The big Myoko/Madarao thread - 2016/17

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Myoko thread is go for 2016/17!

Check out the following threads for lots of great info (but post new questions here).
Myoko/Madarao thread 2015/16
Myoko & Madarao thread 2014/15
Myoko 2013-14 thread
Myoko 2011-13 thread

When the mountain turns white get excited.
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Info:
Myokokogen Wikiski
Backcountry - Myoko / Madarao
Getting there - Myoko / Madarao / Arai
Ski info - Myoko / Madarao / Arai / Charmant
Bars and restaurants - Myoko / Madarao
Passes and coupons - Myoko / Madarao
Webcams - Myoko / Madarao
Snow Reports - Myoko / Madarao
Things to do - Myoko / Madarao
Area map of resorts
 
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Continuing on from the discussion on last year's thread.

PMG said: If you're going with PR you won't need a car anyway.

ratherb@thesnow said
: Yep going to go with PR, like what I've read online

I don't wanna put any spanners in the works, but......

I had a friend with 11 friends with him go with PR last season, late January. They had two guides for that group, and split into faster aand slower groups. I was there with a friend of some of the time, and while the faster guide was very knowledgeable, the slower guide was not much of a guide.... he was obviously not that familiar with Suginohara or Madarao/Tangram. (some of the other guides were also knowledgeable)

To spring to their defence they had a lot of pressure on last year from circumstances beyond their control. They normally do hire pretty well as compared to 2 or 3 others that have sprung up in recent times here.

Last season one of the PR staff told me that one day they had another company's group following them. He decided to stop and go back and have a word with them. It appeared the other company's guide didn't have that much idea so was just following the PR crew!
 
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mmm interesting that they used their staff accommodation for guests - one of the things they have said they were not doing.
They had to... a hotel they had a lot of guests in, folded. When I went to meet my friend at their staff accommodation place, they were in the process of doing a complete renovation, to upgrade it for guests..... it actually looked pretty good, but was not quite finished. It took a decent effort to accommodate those guests.
 

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It was two hotels actually. Then another hotel decided they wouldn't honour the bookings they'd made, so they were really in the gun.
 

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Is anyone able to advise of houses/pensions available in Myoko sleeping 6 or so ppl? ive heard its basically no existent? If so where does everyone recommend for a group of 6-8 to stay? cheers in Advance
 

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Is anyone able to advise of houses/pensions available in Myoko sleeping 6 or so ppl? ive heard its basically no existent?

It exists but nowhere near the slopes. You'll need a car, not just for the slopes but also the supermarket.

If so where does everyone recommend for a group of 6-8 to stay? cheers in Advance

Depends what/where you're looking for and your budget.
 

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Is anyone able to advise of houses/pensions available in Myoko sleeping 6 or so ppl? ive heard its basically no existent? If so where does everyone recommend for a group of 6-8 to stay? cheers in Advance
Short term there is almost nothing. Long term, as in 3 months, I have a contact who has just started organising this.

One of the problems is that there is no supermarket up near the resorts. Another problem is that you really would need a car if you do not have a host to help you. Though that said we survived our first year here in our own place, so no host to help, without a car. But it was an interesting adventure. And at that time there were less westerners around than there are now.

Myoko Kogen is still very Japanese and has yet to be significantly influenced by western trends - self contained accommodation being one of those trends.
 

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If I was going to base myself at Myoko, where would be the best and easiest place to rent a car?
 
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If I was going to base myself at Myoko, where would be the best and easiest place to rent a car?
In the past you would have hired from one of the places near the shinkansen stations. So Nagano and more recently Iiyama or Joetsu. But from this season onwards we are hoping to be able to help people hire from one of the places in Myoko Kogen. It is a work in progress at the moment.
 
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It exists but nowhere near the slopes. You'll need a car, not just for the slopes but also the supermarket.



Depends what/where you're looking for and your budget.
That may be ok as we may be getting a van. Where are these places and how far from the slopes? cheers
 

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I'd recommend Pension "For You". Its in Shin Akakura but walkable to the Akakan gondola. Great Japanese hosts as well! M_G (who will hopefully add some thoughts) has a good handle on these options!
 

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If I was going to base myself at Myoko, where would be the best and easiest place to rent a car?
We have only done it once at one place - Iiyama. It was super easy.

@Ozgirl did the Internet booking/leg work. YK and I took care of the driving side of things (international licence etc). And I organised a local data sim for my iPad for navigation if required.

I'm sure the other stations would be just as simple, but honestly - it was a breeze. Office is literally across the road from the station. Helpful staff. Service excellence.

You can't go past excellent, helpful and warm service. :thumbs:
 

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If I was going to base myself at Myoko, where would be the best and easiest place to rent a car?
My opinion is that the best bet (pending local developments with Skichanger) is still at JoetsuMyoko Station. Know others might jump in and dispute that.
 
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Went to Arai Resort today and talked to what seemed to be the boss of the site works. He said they'll be fully open next season. So one more option for people coming to Myoko.

Lots of interior work going on. Outside work not so apparent at this stage.
 
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We drove by there today. Was empty and saw no one around. They have signs up saying Lotte now though. When I called in there in April they had not been put up.

Gees it is a big place. A bit kinda weird though. You are driving along this road going wondering if there is really a resort here somewhere? Come around a corner and out from behind some greenery and all of a sudden you can see these huge buildings.

My translator was telling me about what it was like originally. Under ground shopping malls and very flash. So will be interesting to visit once it is open again.
 

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Arai probably would have been good last season, with westerlies not snow much on resorts inland, but hitting the resorts closer to the sea....
 

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Arai probably would have been good last season, with westerlies not snow much on resorts inland, but hitting the resorts closer to the sea....
Yes, good point!

We drove by there today. Was empty and saw no one around. They have signs up saying Lotte now though. When I called in there in April they had not been put up.
You have to drive in past the 'No Entry' signs. Quite a few cars and people around. More during the week I imagine. There's a huge drilling rig set up too. Might be trying to get a fresh source for the onsen water. They need a lot if they're going to re-open everything inc the water playground which is/was a bit like Spa Arena at Nozawa.

My translator was telling me about what it was like originally. Under ground shopping malls and very flash. So will be interesting to visit once it is open again.
Yes, very swish. But when someone spends more than a billion dollars on a resort it should be nice! There was no shopping underground but there are/were heated underground tunnels that truck and cars could use plus staff to go between the various buildings.
 

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Some fun looking terrain in the photos of Arai.
Regarding the tour operators, they seem great for bringing all the bogans from their annual Bali booze up to what used to be the gorgeous town of Akakura Onsen.
Does anybody know if the shops in town purposely closed early on Australia day this year? I walked into town at about 8pm to try to grab some batteries and heaps of places were closed already. Not hard to see why though, the amount of idiots staggering around yelling and screaming.

Powder Recon have been around a while now and every time I've had a chat with any of the staff they have been pretty cool people with a fun attitude. Just seems some of the other groups don't really care about the place as much as PR.
 

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Some fun looking terrain in the photos of Arai.
Regarding the tour operators, they seem great for bringing all the bogans from their annual Bali booze up to what used to be the gorgeous town of Akakura Onsen.
Does anybody know if the shops in town purposely closed early on Australia day this year? I walked into town at about 8pm to try to grab some batteries and heaps of places were closed already. Not hard to see why though, the amount of idiots staggering around yelling and screaming.

Powder Recon have been around a while now and every time I've had a chat with any of the staff they have been pretty cool people with a fun attitude. Just seems some of the other groups don't really care about the place as much as PR.
Not only Aussies but also finns,swedes, etc. My last visit there pretty much ruined it with those Fwits. So this year some where in Hokkaido car danchi.
 

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Not only Aussies but also finns,swedes, etc. My last visit there pretty much ruined it with those Fwits. So this year some where in Hokkaido car danchi.
What did they do that they ruined your holiday?
I've bumped into the occasional awful behaviour, it might make me leave the pub/restaurant etc, but not ruin my holiday. It'd only ruin the holiday if one of mine was hurt by a group gone feral.
 

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What did they do that they ruined your holiday?
I've bumped into the occasional awful behaviour, it might make me leave the pub/restaurant etc, but not ruin my holiday. It'd only ruin the holiday if one of mine was hurt by a group gone feral.
Not so much "ruin the holiday" more a case of left a unfavourable lasting impression. Anyway, loved my time there but more places to explore and not a lot of time left to do it.
 
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Not so much "ruin the holiday" more a case of left a unfavourable lasting impression. Anyway, loved my time there but more places to explore and not a lot of time left to do it.
THAT I understand.
Adventure SHWinter'16 ;) Hello Santiago!!! :D
 

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Regarding the tour operators, they seem great for bringing all the bogans from their annual Bali booze up to what used to be the gorgeous town of Akakura Onsen.

There was a fair bit of banter about this on the Myokokogen Facebook page last season. On the follow up I received from people it's predominantly two companies that bring these wankers - let's call them MT and WRT. After receiving a couple of direct complaints about behaviour of their guests and guide I spoke to the boss of the first one and his response left no doubt about he's one of the major reasons.

Pity - the vast majority of people who come are respectful. It's just that these dickheads make sure to stand out.
 

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Was looking at myoko accomodation and noticed that some listings showed the room as having 4 single beds but then said the maximum permitted in the room was 1.

I imagine it means the rooms are shared with other guests????

So if the Mrs and 14 year old and I book the 4 bed room for the 3 of us, will we have to share with another person??

It was tsubame highland lodge.

I saw some other adverts which made it pretty clear because the males and females were in separate rooms.
 

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Was looking at myoko accomodation and noticed that some listings showed the room as having 4 single beds but then said the maximum permitted in the room was 1.

I imagine it means the rooms are shared with other guests????

So if the Mrs and 14 year old and I book the 4 bed room for the 3 of us, will we have to share with another person??

It was tsubame highland lodge.

I saw some other adverts which made it pretty clear because the males and females were in separate rooms.
Possibly especially if it is a Japanese room. I have stayed at places where my mogul skier was in a room sharing with other men and I was in a room sharing with other women.
 

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Greetings... just planning out our trip. Can anyone advise transfer times and method from Shiga Kogen to Myoko? I would imagine bus from Shiga back to Nagano or Iliyama and then out again.... or is there a direct snow shuttle transfer? Thanks in advance.
 

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Greetings... just planning out our trip. Can anyone advise transfer times and method from Shiga Kogen to Myoko? I would imagine bus from Shiga back to Nagano or Iliyama and then out again.... or is there a direct snow shuttle transfer? Thanks in advance.
Don't know about public transport but it's a beautiful, easy and very doable drive.
Have you considered hiring a car for the drive to and your stay in Myoko?
I was initially tentative as I had never been to Myoko before (fear of the Unknown) but having the car was all kinds of empowering. Being able to drive to the supermarket or onsen at will, and chose the place we skied dependent on the snow conditions and where we felt like going.
Honestly, it was fabulous.
 
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Bus to Nagano and then train to Myoko Kogen. Look on Hyperdia for the train timetable. Will be a lot less than the shuttle and probably almost as quick. Only issue is moving your luggage at Nagano station. But if there are a few of you not really a problem.
 
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Greetings... just planning out our trip. Can anyone advise transfer times and method from Shiga Kogen to Myoko? I would imagine bus from Shiga back to Nagano or Iliyama and then out again.... or is there a direct snow shuttle transfer? Thanks in advance.
Nagano Snow Shuttle

There are lots of other options via public transport or private transfer. I'm pretty sure I wrote them all up in a post somewhere here last season but I can't find them now.

This takes two hours (Shiga Kogen -> Myoko). If you have two adults & two kids, it's 23,600yen.

Bus to Nagano and then train to Myoko Kogen. Look on Hyperdia for the train timetable. Will be a lot less than the shuttle and probably almost as quick. Only issue is moving your luggage at Nagano station. But if there are a few of you not really a problem.

Bus to Nagano, then train to Myoko Kogen.
Shuttle to Hasuike (let's say from Ichinose) is about 30 min. Nagaden Shiga Kogen Express from Hasuike to Nagano Station is 1700yen, takes 70 min.
Nagano Station to Myoko Kogen by train, 44 min, 830yen. Then transfer to hotel.
Total time plus connections is around 3hours +, and cost for two adults & two kids is probably around 7500yen (taking kids fares into account)


Taxi Shiga Kogen to Myoko Akakura Kanko 75min, 17,500yen

Another option would be to catch the bus down to Nakano, then taxi
 
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Anyone have any recommendations on accommodation in Madarao? Main priority is proximity to lifts, it's only for a couple of nights.
 

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Take a look here
Any of the top six - people we send over tend to like Bergland, Aburaya, Tob's House and Ringo Jam the most. MK hotel is great but a little more pricey and impersonal.
 
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No worries. Alp Bach is close to the slopes but a bit of a walk from the few restaurants that exist. But you can eat in at any of these places - food is always good.
 

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Hey ppl, was just wondering if anyone could tell me how far hotel sympathique is from the madarao main lifts. Thanks for any reply's.
 
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