    A bit light on this season @VSG hopefully business as usual next year, great to see you on the forum!
     
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    I'll be heading across the high plains soon, missing my home away from home.
     
  9. Ubiquitous Steve

    Ubiquitous Steve Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    well suggest u send some KNP hard men to work on Goat Track around Watsons Crag maybe send survey Team also cos I think track maintenance may have fallen off over there in the last decade...

    perhaps time to ask ADF for another helping hand as I hear they cut this originally ....

    then get staff to "to regularly clear and remark"""":whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle:

    never mind the vicarious fix ..folk need to get to kittens and get the real fix.....:thumbs:

    sounds like PPP well suited to talk about poo though!!!
     
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  10. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Sounds like a reasonable expenditure for the three people that use it every year :whistle::p:fishing:
     
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  11. Ubiquitous Steve

    Ubiquitous Steve Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    but we see that's its the same mentality that is opposing everything of man made origin....:love:
     
  12. Legs Akimbo

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    I once spent a day hanging at Opera House hut. A wombat spent an hour or so grazing around my feet. There were so few visitors that the local wildlife had zero fear of people. I think it probably thought I was some sort of strange mobile tree.

    It occurs to me that huts probably are necessary so that US has something to do.
     
  13. Ubiquitous Steve

    Ubiquitous Steve Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    well we had a reasonable track but guess who let it degrade to the point nobody could follow it even me!!!!

    so if you want to claim that KNP regularly clears and maintains its tracks I would be careful .......:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:
     
  14. Ubiquitous Steve

    Ubiquitous Steve Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    talking a lot of the stuff again...
    the wildlife I find are not greatly affected by chainsaw noise///lyrebirds come to see Team, Bears working at Stoneytops Camp regularly and imitate our noises too...had one walk to 10m from me after chainsawing activities and I was playing with a crowbar at time.....give the wildlife some credit they are not as stupid as some posting here!!!LOLLOLLOL
     
  15. Ubiquitous Steve

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    hope legs didn't go for coffee in the hut....come on your principles are a stake here....boys using huts for morning tea....looks bad on your CV legs.....
     
  16. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    You are a very strange person.
     
  17. telecrag

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    Its the Bears posting, Steve left his logon lying around, he is busy, they have his laptop.
     
  18. Ubiquitous Steve

    Ubiquitous Steve Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    its true Bears are able to post in here they have been practicing...
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    legs i am not the person that went to Tawonga Huts expecting to sleep in a hut and then had to make a shanty out of corrugated iron??? now you are a staunch supporter of the "anti huts brigade" it seems!!:clap::clap::clap::clap:

    so legs did u set foot in the wonderful Opera House or would you be embarrassed to admit that u entered a hut....well because "they are unnecessary after all according to extremists posting in here"??:whistle::whistle::whistle:

    only strange folk(to use legs' words) are those hypocrites using huts but advocating they are unneccesary....LOLLOLLOL
     
  19. Legs Akimbo

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    Yep. Still strange. What on Earth are you smoking? Why do you feel the need to make this personal?

    I have stayed in huts. I have camped near huts. I have camped in areas where I don't know where the nearest hut is. In busy times I have consciously chosen to stay away from huts. In KNP there are lots of huts. They can stay there as far as I'm concerned. I don't see that there is a need for any more huts, nor do I see a need to "improve" the vast majority of them.
     
  20. Telemark Phat

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    I love it when people who have no idea about their impact on an environment claim to have no impact. Before you discount the values others think Parks should be managed for you should learn about them US. I know you won't, but you should.
     
  21. Ubiquitous Steve

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    a waffle of a post....
    I recount the story of lyrebirds coming to check out chainsaw noise and the response I get is this...

    may be I am spending more hours in the bush than u realize....
    so perhaps expand on the loose blast with some enlightening ecological observations...
    TP not sure what background u have in ecology/botony/zoology and management but I suggest u may not be as knowledgeable as u let on....
    so perhaps u can be more specific ...and comment on the Goat Track....in relation to environmental impact....

    try specifics it can be more rewarding than assuming others don't have considerable knowledge in the field in which u dabble...:deadhorse:
     
  22. Ubiquitous Steve

    Ubiquitous Steve Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    and TP.

    I feel your syntax needs a bit of attention...

    any more relevant rants....on Park Management???

    seems TP has doctorates in all disciplines outlined previously and is a guru in ecological issues..
     
  23. Legs Akimbo

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    Quite odd.
     
  24. Telemark Phat

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    You made an observation on the behaviour of one species and assumed your observation applies to all species. That is a fallacious assumption since it violates the ecological fallacy. I'm not going to enter into an appeal to authority argument with you until you tell me which entry in the Australian Institute of Alpine Studies entry is yours.
     
  25. Telemark Phat

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    Where did that straw man come from?
     
  26. Ubiquitous Steve

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    legs u must have been an experience for the mt cattle men camped at Tawonga Huts with those monuntainneer (sic)skills put to work doing a portable corrugated hut thing for shelter...

    jeez must have been an amazing scene...:D:D:D
     
  27. Ubiquitous Steve

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    waffle.....and more waffle.....
     
  28. surveyorcam

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    Could this have saved us 600 odd posts?
    Unecessary:
    adjective: not necessary or essential; needless; unessential.

    Not as much fun though.
     
  29. Legs Akimbo

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    What bizarre corner of what passes for your mind did this come from? I have never been to Tawonga Huts. The only Victorian hut I have been anywhere near (as far as I know) is Cleve Cole, and I didn't stay long.
     
  30. Charlie

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    or even, "unnecessary"
     
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    Sorry
     
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  32. Ubiquitous Steve

    Ubiquitous Steve Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    and TP better to proof read some of your posts maybe...
    "violates ecological fallacy" perhaps u should edit this so we can make sense out of this hasty retort.. and whats with appeal to authority argument" hey I thought even undergraduates could express themselves better than that...verbose indeed....

    so your thinking only people in the "industry can make any relevant comments in here""

    sorry its open forum...not just open to academics with poor syntax...LOLLOL
     
  33. Ubiquitous Steve

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    hey Charlies on to it...good observation...and a critical post...:thumbs:
     
  34. Ubiquitous Steve

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    australian institute of alpine studies....hey Bears going for small print here...
    :p
    man is that ganna bring the house down with the academics......:nerd:
     
  35. Telemark Phat

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    Irrelevant.
     
  36. Telemark Phat

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    Do you know what the ecological fallacy is?

    Do you understand why the appeal to authority argument is fallacious?

    Which industry are you referring to?
     
  37. Ubiquitous Steve

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    .....majik has been here....

    get back to the Goat Track conundrum.....was it perhaps a management strategy to allow it to overgrow....KNP are good at this management technique....don't worry about academic wanking....enlighten us ecologically about the reopening of the Goat Track...no wonder nobody goes there any more....good management= no people...... interesting

    now I am sure your wisdom in regard to said Goat Track would be well received with your colourful background and association with the Aust Ins of AS.

    qualifications are amazing things but try not to overdo it...
     
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  38. Legs Akimbo

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    I went to the Opera House Hut along this Goat Track. I would be surprised if it had more than 20 visitors a year even when it was open. After all, popular and well used tracks do not overgrow. My guess is that NPWS made a highly rational decision about allocation of scarce resources.
     
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  39. Ubiquitous Steve

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    Team Bears doesnot have a high regard for some in land management vocations.....any way time to put kettle on and whistle up tune for lyrebirds on whistling kettle...they love it when bears come to play..
    [​IMG]
     
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    garbage ...a direct decision to allow it to overgrow....

    could have quite easily have been given to volunteers .....
    sure difficulties after fires....but try not to proffer the lack of funds excuses..
    could have been easily given to volunteers as a project....
     
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    Whom?
     
  42. Legs Akimbo

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    If people are tromping up and down on a frequent basis any "direct decision" will be futile because frequent use will stop the track overgrowing.
     
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    Some Time After Tea!
     
  44. Ubiquitous Steve

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    legs I thinking that aint the soundest argument that we have ever encountered..so now we have encouraged law breakers to hit the tunnel from Siren Song thro Watsons Crags by wading up the tunnel..yep its illegal...

    :p
     
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    It seems the "team bears" has morphed from amusing, and at times valued discussion to "team trolls"?
     
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  46. Ubiquitous Steve

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    mental health care week was last week ....u cannot have crazy time all the time...
     
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  47. Legs Akimbo

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    Where is that nurse?
     
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    The AAWT from Mt St Gwinear to Mt St Phillack require clearing every year or two to keep them a suitable width for winter and summer recreation, despite regular day walking and through hiking visitation. I've been up there with volunteers. There are also no huts on the Baw Baw plateau, and that's fine because many camping areas are just below the tree line in snow gums so exposure is not great. In ash country, camping is hazardous as the trees and branches are prone to falling.
     
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