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The big Myoko/Madarao thread - 2016/17

Discussion in 'Japan' started by M_G, May 16, 2016.

  1. Sandy

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    Or you could spend that time in Tokyo ski shop area, and head to Nagano about 2pm.
     
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    If not going to Tokyo, better off going to Joetsu. There's a good lot of ski shops close together such Victoria, Xebio, Second Street and others. About 15 minutes walk from Kasugayama Station.

    http://myokokogen.net/myoko-tours/
     
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    I'm reading a local journal now and it says a new onsen complex facility, a new retail building, a new hotel, etc will be built in front of Joetsumyoko station. You feel the district around the new Shinkansen station is growing?.
     
  4. M_G

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    Further secondary developments like these are always inevitable when you have a major infrastructure undertaking. To leave something like a major shinkansen station out in the middle of nowhere would be rather odd. It could well be that we see a major shopping development sprout up there soon too I imagine.

    Do you have a link Ramenman? Is it Joetsu Times?
     
  5. Froff Life

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    And a pachinko
     
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    I read them in two different places. One of them is in Toyo-Keizai. This article is about how Hokuriku shinkansen effects to local economy, and it mentions Juetsumyoko station district too(onsen facility, retail complex, a major chained brand hotel, etc will be built).
    http://toyokeizai.net/articles/-/141919
     
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    Pachinko is ugly:emoji_alien:
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  8. skichanger

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    The area around the Joetsu-Myoko shinkansen station has already changed a lot. There is a main road that does not exist on my Delica's navi system, a large Komeri (super or power is a point of contention in my lodge), a big Narus, a great Sushi train place etc etc. So far as I know none of these were there a couple of years ago.
     
  9. argento

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    sorry for the ignorance but if travelling via train to Joetsumyoko can one now go either through Nagano or Kanazawa when leaving from Ueno?
     
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  12. skichanger

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    Well you probably could but via Kanazawa would be the long way round. You go via Nagano. Kanazawa is the end of the line.

    Last trip up here my mogul skier was on the 2nd last train of the day. It was a super express with less stops than other trains. So he was thinking Nagano is about the 4th stop so I can sleep through the first 3. Woke up as they were approaching Toyama. :headbang: No trains back that night so he slept in a waiting room at Toyama and caught the first train back in the morning.
     
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    Joetsu-Myoko is a station on the Hokuriku line.

    http://www.jreast.co.jp/e/routemaps/hokurikushinkansen.html

    So you would arrive at Joetsu-Myoko, before you arrived at Kanazawa (end of line). Assuming you are coming from Ueno (in Tokyo).
     
  14. M_G

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    On top of Hiuchi, all covered in snow...

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    Last night was cold enough to run the heating so I am not surprised.

    Woohoo mixed with panic here.
     
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    National highway near Daisatsuzan yesterday. (And no comments on the car please - my daughter made a small trip- - camping:headbang:)
     
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    According to Joetsu Times, an onsen complex building is in B and a retail complex building is in C.
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    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Wow! Is that from a calendar? Would love more details.
     
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    It's a series of postcards for each month of the year, they're signed with the artist name "Miyazaki.M". I saw them in one of the shops in Myoko Kogen and couldn't resist, one day I might even frame them up together. :p If you can glean any information from the packaging I'm very interested to hear what it says, reading Japanese isn't one of my strong points...

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  21. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I can ask around in my travels. Where was the shop? In Akakura or actually down in Myoko Kogen?

    They are exactly the sort of thing I would love to have for guests. Something more genuine than the mass produced stuff in most of the shops.
     
  22. RunDLC

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    The artists name is Miyazaki Michio (pretty sure that's the reading). Born locally in Takada in 1935. The bio mentions a range of exhibitions participated in, including 20 solo shows, awards etc. A google search for the name in Japanese shows the occasional local exhibition (most recently at the Arai michi no eki in October). On the edge of my reading ability but think that's correct.
     
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    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thanks. This will help me find more info. I am already talking to a local photographer for some postcards and these would be a great thing to make available to people.
     
  24. M_G

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    Most of those were painted at Imori-ike (Imori Pond) near Ikenotaira on the way to Suginohara. Very popular place for painters. Will always find a few with their easels there most weekends, esp. around autumn.

    There's an address on Hon-machi (6-1-23) - the main shopping street of Takada. Maybe there's a shop or gallery there.

    If you go into the Wakui Hotel, the elderly mother is a painter of some renown and they have a lot of her paintings displayed and postcards/prints for sale.
    http://www.akakura.gr.jp/wakui/
     
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    Ah yep, my bad, not Myoko Kogen. It was from one of the shops on the main main strip in Akakura, 2013 Season.
     
  26. M_G

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    Be sure to check the Myoko webcams this morning. With precipitation and a rapidly falling freezing level you should see snow up top.

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  27. skichanger

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    That's ok. Most people call Akakura Myoko and don't understand that Myoko is actually a city and Akakura is effectively a suburb.
     
  28. M_G

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    And a distant 'suburb' at that. Around 30 minutes drive to City Hall. Can't get much further away.

    This morning's view from down lower

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    What a beautiful mountain :) Heading up this weekend for some hiking and onsen time-can't wait!
     
  30. skichanger

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    The view from Chalet Madarao yesterday when I got there. Would have been much better earlier.

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    Hi @skichanger,
    what's the name of the run or chair that is in your photo. Just trying to place where you are in the resort..
     
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    I'm guessing the Super Quad in the middle-left of picture?
     
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  33. skichanger

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    Sorry no idea what any of the runs are called yet. Put Chalet Madarao in google maps. We are just beside the chair lifts running back up to the hotel.

    They cut all the grass just down below us yesterday to make the beginner trail from my place to the slopes.
     
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    Went there for a day last winter, lots of fun. From the map the runs look like Champion/Giant?
     
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    Yeah, with Champion to the left and Giant down the centre. The shot is of the upper portion of the runs. Just gets the split to Carving at the bottom of the shot.
     
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    Can anyone recommend a good Back/Sidecountry guide for the Myoko area? We have a group going for 2 weeks early Feb, with a few days at Madarao and remainder based at Akakan.

    Most of the crew are mid to high intermediates with good Japan experience, including Myoko. A few of us want to get out of bounds there this trip, but would want an experienced guide.
     
  37. skichanger

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    Ask you accommodation. Or pm me if you want me put you in touch with some people.
     
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    I think it would be be good to see options listed here. I've said it elsewhere, but ask your guide about their qualifications etc and make sure expectations are matched. Figure out if you want to maximise riding powder, or if this is more about getting out in the mountains and away from the crowds.

    Bill Ross of Dancing Snow is the only option for actual backcountry as far as I know.

    Others will likely offer more of a lift accessed service skiing trees closer to the resort. I'm not sure exactly where they will take you and whether it will include backcountry. Itadaki tours would be an example.They are an energetic bunch of local skiers and snowboarders and lots of fun. Atsushi Yamada /Happy Snow tours also does this kind of half day resort based tour.
     
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    Itadaki tours at Myoko Kogen, Aki Kitamura at Madarao and the Cat Skiing that happens about an hour way from Myoko Kogen were the people I had in mind. We can arrange tours with them for our guests, which is why I suggested they ask their accommodation. I assume most places can do the same .All of these are independent operators so you would need to decide if you were happy with them for yourself.

    At one stage Bill Ross posted on here as well. Have not seen him on here for a few years though.

    I completely agree that it is important to distinguish between truly going back country and riding as much lifted powder as possible. But people do need to be aware that there are risks even near or within the resort boundaries. Every so often we come across promos for Myoko Kogen where people are doing really dumb things.
     
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    We have snow at Chalet Myoko this morning. The view from my bedroom window:And just heard the first snow of the season sliding of the roof. Bit worried about what Madarao will be like when I get there this morning. And time to put the winter tyres on.
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    Very early!!! :D
     
  42. skichanger

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    And Madarao
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    Hardly surprising at 1100-1200m :D
     
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    Yeah I think I need to go to garage on the way this morning to change to my winter wheels.
     
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    @RunDLC and @skichanger, Thanks for the info, exactly what I was after. I am aware the accommodation can help but really I would rate the info provided here much higher. At this stage we would be up for probably both lift accessed side country and possibly some Cat Skiing too....

    Skichanger we have gone with the accommodation the group has been happy with before, and it has been booked for some time, but I will definitely be heading over to check out at least your new Madarao digs this trip...
     
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    Of course stay with the place you are happy with. Not trying to get you to change that. :axe: if someone did that to me and it has happened. I try to walk an acceptable line between providing information and touting for business.

    If you go to Madarao definitely drop in. Let me know in advance and you can probably park outside. There is better access than from the car parks. Stay for dinner and review our restaurant.

    Re the cat skiing, they use us for bookings from English speakers. So anyone else interested drop me a line with numbers and dates. They open for bookings very soon and can book out for weekends quickly. There will be a few details to sort but but well worth the effort.
     
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    Yeah, poor comment on my part from that respect. There is no plans to change our Mt Myoko accommodation, and I do not feel that you were trying to push that.... I really meant to impart an interest in Madarao. We have not been there before and are locked in at the big hotel this trip but will have an interest in checking out other options for the future. Your reno thread also gives us all a bit of investment in your efforts, so we have to come and visit.... :D
     
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    All good. Just a little thin skinned sometimes.

    My renos are moving slowly atm. Need a few updates on the lots of stuff that we have done though.
     
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    Does this mean they exclusively use you? They've got a pretty extensive English website and have been happy for direct contact in the past?