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the BC chatter thread

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by piolet, Jul 14, 2011.

  1. POW_hungry

    POW_hungry Old n' Crusty Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Last weekend before the hoards of people and rain set in.
    More images and full blog post HERE (incl a few words).
     
  2. Untele-whippet

    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

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    Nice words and pics.
     
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  3. ecowain

    ecowain One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Yes, a number of times. It’s a good fly down from there as well. Apparently :)
     
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  4. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator

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    Scabby Tarn is quite easy to find. It's shown on the topo but it's in the no go zone for now. Slim pickings atm with so much out of bounds. Might have a look at Bimberi from the North despite rumours of thick scrub a few years back. . A direct approach to Mt Morgan from the Southern flanks could be fun too.
     
  5. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator

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    Good shot of the Silloughette slabs.
     
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  6. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator

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    This one may be interesting.
     
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  7. Ramshead

    Ramshead One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Ok so this post answers a long-standing question that has lurked in my mind for years.

    So a while back, I was flying Syd to Melb and I did that sit on the left thing so you can see the mountains and I saw a small shimmering disc in the Scabby area and went is that a small elevated lake? How could that be a lake? Why have I never heard of a lake in those parts? I put it down to morning light shining off rocks which were maybe mossy and dew covered or I don’t know what. But I told myself I was mad for thinking it was a lake. Now I know. You people are gods
     
  8. Untele-whippet

    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

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  9. VSG

    VSG Crayon Master Moderator

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    It can dry out without too much trouble. Transient. And according to one of our flock, it has a small cousin not far away. Well spotted, Ramshead. :)
     
  10. Ramshead

    Ramshead One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Def on the to visit list now. Can’t wait!
     
  11. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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  12. zapruda

    zapruda One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    With all this rain it should be full for some time. Although I’m not sure what effect all the burn will have in keeping it full.

    The whole Scabby Range is just speccy as. I’ve been walking up there pretty regularly for a decade and not once have I come across another soul. Access is steep and scrubby but quick. I’ve spent days just pointlessly wandering up there.

    as I mentioned a few posts back, there is also a second tarn that is worth a visit, it’s not technically on the range but close enough. I’ve never heard anyone else talking about the second one. It’s really nice, although not so much now that it’s burnt...

    The “well known” tarn is easy enough to find on the maps and when you are there. Beautiful spot. There are also a couple of overhangs/caves throughout the range that are brilliant in bad weather and were probably used well before Europeans came here.

    After the fires I was also quite surprised to stumble across a few different sections of very old and barley visible double track up there. Not typical of dray tracks but more like to vehicle tracks. Maybe they were put in during the 2003 fires.
     
  13. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    An unsuccessful attempt to ride Sams Creek FT about four years ago, used to be able to, I wonder now?
     
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  14. zapruda

    zapruda One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    The approach up or down Clear Ridge makes it interesting. A nice overnight loop looks something like:

    Day 1

    Park at Lone Pine FT gate
    Up the FT
    Climb Mt Morgan
    Drop down to Half Moon Saddle
    Climb Half Moon
    Down Clear Ridge
    Pick up the fire trail
    Camp next to the Murrumbidgee or Pedens Hut

    Day 2

    Cross the Murrumbidgee
    Head for Horse Camp campground
    Pockets saddle road
    Murray Gap trail
    Visit Oldfields
    And back along Lone Pine FT to the car.
     
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  15. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    What were you thinking?
     
  16. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I was thinking, last time we made it heaps further! We ended up backtracking and doing Sentry Box instead of Kelly.
     
  17. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator

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  18. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator

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    Doubtful that they were dozer tracks from 2003.
     
  19. zapruda

    zapruda One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Why are you doubtful? Do you have any alternate explanations? Sphagnum bog repair in the headwaters of the cotter and surrounding bogs was done by chopper from memory. No one grazed up there and there weren’t any mining operations either. I’m not talking about the flat under Kelly where Sams Creek FT passed through (where there was grazing). This is up high under Mt Scabby and at the headwaters of the Cotter.

    There are tracks still visible made from bullock drays all over the high country that are upwards of 150 years old.

    Edit: Possibly put in during the 1983 fire. Refer to page 23, last paragraph - https://www.environment.act.gov.au/...f_the_Australian_Capital_Territory_screen.pdf

    More mention of the 83 dozer track near the bog on page 4 - https://openresearch-repository.anu...436/14/01_Hope_A_tale_of_two_swamps-_2008.pdf
     
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  20. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    There are very old, 40 years maybe dozer tracks in Tas still evident.
     
  21. VSG

    VSG Crayon Master Moderator

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    Visible on SixMaps. Due south at around 1665m.




    Note the Scale, lower left
     
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  22. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator

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    Yes plenty of older stuff but from what i remember there was very little work done in 2003
     
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    VSG Crayon Master Moderator

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    Cotter Source Bog, refd in your ANU survey, shows up under repair in SixMaps
    Date unknown.

     
  24. zapruda

    zapruda One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Awesome. You can see the chopper in the last photo next to the bog and sunshade.
     
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  25. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator

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    Talked some folks into doing Hannels again last night , in an Irish Pub :rolleyes:.
     
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  26. GS

    GS Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Cleaning out our office and found the old article from the successful 2004 Bogong rescue.

     
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  27. pegasusSki

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    In the book - 2nd Edition?!
     
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  28. MattyHoll

    MattyHoll Hard Yards

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    I went for A drive out to Yaouk today and was wondering if the scabby range is accessible from the NSW side? I didn’t come across anything that was sign posted for Yaouk nature reserve either, which sits south east of Yaouk rd, although might be accessible via Stewartfield Rd, which runs off Bobeyan. Can anyone confirm either of these?
     
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  29. zapruda

    zapruda One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Scabby Range is technically closed according to this NPWS map below. But it’s also not closed according to its own alerts page on the NPWS website... There is also no signage up at the gates like there was in KNP for closures.

    https://www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.a...osciuszko-spring-summer-closures-map-2020.pdf

    Access to Scabby Range is fine from the NSW side. It’s the quickest way to the top. There are a few points that are better than others. It all depends where you want to go. If your aim is Mt Scabby and Kelly the best access is through Private property, namely Rowleys hut or Noonameena. If you want I can give you some phone numbers of the owners to ask their permission. They are really nice and happy for people to use the hut and park their cars to access the range. Let me know.
     
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  30. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Recommendations on camping mats? I have an old downmat which I want to replace. What I don’t like about it - baffles lengthwise, I feel like I’m going to roll off, and too narrow, as a side sleeper I end up with a knee on the ground.

    Looking for something warm and light. Initially just car camping, but considering gradually getting hiking kit together, possibly one day even snow camping. I’m short, female and sleep on my side. So width is more important than length (we all know it’s true ;)). Don’t want baffles lengthwise. My downmat is 15 yrs old, quality and comfort > price.
     
  31. jonathanc

    jonathanc One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Do mats that make crinkly noises bother you?
     
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    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah could do, though I tend to have earplugs anyway. Which ones are crinkly?
     
  33. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I don't use my backpack mat car camping, seriously, go to a foam and rubber place, and get something so comfortable its ridiculous, and only use the packing one for purpose.

    I am on a Downmat, so cant help you there, new one though, much lighter, and the mummy shape, so not as wide as my old one.
     
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  34. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I got my swag mattress, but I actually slept better on the downmat in the back of the car. Plus easier to pack the car (lifts, carpark etc).
     
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  35. Untele-whippet

    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

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    https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/topics/camping-and-hiking/best-camping-mattress

    https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/topics/camping-and-hiking/best-sleeping-pad-womens
     
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  36. jonathanc

    jonathanc One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    A mate has one of the sea to summit mats, I think it's the ultralight? So comfortable but the crinkling drives him nuts. Doesn't worry me at all - I have a Synmat that I'm not a huge fan of for the same reasons as you. I should offer to buy his mat...
     
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  37. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Swag mats are nothing like what a pro foam guy can sell you, but space is a thing, mine is bulky, cant be rolled, some special foam, but so so comfy, better than most accommodation beds (I often park and sleep in the van when sharing accommodation with friends its that good). But I has van.

    The Thermarest gets a good rap, and they have been around for ages, I had one of their original ones for decades.
     
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  38. Chaeron

    Chaeron Ski-Hike-Blade-Bike-Kayak Ski Pass: Gold

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    The new Thermarest are very good.

    Exped not always reliable.

    Paddy Palin frequently have good deals on Thermarests.
     
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  39. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I was tending to the Thermarest, had swapped to Downmat maybe 15 years ago (my Thermarest was thin, but worked), but got another Downmat cheap through a contact, so...

    If I was straight out buying one, it would be my pick to try. The S2S ones look OK too, but I have heard the noise thing from a many sources.
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    #18340 skifree, Oct 18, 2020 at 9:29 PM
    Last edited: Oct 19, 2020 at 6:54 AM
  41. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    The mattress that came with my swag boot binned quickly. I bought a new one from a foam place, kids use it on my floor. It’s pretty comfy, but bulky. I had a cheap Kathmandu self inflator for many years, wasn’t very thick but very comfy.
     
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  42. TheFake

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    I've been looking in a similar space (car camping, side sleeper, comfy), and whilst I haven't had a chance to check one out in the shops yet, the S2S Comfort Deluxe SI and the Exped Megamat seemed like they were the pick. ~10cms thick, and allegedly pack up about the same size as the old inch thick thermarest I've been using.

    I've considered a foam pad, but I'd really like something that doesn't take up the entire boot, and there isnt a huge deal of space with a set of drawers and a fridge in there.
     
  43. CarveMan

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    So I got my Garmin GPSMAP 66i as per the other thread and am now down a map rabbit hole!

    It came with the Garmin Topo Active maps and I've downloaded Vic and NSW OSM maps as per this thread: https://bushwalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=28893 - it also comes with access to Garmin's 'Birdseye' Satellite mapping so I've dabbled with that too.

    What are people's thoughts on OSM as a map source for an offline, handheld GPS, and is there anything else I should be looking at?

    I have a few paper maps & won't hesitate to buy more, I learned that from our guide in Europe, any time on a road trip when we rolled in to a new town the first thing he'd do was buy an IGN map.

    I can't imagine the map data being too grossly bad from a MTB perspective, I'm more interested in the device from an InReach perspective if I'm MTB-ing solo, but for ski touring I do want it to be the go-to device if the shit hits the fan.
     
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  44. kylep

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    I’ve found plenty of issue with OSM data on the bike, mostly related to access, such as roads that have been shut off, or easements that are blocked. But these are urban/ semi-urban settings, and I imagine less people worried about correcting them. I’d hope the necessity, as well as the type of people using info in alpine settings would mean they’re more likely to be corrected.

    are you easily able to compare the garmin and osm maps, as well as your paper versions, at home? For Gar,in I’ve found the iPad experience is best for the explore app. I’m guessing you be looking for particular geographic features and safety/danger poi’s
     
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    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Interesting that the reviews above say the S2S is really quiet, while the Thermarest is really noisy. Will have to test run.
     
  46. jonathanc

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    If you're in Canberra just duck out to Paddy Pallin - they used to have a bunch of different mats out that you could test.
     
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  47. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah I will. And Mont.
     
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    I have an Exped Megamat for car camping. It is very, very comfortable, very warm (probably too warm for summer) and relatively easy to roll up although still ends up quite bulky. similar to our previous 2” thermarest ‘camprest’
     
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  49. SMSkier

    SMSkier One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Anyone lose it? Or know someone?

     
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    it123 Hard Yards Ski Pass: Gold

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    I use Gaia, it comes as a phone app as well as desktop app.