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Discussion in 'Alpine & Southern' started by Claude Cat, Feb 27, 2015.
Thredbo's snowmaking system has always given better coverage than Perisher's, better positioning
Maybe needs to be, given disgraceful erosion on "groomed" slope. What gives?
Friday Flat vs Front Valley
After one night of snowmaking almost complete coverage (OK, not really skiable)
Perisher have been making snow for a few weeks and its still a lumpy mess
Yes I know that they will run groomers over it and flatten it out, but ive always noticed that Thredbo's system has better coverage after only a night or two of good snowmaking
m3 is the proper measure of coverage IMO. Perisher have been leaders in AUS for snowmaking for pretty much as long as I can remember.
The last few days have been what I would consider 'standard' May weather. Cool in the mornings with a low cloud cover or fog, clearing to sunny days by mid-morning. Minimal wind. I hope it moves on to a winter pattern soon.
This weekend looks like a perisher special weather wise
gusty Nw winds , wet and marginal temps ...
then when it gets cold enough, its still norwest.
Its only just started to feel like winter down here. We only had our first hard frost yesterday morning.
I think your memory has failed you verm. Back in the early 2000's Perisher could only open Front Valley and Terminal at Blue Cow based on snow making. At the same time Thredbo could open Merrits on 100% man made as well as Super trail from snowgums to village. Perishers system just seemed better because they had 10 web cams showing different angles of the same pile of man made on Front Valley. Meanwhile most of Thredbos efforts were out of web cam view mid mountain. Pretty sure Thredbos system has been fully automated since 2006 ish.
Perisher has certainly caught up over the last 8 years and they now how a very extensive system, but i still think Thredbos coverage is superior. Mostly because the man made areas of thredbo are mown grass that require every little cover to open. Compared to say Towers, Excelerator, Zalis at Perisher which is rough ground and very difficult and nay impossible to open on man made alone.
Nah Perisher has the edge now. In area and total volume. Also Budget and water allocation.
Since they invested so much in TA fans and automation. Its paid dividends.
Whats been beneficial to Thredbo in the last few days is that there has been some Epic inversions.
FF is great in that case.. cold air just hangs down there.
FF is also like a golf course .. Great low cut grass and no rocks.
I think Jane may be right. Her snow forecasts start from 1 Jun
Perisher has far greater capacity than Thredbo. Just Front Valley while it may be short has about 10 times the skiable area of Merrits, so Thredbo can cover it much quicker. Most mid and lower Thredbo runs are like roads cut in forest, where as Perisher is far more open.
Please, everybody go to Perisher...it's just so much better!
well it is in alot of ways
Perisher needs moar, and moar people. It can handle them.
Thredbo is more crowded , just sayin
he is kinda right you know
Snow is preserved in shadow-cast narrow runs.
...because they should be skiing Perisher!
Its true... plus way less wind
bur then , you wouldn't have a job
<going off topic>
i think this debate should be started in another thread? ill get the popcorn..
Try using area measure tool on Six Maps and reassess. You'll find that the man made area of Merrits is larger than that of Front Valley.
I was actually referring to the second part
front valley is now goats and vomit hill (my daughters name)
Stay on slightly weather related topic
I was trying
Either the guns are going at Perisher again or the marketing department is replaying the video.
Thredbo and Perisher have definitely both got the guns blasting on FF (+ST) and FV (+V8). If it doesn't rain too hard it looks like there may be a little run or two to be had on opening weekend.. Or at least a slide... How are those chances of rain vs flurries looking now...?
-7.5 at Cooma airport this morning. Thredbo must be having a temperature inversion if they're making snow - plus 2 up top.
Yeah inversion with an incredible -25 wet bulb
I find it interesting that Perisher seem to run a lot of A/W guns on booms and AT fans off the ground on FV, or maybe it's just how it looks in the photos. With such an open area you'd reckon AT platforms would produce much more snow.
They have TA fans on the ground and on lift towers.
They have mobile TA fans
then you have the lances
finally the AW guns off hydrants.
I would have thought with the elevation (FV is what 1600, 1700m?) AT platforms would be the way to go. Sure the A/W can be run at higher temps/wet bulb, but at that elevation is it really that beneficial? Plus the extra compressed air required to run them that could be used elsewhere? I used to have a spreadsheet which could pretty accurately calculate out m3 for the respective guns, and I remember AT on a platform was without doubt the best option for pure volume, assuming temps are good.
I'm just thinking from a VIC/Thredbo perspective, where due to elevation changes (low elevation more than anything) the choice of guns is super-important. Buller is really good with this, although they have other factors that limit what guns they put where (for example Summit, which gets a lot of wind, uses A/W booms even though AT fans could pump out more snow volume).
But I guess everyone knows, nothing does better than the slug.
FV is a combination of all ... yeah you were right about the elevation.
(have started a thread)
Sorry if I stirred the pot. I only responded to the above. Thredbo gets covered quickly because its easier, nothing to do with better snow guns or positioning.
sorry if this is now in the wrong thread.
Sections of the Darling River in NSW have stopped flowing
That's what it does.
Without regulation it probably would have stopped flowing much sooner.
Relative to predictions and incoming goodness....
@Donza this the Spag you're putting the money on ?
i.e the whole SE getting swiped.
And can I also read that the Blue 5700 is fetching from Antarctica , or more to look at it clipping Oz ?.or both ...
and.... this where you or @Vermillion referred as 5 Nodal ?.
Spag could be worth watching right through to next weekend too.
@Donza, thoughts on 4-9th?
Some stories on the Queensland drought