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the BC chatter thread

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by piolet, Jul 14, 2011.

  1. skull

    skull One of Us

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    Somebody ended their day with a Toll chopper ride last Saturday from Thredbo. Landed at the park near the pump track, then the ambulance moved down from the med centre with the passenger. What a bad way to start the season
     
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    the interesting thing is the road up from howqua gap allows only certain vehicles / peeps...its pretty much a jacked up 4wd road (although i know someone who got a forester up there)
     
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    Snow Blowey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Saw and noted that and was happy it wasn't me.
     
  4. CarveMan

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    It's finally happening.

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    We are finally getting people to buy good touring rigs. Has taken years. Obviously we've got lighter full-tech options too but we're being forced to do far less of this:

     
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    These just dropped through the slot of my letterbox.
    6 pairs only, south of the equator.
    Current snow conditions looking like I have time to work out how to mount them...
    http://www.twentytwodesigns.com/Lynx-Telemark-Binding_p_124.html
     
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    That Disco would never run again if I'd been there.

    Have noticed a lot of alpine hackery in Vicco. Don't have to deal with that problem in WA....
     
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    I was also wondering what they would need them on the equator for?
     
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    Not on but South of.
     
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  11. skull

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    what are some suggestions for BC skis and bindings for a BC noob. Did a few of the Tbo tours last year and used their hire gear which I had Volkl VTA 80s and Rossi Soul 7s with bindings that you could use your own boots with (A Frame?). I also boot backed a couple of times up Sig Hill and to Rams Head with my normal skis.

    Hoping to do a few more adventures out, I like the wider ski so something like the Soul 7s might be good, I will try and find a lighter binding though.

    What other suggestions are there?
     
  12. Chaeron

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    Looks flat
     
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    Is that the Matterhorn?
     
  14. Chaeron

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    Those 2 brothers did some wicked descents this Spring. More info on Planet Mountain.
     
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  16. Chaeron

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  17. Rick Ross Da Boss

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    Black crow Navis,Camox or Corvus
     
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  18. Chaeron

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    Tech. bindings - bypass frame!

    Plum, Dynafit Radical, depending on your pocket, desire for grunt or lightness...
     
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    I reckon too heavy and too ordinary on firm snow. It may also diminish your street cred with some - notorious dad ski, that one!

    I'm going to throw down and say that the Blizzard ZG108 is one of the best touring skis out there. For performance to weight ratio, it kills it. And you can find them on discount pretty easily too.

    Definitely this. Maybe aim for something in the middle of the field in terms of weight and function - Dynafit Radical, Salomon MTN, and ATK Free Raider are all good options for a first tech binding.
     
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  20. CarveMan

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    Cough: https://aussieskier.com/collections/ski-binding-packages/alpine-touring-skis (we've got a few more combos to package up and will tweak the pricing on the crows packages - 10% off the binding and skin but not the ski)

    @skull please please please get some pin boots. That will stop you from making more f-ed up decisions down the road with touring skis. I sell so many touring rigs that make me cry because the person won't address the boot situation.
     
  21. Chaeron

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    Pin boots allow for light touring.

    And when you’re lifting a lighter combination of boots, bindings and skis multiple times over vertical metres and touring distance this has a MASSIVE impact on your touring range, your energy levels, and your performance.

    It’s the difference between a stoked tour and being grumpy and tired.

    Even 500g lighter per leg is like 4kg+ less off your back!
     
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  23. Rick Ross Da Boss

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    And savage blisters!
     
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  24. skull

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    Thanks.

    So obviously the recommendation is don’t compromise with alpine boots and frames but get tech binding and pin boots.

    Will take a bit more negotiation with the finance officer but I think it’s doable.
     
  25. Chaeron

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    The minister of war and finance is likely to respond well to suggestions that the better equipment makes return from the back country more certain - the safety card can always be played to good effect.
     
  26. Snow Blowey

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    I tried Fritschi Tectons at Thredbo last weekend. They skied really well compared to say a dynafit touring binding. Didn't tour in them but they look very easy to use.

    Not as light as a dynafit but a pretty good choice for mostly resort with a bit of side touring. And a nice classic heel for people with weakened ankles!
     
  27. Untele-whippet

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    And a DIN pin toe release for untele ankles too.
    Just waiting to try out my rig too.
     
  28. Rick Ross Da Boss

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    Have done 3 20 plus km days this season in the tectons, I’m a big fan. Just a good no nonsense setup
     
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    The best pin boots - comfy as old slippers and plenty of flex.

     
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    Are they Alicos ?Andrew Claut ?

    I am a fan of leather boots....good for walking in....perhaps a good season for Leather boots this season!
     
  32. rols

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    You seem to only stock touring boots from the heavier "4 buckle" category. Is that what the local market dictates?
     
  33. Mister Tee on XC Skis

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    Doug at EMC sells these Latest model Fischer Pin duck bill ski boots. They are the Duck bill version of the same NNN BC boot I am using these days. Such a good boot with extra ankle support and warm and comfy too.
     
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    I haven't really had any "feedback from the ankle for the last 9 months. But once back in a ski bot i did get some feedback. I could feel a bit of weakness in the damaged deltoid tendon (inside of ankle to the heel) just walking in ski boots. A couple of times i twisted and lifted whilst locked into the ski and i had all sorts of flash backs of that feeling i had when it happened.

    On the groomers it was fine. I got a little bit apprehensive skiing a slow heavy funnel web on tired legs sunday afternoon. Couple of turns the ski felt like it could turn back underneath me again but i guess that should get stronger with more skiing.

    And man those AT boots are stiff and hit your shins hard. I lost skin off my shin on sunday.
     
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    The thing with boots now is that you can get them with Tech fittings that have no compromise to Alpine performance, boots like the Tecnica Cochise and the Lange XT Free. They don’t tour like a dedicated light touring boot, but I’d prefer a Cochise and Pins to a light touring boot and frames.

    So basically we are now imploring people who like skiing off the groomers to consider a boot with tech fittings and a walk mode so they don’t get railroaded in to a poor decision later down the track.

    Cos I’m sick of selling shit touring rigs.
     
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    Pretty much. We are looking at lighter options but it gets much harder from a retail perspective.
     
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    https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/elw...p_ios&utm_medium=social&utm_source=ios_social
    Bloody cheap!!
     
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    Oh and FWIW we’ve really expanded our range of light touring skis and bindings, but boots is harder.
     
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    IMO side country rigs are going to outsell full tour. Anything people feel comfortable on, in and out of bounds. Seeing more pins these days in the morning lineup. I would still say go at least two specific setups for this crowd though. In bounds a bit of weight on your feet can be a good thing. But it never, ever, ever is when touring.
     
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    And I guess where I'm trying to shift the mindset is that a heavy, metal laminate freeride ski with a Duke or a Guardian isn't a 'side-country' ski, it's a no-country ski. They're heavy, cumbersome and do a bad job of both skiing in and out of the resort. The classic example is something we've sold a lot of, Blizzard Bonafide with a Baron and no skins. I developed guns just from picking these things up.

    My idea of a 'side country' ski is an alpine ski that's on the lighter end of the spectrum like a Head Kore or a Fischer Ranger, paired with a Tecton or a Shift. A couple of years ago I took a K2 Pinnacle 105 with a Kingpin to Europe. Certainly not a light touring ski but was good to have Alpine performance in the BC, but I also had a super light touring rig for big/multi-day stuff.

    And then you can go full touring ski with a Crows Freebird or a K2 Wayback with a G3 Zed, Marker Alpinist, ATK etc
     
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    Yes, I had noticed that, which made me wonder about about why no touring focused boots. My logic is probably too simple but I would have imagined someone buying some Wayback 88's & alpinist bindings would wan't to pair this type of setup with a light boot.
     
  43. Rick Ross Da Boss

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    Yeah they r big
     
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    The thing is that once a person is down that kind of rabbit hole they tend to want some seriously obscure stuff like La Sportiva or Scarpa etc and no matter what you stock you're unlikely to carry exactly what they are after - this person is pretty particular with their gear and rightly so.

    And with boots, if you want to do things properly which we do, you have to carry a full range of sizes and it turns out to be quite the financial investment for something you've absolutely no guarantee of selling though before the next model comes out. Plus the wholesalers of these brands don't carry much/any backup stock so you're kind of on your own there.

    The new Tecnica Zero G models are pretty sweet, we can get the Atomic Backland and also the Salomon S Lab boot as it's easy for us to deal with the established Alpine boot wholesalers so as they produce more BC focused models that's easier for us to work with.

    Skis/bindings are a different story - the bindings can go on all sorts of skis, and the skis themselves, you only need to stock 2 or 3 sizes at worst.
     
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    Skull, if the finance committee is an issue I have a pair of 2017 Vokyl VTA 88 lite 180cm mounted with Dynafit Radical ST demo bindings together with factory cut Vokyl skins (a Coltex mohair/nylon mix) which I was planing to list for sale shortly. I bought them pretty cheaply as ex demo skis from Sport Conrad 2 years ago. Hence I was planing to only ask a very modest price for them. The bases are pretty much perfect.

    Send me a PM if you are interested.

    The photos are illustrative of the skis and bindings.
     
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    @skull Like many here, my BC journey began on clunky frame bindings. I wasted money on Fritschi Freeride, Marker Dukes, non-tech compatible boots and heavy skis....... gradually I moved towards the light and my first foray on tech (Dynafit) bindings was an epiphanous moment (some also say the same for freeing the heel.... but that is another matter). I would have saved quite a few dollars in going directly to tech.

    This year I wish to take my partner backcountry skiing and after a dabble last year on pretty god hire gear (Atomic boots, Kingpin bindings) I didn't hesitate in going straight for the gold standard for lightness in kitting her out:



    Yep, that lot is worth more than my car....... but the cost will be long forgotten when you are miles from the resort with a big grin on your face.
     
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    There is only one thing to know about BC gear prior to going shopping.

    Light is right, provided it does the job and will survive BC activities.
     
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    And another way of describing this is that you need less performance in the BC than you think. Especially if you're in an area with compromised SAR outcomes, ie on Bogong in weather that precludes a chopper, you should think twice about really sending it on the way down.
     
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    I went straight to Tech. One of my better decisions.
     
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    One of the good things about the backland, if you were going to stock them, is the memoryfit shell. I did a lot of shell work at home to make some work for me and I imagine any boot fitter could easily make them work for a lot of different feet.
     
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