The big Myoko/Madarao/Arai thread - 2017/18

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Which ones that one? I usually eat at Tangram.
the building at the bottom of a lot of the runs at Madarao, has a ticket office in it and near the lower car park.

PS at Tangram you can also have unlimited soft drink top-ups! the kids get their sugar overdose for the day.
 

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Edit: No reason not to, just been involved in our kids and their after school activities / sports for many years to help them become good citizens. May get involved as hair gets grey and kids farkorf. :)
 
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If I go to Nozawa Onsen from a ski resort in Myoko area by car and want to arrive in Nozawa Onsen at 8:30am, what time should I leave Myoko?. I mean, on weekdays in winter. 7am to 9am is morning rush hour, so I wonder if I get caught in the rush‐hour traffic.
 

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If I go to Nozawa Onsen from a ski resort in Myoko area by car and want to arrive in Nozawa Onsen at 8:30am, what time should I leave Myoko?. I mean, on weekdays in winter. 7am to 9am is morning rush hour, so I wonder if I get caught in the rush‐hour traffic.
Leave in the dark.............depends on weather obviously.
I would leave at 6.30am and relax, but that might mean you have to get up at 5am to clear the snow from car.
 
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If I go to Nozawa Onsen from a ski resort in Myoko area by car and want to arrive in Nozawa Onsen at 8:30am, what time should I leave Myoko?. I mean, on weekdays in winter. 7am to 9am is morning rush hour, so I wonder if I get caught in the rush‐hour traffic.

If I don't get stuck behind a k-truck I can do it in about 50 minutes (via Madarao). Maybe leave by 7.15. Traffic is not that busy - we are after all in big time inaka!
 
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If I don't get stuck behind a k-truck I can do it in about 50 minutes (via Madarao). Maybe leave by 7.15. Traffic is not that busy - we are after all in big time inaka!
As long as the window is up the night before!!!!! LOL
 
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LOL (& Noosa) thread. Back on topic................................................

Please dump the (& Noosa). We don't need anymore surfers here!!!!
 

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Ha. Just noticed the thread title change.

Also apologies for being a part of that derail.
 

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I was reading an article about Madarao. It seems a company which runs two hotels "Madarao Hillside Hotel" and "Hotel Sympathique Madarao" went bankrupt a few months ago. Madarao Hillside Hotel = 250 rooms and Sympathique Madarao = 288 rooms, so 538 rooms in total.

Madarao Hillside Hotel / 斑尾ヒルサイドホテル
https://www.google.co.jp/maps/place/斑尾ヒルサイドホテル/@36.8540838,138.2876347,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x5ff61862e7333039:0x5ad0757c0a5f5f45!8m2!3d36.8540838!4d138.2898234

Sympathique Madarao / サンパティック斑尾
https://www.google.co.jp/maps/place/サンパティック斑尾/@36.8528991,138.2915937,16z/data=!4m12!1m6!3m5!1s0x5ff61862e7333039:0x5ad0757c0a5f5f45!2z5paR5bC-44OS44Or44K144Kk44OJ44Ob44OG44Or!8m2!3d36.8540838!4d138.2898234!3m4!1s0x0:0xdefacd3a4161303a!8m2!3d36.8545206!4d138.2969043

I think Myoko area is getting more potential than a few years ago with Lotte Arai resort, the new Shinkansen station, and increasing number of tourists from China and South Korea to Japan. Madarao has three 1,000m vertical drop ski resorts in the vicinity, Myoko Suginohara, Lotte Arai and Nozawa Onsen and Madarao itself has good off-piste & tree runs. So Madarao can be a good day trip destination from Myoko, Arai, Nozawa Onsen, etc. I hope someone will invest in the ski area to make it more one united ski area.
 
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I was reading an article about Madarao. It seems a company which runs two hotels "Madarao Hillside Hotel" and "Hotel Sympathique Madarao" went bankrupt a few months ago. Madarao Hillside Hotel = 250 rooms and Sympathique Madarao = 288 rooms, so 538 rooms in total.

Madarao Hillside Hotel / 斑尾ヒルサイドホテル
https://www.google.co.jp/maps/place/斑尾ヒルサイドホテル/@36.8540838,138.2876347,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x5ff61862e7333039:0x5ad0757c0a5f5f45!8m2!3d36.8540838!4d138.2898234

Sympathique Madarao / サンパティック斑尾
https://www.google.co.jp/maps/place/サンパティック斑尾/@36.8528991,138.2915937,16z/data=!4m12!1m6!3m5!1s0x5ff61862e7333039:0x5ad0757c0a5f5f45!2z5paR5bC-44OS44Or44K144Kk44OJ44Ob44OG44Or!8m2!3d36.8540838!4d138.2898234!3m4!1s0x0:0xdefacd3a4161303a!8m2!3d36.8545206!4d138.2969043

I think Myoko area is getting more potential than a few years ago with Lotte Arai resort, the new Shinkansen station, and increasing number of tourists from China and South Korea to Japan. Madarao has three 1,000m vertical drop ski resorts in the vicinity, Myoko Suginohara, Lotte Arai and Nozawa Onsen and Madarao itself has good off-piste & tree runs. So Madarao can be a good day trip destination from Myoko, Arai, Nozawa Onsen, etc. I hope someone will invest in the ski area to make it more one united ski area.
I met the owner of the business that owns these hotels. The business owned the other 2 resorts on Mt Madarao as well as lots of businesses in Madarao. Hearing this makes me wonder if he has died. When I met him his health was failing. It will be very sad for others at Madarao and huge loss if this has happened. :cry:
 
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I met the owner of the business that owns these hotels. The business owned the other 2 resorts on Mt Madarao as well as lots of businesses in Madarao. Hearing this makes me wonder if he has died. When I met him his health was failing. It will be very sad for others at Madarao and huge loss if this has happened. :cry:
Hillside Hotel also had a Yamasaki convenience store, so another hole to fill if hotel is closed.
 
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Madarao Hillside Hotel = 250 rooms and Sympathique Madarao = 288 rooms, so 538 rooms in total.

Sorry, not the number of the rooms but the maximum number of people who can be accommodated in the hotels.
 

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Hillside Hotel also had a Yamasaki convenience store, so another hole to fill if hotel is closed.

How about buying it:rolleyes:?. It can be less than 1 million USD considering Lotte bought Arai at 12 million USD or so:thumbs:. All lifts, ski slopes, hotels, etc were included and it was only 12 million USD or so;)
 

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Lotte Arai Resort was on tv news for the first time. It says they offer many non ski activities too including fishing.
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Korean Air will have more flights between Seoul and Niigata in the wake of Lotte Arai Resort opening this winter.
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I wonder why ex Arai resort could host UCI MTB World Cup in 1998 and 2000. I mean, only 6 to 8 races are held every year, so there are only 6 to 8 venues of UCI MTB World Cup per year. In the video you post above, the commentary is saying "About 22,000 people came to Arai resort to see the MTB World Cup today". "MTB races are not popular yet in Japan, but it's very popular in Europe and 40,000 people come to see per day". It's a big event that can attract quite a large number of people, so I assume there are many ski resorts in the world that want to host MTB World Cup.

MTB is the future, there is more money in that than winter sports now. Hell they are even MTB'ing in snow now with the fat bikes... Just look at Whistler. You don't need a World Cup Race, you just need to get the infrastructure in place, set up some workshop camp options and get RedBull to sponsor some special events. They will come....
 

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No signs of new runs, new lifts, etc at Akakura Onsen?. I mean, Suzuki Shokai, the company which operate Akakura onsen ski resort run nine Japanese ski resorts and they are investing in their ski resorts a lot recently. For example, they operate Okutone snow park, and they made a new top lift station to make the vertical drop of the ski resort from 650m to 750m. Not only that, they newly made tree run areas and they newly bought 21 snow guns for Okutone snow park last season!. Akakura onsen is the most potential ski resort that Suzuki Shokai own, so they should focus on Akakura onsen, instead of the other ski resorts!. Just like they did for Okutone snow park, they should make a new top lift station at Akakura onsen for bigger vertical drop and bigger lift served skiable area:mad:
 
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They've been pulling lifts out or keeping them closed, not putting them in. At the moment capacity is more than enough to service the available terrain. You'd have to see a fair increase in skier numbers to justify new lifts.
 
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No signs of new runs, new lifts, etc at Akakura Onsen?. I mean, Suzuki Shokai, the company which operate Akakura onsen ski resort run nine Japanese ski resorts and they are investing in their ski resorts a lot recently. For example, they operate Okutone snow park, and they made a new top lift station to make the vertical drop of the ski resort from 650m to 750m. Not only that, they newly made tree run areas and they newly bought 21 snow guns for Okutone snow park last season!. Akakura onsen is the most potential ski resort that Suzuki Shokai own, so they should focus on Akakura onsen, instead of the other ski resorts!. Just like they did for Okutone snow park, they should make a new top lift station at Akakura onsen for bigger vertical drop and bigger lift served skiable area:mad:


Where can they go higher I wonder ?

Are they not at the top of the ridge line already, least looks that way on the trail map


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Maybe have a lift on the other side of the ridge line... ?
but I guess you will be getting close to Seki territory (happy to be corrected)
 

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No signs of new runs, new lifts, etc at Akakura Onsen?. I mean, Suzuki Shokai, the company which operate Akakura onsen ski resort run nine Japanese ski resorts and they are investing in their ski resorts a lot recently. For example, they operate Okutone snow park, and they made a new top lift station to make the vertical drop of the ski resort from 650m to 750m. Not only that, they newly made tree run areas and they newly bought 21 snow guns for Okutone snow park last season!. Akakura onsen is the most potential ski resort that Suzuki Shokai own, so they should focus on Akakura onsen, instead of the other ski resorts!. Just like they did for Okutone snow park, they should make a new top lift station at Akakura onsen for bigger vertical drop and bigger lift served skiable area:mad:


Where can they go higher I wonder ?

Are they not at the top of the ridge line already, least looks that way on the trail map


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Akakura Onsen doesn't have much scope for expansion, because they as high as they can already go. Akakura Kanko has scope: Above Champion #3 lift, there is already a course that was previously covered by the now defunct Champion #5 lift.

It may look like they could expand Akakura Onsen out to the north towards Seki Onsen, in the area that already has some old courses (shown to the left of the Seki Onsen map), but it's just not practical:
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There's no good access from Akakura to that area near Seki. Well, technically there is but there's no way that they'd do it.

We had a lost guest last year and when he eventually boot packed his way out found himself in Seki Onsen! We had patrol/police at the lodge when he turned up in a taxi.

There are also bureaucratic hurdles as it's national park.
 

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Quote :

there is already a course that was previously covered by the now defunct Champion #5 lift.

What a waste.

What is the history of this closed lift and why is it now not open Sandy do you know ?
 

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TBH, I don't really know for sure but I'd pretty much guarantee that it would be either/and:
1) Maintenance and running costs. Lift is not being used that much. Decision to cut costs.
2) Removal/shutdown to alleviate over capacity.
For both of these it also means less area to patrol.

Whilst we might not see the logic of cutting off good terrain the resort has to count their yen at the end of the day. It's like the top lift at Kurohime. Accessed some awesome terrain but nobody was using it because it's mostly beginner/intermediate skiers there. So why keep a lift running when there's very little usage. Hard economics unfortunately.
 

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Is it this top lift show here in maps ?

Also if you zoom into the top left corner in maps there are lots of small blue roofs or what looks like solar panels, weird
 

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Yes. If it went a little higher you could drop into the old Tsubame Onsen resort that pulled out it's lifts about 10 years ago.

Cannot see this mysterious blue thing you talk of. Unless its the covers on the old hotel lift station above the Kanko Hotel?
 

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Nah, they're the bars for the hiding place of the Mount Myoko Guardian Monsters - Godzilla, Mothra and King Ghidorah. Take care up around there and watch out for a Giant Monsters All-Out Attack. That's the real reason the area has been closed off.
 
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