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The big Myoko/Madarao thread - 2016/17

Discussion in 'Japan' started by M_G, May 16, 2016.

  1. Sandy

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    That would be 500-700m away. Not a good location.
     
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    Cheers Sandy, I thought it may be ok as I have 2 ppl that a very new to the ski scene and thought there was a few small ski runs off the back of the hotel.
     
  3. Sandy

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    Actually, the Madarao Kogen Sympathique "ski resort" is located just behind the hotel. But it's not the main lifts. This one has two lifts. Called "Sanpa" or "Sanpatekku" in Japanese on the map.
    http://www.madarao-sanpa.co.jp/english/ski.html
     
  4. skichanger

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    Is Madarao Kogen Sympathique still running? It has looked very abandoned every time I have gone by.
     
  5. M_G

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    #55 M_G, Jul 26, 2016
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  6. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    IMO it would be good if it re-opened ;)
     
  7. Honkers

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    Thanks, this is very helpful. I know the ski shuttle is expensive, last year we used it from Shiga to Nozawa. We just need to weigh up the cost v time factor (or whinge factor courtesy of the kids)
     
  8. Froff Life

    Froff Life A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Myoko featuring in the current Jetstar sale.

    "Myoko Kogen is one of Japan’s best kept secrets, offering some of the best skiing and boarding in Japan."

    This is true but it won't be a secret for long now...
     
  9. M_G

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    Hasn't been a secret for awhile now but people keep trotting it out nonetheless.

    I'd just like to point out that one of the hotels there - the interior pics are not real. The only close approximation is the exterior shot with the photoshopped sign. Unless the agent/owner does some major updates they're going to have some very disappointed punters.

    $2,200 ex-Sydney per person/twin room is a rip-off for that place.
    $1,000 for flight
    $200 for 5 days tickets
    $200 for train return
    That means $800 for 7 nights pp for a place that would struggle to 2*
     
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  10. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    That's more than a bit cheeky!
     
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    PMG One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    At current exchange rate?
     
  12. M_G

    M_G M_G_ = Make skiing great again Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep, although they have a rider that prices might be higher depending on demand. TBH, if you didn't guess already, I'm really not happy about that. The agent bought an old run down and insolvent hotel to put people in at a high price rather than support the local hotels. Plus the punters will not be happy and that will reflect badly on the area. Knowing the boss who runs the op he won't care.
     
  13. skichanger

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    Comes down to the same thing every time with these sales, it is usually cheaper to organise it yourself. This also gives you more flexability and the chance to get what you want rather than just what is offered.
     
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  14. Draizuh

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    Been having a squiz online but cant find any info on restaurants in Suginosawa? Might be planning a diversion to myoko (fingers crossed for Arai opening!) and enjoyed Suginohara the most so wanted to stay there as the bus from Akakura was intolerable.
     
  15. M_G

    M_G M_G_ = Make skiing great again Ski Pass: Gold

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    Very few Draizuh as it's mostly pension style accomm and people eat in their digs. There's an old style house near the fire festival site that serves up some nice local meals. Just can't remember the name. Sora Tobu Usagi also serves outsiders but it's a fair walk up the hill.
     
  16. Froff Life

    Froff Life A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Arai?
     
  17. Sandy

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    Resort that closed in 2006, but will reopen for 2016/17.
    North of Myoko, gets a lot of snow.
    It's not far from a new SHinkansen station.
     
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    Froff Life A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Oohh I had no idea!
     
  19. Crispy013

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    Isn't aspect a big downer on the place?
     
  20. Sandy

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    I've heard that it faces south, but if you look at the satellite, the lifts run from east to west. The courses on the southern side face north. The top bowl faces east, but would get sun exposure from the south all morning.

    It's not very high: 340m at the bottom and 1280m at the top.
    [​IMG]
     
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  21. Draizuh

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    I dont go to japan to ride in the sunshine.
     
  22. Draizuh

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    Was looking at staying at Sora Tobu Usagi. Might just stay back in Akakura again so i can go to Akatako again haha
     
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    Hi, we are new to this forum, my partner and I are heading to Myoko Kogen for the season and are looking for accomodation from dec 12- late March, pref somewhere closer to Akakan. Does anyone based there have any good leads/people who would be worth contacting they could PM me?cheers, jimmy
     
  24. M_G

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    What's your budget?
    I can't help but know 2-3 places that probably could.
     
  25. skichanger

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    mmm found this today. I think it means you can buy lift tickets the night before using a credit card. But if you have to stnd in a queue to exchange for a ticket what's the point?
     
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    Because it's cheaper than buying at the ticket counter on the day. It's like having a discount paper ticket but this way you just present your smart phone. And it's easier for overseas guests to use this type of ticket. ;)
     
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  27. skichanger

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    ok got it. Will have to check out what the discount is.
     
  28. Chondro

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    I've seen a few tours advertising myoko lately, dropping niseko off and plugging myoko more.

    I have a feeling that we will have some "why are there so many bogans in myoko" posts this season.
     
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  29. skichanger

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    Good reason to stay out of Akakura Onsen. The tours tend to stay there especially since one of the companies hd bought couple of buildings recently.
     
  30. M_G

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    And they're putting in a bar with DJ. And another foreigner owned bar is going in across the road. The end is nigh. Stay away from that end of the village...
     
  31. JoeKing

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    Hi!
     
  32. Draizuh

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    Akakura was always going to see more traffic first. I found it to be pretty over run with scandies last time i was there. Will only be in Akakura for 3 days this winter so i dont think ill notice it too much.
     
  33. bclaw

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    Could you please advise on the best and most convenient bus/taxi/transport to travel from myoko to Madarao mid February. Solo traveller. cheers ....all suggestions helpful.:)
     
  34. Sandy

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    Are you planning a day trip or are you going to stay in Madarao ?
     
  36. M_G

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    It's all dependent on where you are staying.

    If you're moving between hotels very likely that one of the places will drop you off. Just ask them.
    If you're going for a day trip you'll need a taxi which the hotel can arrange. Some places run shuttles over but once again, you'll need to ask.

    A lot of people book dirt cheap places here then realise later that by the time they fork out for resort shuttles, eat out every night and pay full price odds for tickets it all adds up quickly.
     
  37. skichanger

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    Really hard to do without either hiring a car or catching a taxi. The bus times don't work. Now we have lodges in both locations we will be doing day trips but only for our guests.
     
  38. Ramenman

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    Did anyone watch NHK this morning?. This morning, in a nationwide morning tv news program, NHK was covering some foreigners buying hotels in Myoko. I saw two foreign couples who newly bought hotels in Myoko. I wonder if they use this forum:p. NHK say real estates in Japan are reasonable seen from foreigners now, and increasing number of foreigners buy hotels in Onsen villages and ski villages.
     
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    Didn't see it but I believe it was owners of Myosen and Espero.

    Nice that they go talk to people who've only been here 5 minutes. :confused: In fact the latter party has probably only been here 3 weeks in total since they signed the contract.
     
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    One of the couples were a white husband and an Asian wife(NHK says she is Singaporean and they look young). NHK said at least 11 accommodations in Myoko ski resort village are owned by foreigners now, and the number is likely to increase further.
     
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    Yeah gone are the days when mine was the only western owned lodge in the village.

    Funny how NHK mention that she is from Singapore (now Aus so far as I know) but don't mention that he is from NZ.

    Kind a sad how much this will change the place but then again I am one of the people who unintentionally started that change.
    Not sure how they found Espero but they found Myosen via Yukio. Perhaps they wanted a fresh opinion on the place.
     
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    I met the owner of this recently. My interpreter called him Mr Madarao. I doubt these will reopen or be sold. He will not sell to someone he thinks will go broke trying to operate them.
     
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    From what I have been told the Hawk and Hare was not western "owned" as it was rented. And it was not completely western as he had a Japanese wife. If that counts as western owned then I am a long way down the list.
     
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    Going to Myoko for 7 nights then probably on to Nozawa for another 3 or 4 days. What's the quickest way to get there? I've checked out the snow shuttle but that seems quite slow. What would a taxi cost to get there? Are there other ways of getting a ride?
     
  47. Sandy

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    13,000yen+ by taxi, and a bit over one hour, from Akakura to Nozawa

    https://www.taxifarefinder.com/main.php
     
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    This is what I tell my guests when coming FROM Nozawa:
    1. Private taxi/coach charter – 23,000 for regular taxi (2-4 people), 43,000 for van/coach (5-15 people)
    2. Nagano Snow Shuttle – 6,900 per person
    3. On weekends/holidays only. Nozawa Liner to Iiyama Station, bus to Akakura Onsen (see schedule above) – app. 2,400 total per person
    4. Public transport. Nozawa Liner to Iiyama Station, train to Toyono Station, change lines/trains to Myoko Kogen, bus or taxi to Akakura Onsen – app. 2,500 total per person
     
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    Thanks, a wealth of information. How long would the train/bus take on a Sunday morning from Myoko to Nozawa? We have to check out on Sunday morning and was keen to get half a day in at Nozawa.
     
  50. Sandy

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    If you take a taxi, and leave Myoko at 8:00am, you could get a full day in at Nozawa (get on the snow by 9:30am)
     
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