The big Myoko/Madarao/Arai thread - 2017/18

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  1. Zimboo

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    Hi nfip, I really like Madarao and can do a week there easily. Sure, it's not a big place but there are so many different lines through the trees, I never get bored. If it's dumping the tree skiing is brilliant. If you have a car (and god forbid if it doesn't snow for a couple of days) you can also easily scoot over to Nozawa from Madarao for a day to two to break it up.
    Eating out options are far less at Madarao, but if you alternate between eating dinner at your accomm and the next night out there's enough variety around for a week. Another big plus if you have a car is the ease to get down to Iiyama to hit up the supermarket for goodies and also grab a meal at a large variety of eating options. Hope that helps.
    P.S. I said to my young bloke last year, that I could also easily base myself in Iiyama for a few weeks. The only downer there is you have to drive to a hill everyday, and when it's puking i'd rather just walk to a lift.
     
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    @nfip base yourself at either for the couple of weeks.. hire a car... there are many resorts you can check out all within say an hour drive from Myoko or Madarao to check out.
     
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    Yeah thx lads.:thumbs:
    Pretty much confirms my thoughts.
    Looks to be plenty of options there , and most of us won't need the lifts to enjoy our day.
    The other bloke well we don't care about him any way so....;)
    Think we're all 3rd or 4th time to Japow so got a reasonable feel for the biz.
    Particularly my ACL :eek:
    Will most likely do the week at each .
     
  4. Zimboo

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    Nothing wrong with taking the lifts at Madarao nfip, last year it was only 12,000Y for a 3 day pass with lunch included each day (using coupon)!!
    Must be one of the best value hills in Japan!
     
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    Happy with that.
    Will probs be on the Ranger and F12 setup , not the full tech.
    Any tips for Madarao accom.?
    Have tested the water with some click bait b& b for now , includes lift tix.
     
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  6. Zimboo

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    Have stayed at a couple of places:
    Highly recommend this:
    http://www.annex-aburaya.com
    Fabulous location (on the hill), good value, great hosts, great food, very clean.
    Was about $100 per person per day, cooked breakfast, big dinner, bed (Japanese or western).
    or
    http://pension.woodyhil.net
    Very clean, 5 minute walk (slight up hill) to mountain in the morning, good value and food, great hosts. Small convenience store around the corner.
    Was about $70 per person per day, cooked breakfast, big dinner, bed. (Japanese or western).
    P.S. Keep this on file as well to print out discount coupons before you go. http://www.snownavi.com/en/
    I have used the lift/lunch coupons from them for Hakuba, Shiga, Madarao and Myoko.
    Basically gets you a free lunch everyday compared to normal pricing.
     
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    Cheers mate.
    Will check them out.
     
  8. Zimboo

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    @nfip let us know what you end up booking (local and date range). I haven't booked anything yet.......including airfares.
    Wife & Daughter are off to Europe in September (spent their quota), Son has been invited to surf in a comp in Nusa Lembongan in early October (spent his quota) and looking like not available for Japan in Feb due to last year Uni commitments . I may be going solo in Feb........don't know yet.
    P.S. If we are in the same area, I can keep your mate who only rides lifts company, as the only place I walk to is a place of good beer and food. LOL
     
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    @nfip forgot to mention yesterday another place that M_G recommends is Bergland Madarao Pension which looks about the same sort of walk (distance wise) as Woody Hill Pension but different direction. I believe there is a convenience store near Bergland as well.
     
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    Thx.
    Will check them out later.
    After several beers last night I held a committee meeting ;) and it's looking like week at Madarao from the 5th then 2nd week at Akakura .
    Now , my snorkel......:)
     
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    And when at Madarao, make sure to check out Tangram. It's underated, if you know where to go.
     
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    Don't forget a day at Togakushi and Cupid Valley :D
     
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    Definitely include Tangram. If no fresh we don't bother including it but if it's snowing.............include.
    They charged us an extra 500Y per day to include Tangram using the lift pass/lunch voucher.
    @nfip ......hit up Aki's Pub & Cafe. "Aki" will give you the low down on the best spots to go.........also guides.
     
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    Usually, while the Aussies are tracking out the trees at Madarao, there's plenty of powder at Tangram, with almost nobody there.
     
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    Hi all, heading back to Myoko first 2 weeks of Feb. Thinking about using the chu taxi from Narita to Nagano after a night in Narita, done the trains 4 times now. Its a bit more expensive 2 of us, but thinking I might see a bit more of the country, any thoughts?
     
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    If you actually go up the chuo expressway you see a few cities. on joshinetsu its mostly tunnels and the odd bit of mountain scenery through to nagano. You do see a bit of the outskirts of tokyo on both but its not amazing. Chuo is great on a nice day if you can see fuji san.
     
  17. M_G

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    Yep, if you can't find your dates online, drop me a PM and I'll check with the owner. Apart from Bergland and Aburaya check out
    Alp Bach, RingoJam & Tobs House.

    @mannyk if you're staying in Narita I don't see the sense in then taking the taxi. You'll see more from the train.
     
  18. Zimboo

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    Another way after a night in Narita is A) NEX express to Shinjuku, B) Highway bus to Nagano station, C) local train to Myoko Kogen. D) Taxi to accom. Fun day IMO.
    Edit: Forgot to mention.....probs about half the price of chuo taxi. ;)
    A) = Y2000pp, B) = Y3200pp, C) Y830pp, D) Y900pp if 2 of you.
     
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    Highway bus is fun as hell! even more so if you get on a overnight sleeper!
     
  20. Zimboo

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    Dude, read manyk's question. Overnight in Narita, and next day travelling through the day to Myoko and asking about what people think about Chuo taxi. So, he is considering road transport as a alternative to train which he said he has done 4 times before (to change it up and see more). I provided him with an option I have done without issue and enjoyed greatly. :)
    Saturday night in NZ, getting late, much Speights? :confused:
     
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    The best sights, if you're driving, and you have a bit of time (particularly if landing at Haneda Airport, and a sunny day), is to go via the Bayshore Route to Yokohama, then Route 16 (expressway) to the Tomei Expressway. Then drive west, off at Gotenba, then take the Higashi Fujigoko toll road, which runs along the eastern slopes of Mt Fuji. Then head towards the Chuo Expressway.


    You could also stop off and visit Lake Kawaguchi:
     
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    Thank you for your input.. appreciated.
     
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    Great info, do you have an approx travel time for Nex train and Shinjuku bus,?
     
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    As we are using black cat for our bags to Myoko we are also going to spend a night in Nagano, we have been to the temple in the past so also looking for ideas of other things to see, or another suggestion of the overnight instead of Nagano?
     
  25. Zimboo

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    NEX Express takes about 90 minutes: http://www.jreast.co.jp/e/nex/
    NEX Express Timetable: http://www.eki-net.com/pc/jreast-sh...nglish/wb/common/timetable/e_nex_u/index.html
    Note: you will see on the timetable what looks like two different trains leaving at the same time from Narita. What happens is one train leaves Narita but when it gets to Tokyo the train splits in two, where half the train goes onto Shinjuku. Your reserved seat for Shinjuku puts you in the correct part of the train for when it splits.
    At Shinjuku station take the Sth Exit to the new bus terminal:
    https://www.shinjukustation.com/new-shinjuku-expressway-bus-terminal-basuta-shinjuku/
    You can reserve your seats online for the highway bus (only available 1 mth before travel), then present reservation at the terminal counters and pay in cash.
    Travel time on the bus is 3hrs 40 minutes to Nagano.
    https://highway-buses.jp/course/nagano.php
     
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    thanks.. :thumbs:
     
  27. Zimboo

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    Yamanouchi & Snow monkeys?
    http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e6025.html
    Or maybe Shibu Onsen?
    http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e6029.html
     
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    Active Life looks decent. Price , location , recent renovations ...
    Anything not so good there ?
     
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    Lots of choices at Madarao at the moment as there are several new Aussie places. Just decide what is important for you to make your decision. They are all slightly different offerings.
     
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    I dont drink speights. And i said highways buses are fun, more fun if you get a sleeper. i dont see the issue here?
     
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    Sorry, thought you were being sarcastic. I took "fun as hell" as meaning you thought the highway bus was terrible. All good.........we all move on.
     
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    Looks like another of the new Aussie/OS investments?
    Partly re-opened last season as far as I could tell, so not a very long history yet. (which doesn't mean it's good or bad).
    Looks like they have two locations, the cheaper being near Bergland Lodge?
    I think you'll enjoy wherever you choose, closer to lifts/centre/restaurants the better within budget. IMO
     
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    Looks to be pretty much across the road from the lifts / opposite a couple of tennis courts.
    All I need is some pow pow , a few quiet beers , bowl of rice ( with something decent on it - I don't really need know what it is ;)) and a futon.
    Wash rinse repeat.
     
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    Same!! :)
    Their website indicates they have 2 properties a)Hakken by Active Life & b) Active life Madarao. The closer one (which you are looking at) is more expensive than the other.
    Location is good for the more expensive option.
    http://beactive.life
     
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    Pretty spivvy renovation. Location a little so so IMHO in regards to slopes but presume they will run you back and forth. 2 or 3 good restaurants nearby.
     
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    Togakushi Village. But TBH, you know what I recommend? Go all the way to Kanazawa spend 1-2 nights there then come back to JoetsuMyoko Station. Maybe get yourself a Hokuriku Arch Pass.
     
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    Thanks MG. Will have a look. Cheers mate
     
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    Y6000 day passes!! :eek:
     
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    o_O
     
  41. Draizuh

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    A full day pass at happo is 5200. Havent got 8 bucks??
     
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    Be interesting to see if they have coupons. But seriously you can get day passes online for Akakan for 2,500. That's a huge difference.

    Then again if you're staying in a $500 a night room at Arai you're not worried about 6,000 a day for lift tickets. It's not planned as a place for cheapskates. ;)
     
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    Almost getting towards Niseko prices!!!! ;)
     
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    I wonder how Lotte earn between May and mid December, when their ski slopes are closed. I mean, with low latitude and low altitude, the ski resorts in Niigata and Nagano have relatively shorter skiing season compared to major ski resorts in North America and Europe. I think major hotel chains like Lotte are not satisfied to earn only between late December and mid April.
     
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    I'm willing to pay more for weekends if it can make weekends less crowded. Whenever I go to Tokyo Disney Land, I think the ticket should be more expensive. If the weekend ticket is more expensive, Tokyo Disney Land will be less crowded weekends. For example, If you go to Tokyo Disney Land weekends, you need to wait in line for 2 hours or even more for popular attractions such as roller coasters:confused:. I feel it's waste of money. I feel l'm paying more for waiting in line for hours than attractions.

    I don't think Arai will be crowded weekdays but I think it can be crowded weekends and on holidays, considering Arai is a long-awaited ski resort for many local skiers and they will rush to Arai weekends. Most local skiers have jobs weekdays, so I think they won't come weekdays but I think Arai can be crowded with local skiers weekends.

    If I spend a week in Myoko Area in 2017-18, I will ski at Arai weekdays and at other ski resorts in the vicinity on weekends.
     
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    That's why I never go to Tokyo Disneyland / Disneysea on weekends, public holidays or school holidays. I've seen 3hour lines there.... Never again
     
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    Yeah, it means theme parks like Tokyo Disney resort are in very high demand in Tokyo Metropolitan Area, so they should build another Disneyland or similar theme park around Odaiba, Haneda airport, Narita airport or Ibaraki airport:whistle:. If it's near Narita airport or Haneda airport, foreign people coming to Japan for skiing can visit easily:thumbs:. I'm not sure if there is enough land for it near Haneda airport but I think there is around Narita. Why Ibaraki airport?. It's because there is nothing around Ibaraki airport = enough land to build a large resort and reasonable to buy enough land for the resort + It's relatively near Tokyo Metropolitan Area + It's near my Japanese family's house;)
     
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    No different to the one in LA
     
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    Or Orlando.
    Anyway........thank god "Walt" didn't build a park in the hills of Nagano / Niigata.
    That's my "stay on topic" reminder. LOL
     
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    Disney will never build a park there but Lotte might build a park like Disneyland. You know, Lotte, the Korean company which bought Arai resort own the world's biggest indoor theme park Lotte World in South Korea. Building and operating theme parks is one of their business. Lotte want to attract people to their hotels in Arai in summer too, so no wonder if they build a theme park like Lotte World near the ski slopes:rolleyes:. At least, the local government of Myoko city will be willing to support Lotte because they want more people to visit Myoko city all year around:whistle:. Rusutsu resort is a good example. Rusutsu also has an amusement park next to their ski slopes to attract people in non-ski seasons. There is a golf resort next to the Arai resort. Golf + Lotte World + Climbing & Hiking around Mt.Myoko + Onsen + Yummy Sake for Lotte hotels in Myoko city to attract enough guests in summer too;)

    About Lotte World
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotte_World

    I think I should stay on topic:p
     
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