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The Japanese snow season 2017-2018 Weather

Discussion in 'General & World' started by Sandy, Oct 29, 2017.

  1. Sandy

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    It's unavoidable if you're in northern Nagano. The southerly on the western flank of the high will be warm.

    Shiga Kogen will be a little cooler, as it's 700m higher, but not much cooler.
     
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    Thanks I thought as much
     
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    Maybe Alaska ?
     
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    Yeah I think anywhere Japan is going to be heat effected this week.
     
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    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Is that some secret prefecture in Japan? ;)
     
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    Froff Life A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Definitely been a very lean March for much of Honshu.
    Looking ahead on GFS more annoying warm air with rain coming up from the south. What has happened to the usual snow bearing systems?!
     
  7. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    There's a theory (and I don't know if it's true) that if it's an early season start in central Japan, it will be an early finish.
    However, the other aspect has been the predominant high pressure to the SE of Japan, which has been pushing warm air in on the western flank.
    It may be related to lower than average SST (Sea Surface Temperature) in that general area, where the high pressure forms:
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    Also, the low pressure that's been forming in southern China is back, and with SSTs warmer than average near Taiwan, this drives the formation and strengthening of low pressure that has been pushing over Japan.

    Low pressure over southern China:
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    Low deepening over warmer water, and high out to the east of Japan, directing southerly on its western side:
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    Result. Warm air and precipitation, plus a new high building south of Japan:
    [​IMG]
     
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    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    It’s certainly been warmer, less snow, and some rain events in Hirafu this March - but there is still a very good base and some excellent skiing to be had.

    We are in the warmest stretch by far right now. My bedroom heater is off, top of 6 forecast for today.

    But a return to cold weather and snow expected in a few days.
     
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    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    This season had the coldest temps on record or for 30 years . So a bit all over the place.
     
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    In terms of temps, this season has been cold in Nagano, all the way from November to the end of February. Very consistently cold.

    The downside was that February was dry. JMA show record low precipitation in February in Nozawa and Hakuba. That stopped a very good season from becoming a really great one. Since the calendar flipped to March, it has been very warm and wet, so it's easy to forget how cold it was before that.

    I expect it'll snow again, it always does at the end of March after folks say it's over, so don't put your powder boards away just yet.
     
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    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I have not given my powder skis a run yet this season. Lol!

    So Nagano has been cold and "dry" but Niigata on the coast has had way more snow than usual. I went to Niigata City 3 times and each time the drive along the coast was through a blizzard. Quite often when it was sunny at Madarao, on the border of Nagano and Niigata prefectures, it would be snowing on Mt Myoko (I can see if from my window on a clear day) and absolutely puking down at joestsu on the coast. The locals have told me it has been a very strange season as this is not normal.
     
  12. Sandy

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    The reason for this is the predominant westery winds that followed many of those low pressure troughs.
    The further from the north they blow, the further inland that they penetrate. (up to 75km)
    As it blows from further from the west, the less it penetrates. So if it blows from the WNW, it may only penetrate 25km.
     
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    Arrived in japan a few days ago and could resist going through hakuba at the end of trip so just locked in for a cheeky 3 days - arrive on 23rd. Best case snow(super lucky!) or sunny for spring boarding. Worst case rain!
    Didn’t bring any gear so hiring as last min decision.

    Any one have any guess based on current charts for late next week?
     
  14. Sandy

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    For the moment (and it's been changing rapidly lately), a little snow later on the 23rd up high, then clearing for that window. HOWEVER, freeze levels will generally be high, so better to go to Shiga Kogen, where the base elevation is around 600m higher than Hakuba.
     
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    Sorry to hear about not using your powder boards!

    Yeah, there were plenty of stories of chaos on the coast, with that train getting trapped in Niigata and then Route 8 becoming snarled up for days in Fukui City, where the snow depth hit 1.5m in a city only meters above sea level. Fukui City normally gets snow, so its not something they will not be used to. They were simply overwhelmed by it coming in freakish amounts.
     
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    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Re powder skis, there will be many more chances to use them in future years.

    When was the train trapped in Niigata? I think that may have been just before I caught the highway bus up there. I went the night before my flight because My translator was freaking out due to massive delays due to snow. About a week beforehand her flight was delayed whilst they waited for the shuttle from Joetsu.

    And on 31st Jan I picked someone up from Niigata airport. Huge delays getting there by car due to a massive storm with lots of lightening. There was snow, accidents, burst pipes etc etc The flight from Sapporo was delayed due to the storm. And other flights were diverted to other airports.

    Went back on 5th Feb. More blizzard but not a storm.Even more accidents on the tollway. I did wonder if it was just when I went up there that it was puking snow or if it had been sustained over a longer period.
     
  17. Sandy

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    This weekend strangely similar to last weekend....
    Shiga Kogen:
    Thursday night: rain
    Friday: rain in the morning followed by snow
    Saturday: Snow clearing to a sunny day
    Sunday: Sunny with a little snow late in the day

    I'm even going to the same place!!!
     
  18. fukuro-no-mori

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    The train got stuck overnight Jan 11/12.
    https://english.kyodonews.net/news/...ped-as-heavy-snow-strands-train-in-japan.html

    fwiw, the snowiest parts of Japan are designated as heavy snowfall zones and get an extra budget for snowclearing from the national government. So Myoko, Otari, Nozawa Onsen etc. may be able to handle bigger and more regular snowfalls than the ones causing these incidents, but they are doing it with a fleet of snowploughs funded by other people.
     
  19. Sandy

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    Wind swinging north and temperatures heading towards freezing in central Japan resorts. And a bit below freezing in Hokkaido resorts.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Oh I went to Niigata on the 14th. No wonder my translator was worried. Niigata was quite buried in snow.
     
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    Deepest snow is in Niseko.
    Always .
     
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    A lot of old people I have spoke to in these snowy areas tell me that winter lasts for 3 months no matter when it starts. So this winter looked like it started in late November and finished in late February. But hey what do old people know.
     
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    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Aha, paraphraing what a very well traveled and experienced Japanese moguls coach said to me about this comment by many people:

    You may think so.
     
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    Thought march was an ok month for fresh in Hokkaido and maybe places like shiga appears not so far in 2018 ...wonder how asahidake, tokachidake have been going these last few weeks...is it still to come?
     
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    The warm and wet has come early .
     
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    Or a base of 2.6
     
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    Fake news :rolleyes:
     
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    Just commenting on what's reported ;) tongue in cheek of course LOL
     
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    Considering it says it is sunny something is wrong. Gran Deco does get early and late snow. The Japanese use it for moguls training untileither there is to much powder for training or there is enough dnow at The Listel. And use it after the Listel course is no longer viable. We went there in early April one year for a moguls event.Last person to ski, the eventual winner, had to wait over half an hour while the weather cleared for their last run. It was snowing and visibility was non existent.
     
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    My last day today at Akakan.Tough going at times but one must handle all conditions .Had a ball.
     
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    If you can get out, it'll make you a better skier. It's also a forgiving time to try getting airborne.

    March 20 today and the month so far has been almost as warm as in 2016, the benchmark scorcher. It's been much wetter than 2016, so we're probably talking the fastest melt anyone has ever seen this early in the calendar.

    A rapid switch on March 1 from cold and dry to warm and wet. Ah, what might have been....
     
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    A little snow here today. Walked across the road and what was solid enough for a car to drive on a week ago has now slumped and is obvious nothing but snow filling a gully.
     
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    Comparing some data from Snow Japan, and it has been a pretty dry March for the popular westernised resorts in Nagano.

    Hakuba:

    Nozawa Onsen:

    Myoko Kogen, Akakura:


    Obviously still 11 days left of March, but I can't see too much on the extended charts to get excited about.
     
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    Quite surprised about the difference between Hakuba and Myoko.
     
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    12 vs 31 cm over 3 weeks ?
    Nothing vs next to nothing really
     
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    I meant in terms of total snowfall, 522cm vs 1354cm.
     
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    Snow at measuring point not necessarily on mountain at hakuba. I believe hakuba the measure fresh snow depth in village somewhere. So please keep this in mind.

    For example last March in hakuba we got at dumped 30-50cm on mountain 4 days in a row and not in village. The snow japan website recorded village snow of 10cm
    And if you take a closer look at each individual report they say more has fell on mountain.
     
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    The Hakuba observed snow fall point is way down in the valley, not a great indication of snowfall up on the resorts
     
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    It hasn't been dry!!!! It's been too bloody wet!!!
     
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    Just saw a Rhythm ad on facebook where they are saying
    Japan Just Experienced One Of It's Best Seasons In 12 Years!
    WTF?
     
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    "Japan" lol...it is a very big place that receives a very diverse range of snow.
     
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    Stupid statement. I'm sure some resorts in Japan had their best in 12 years, whilst others their worst. Just marketing to the masses
     
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    Marketing to their target market.

    Which is people looking to book a holiday and rent/buy gear from them next season in their two locations of Hakuba and Hirafu. I don’t think the marketing team have even looked beyond there - and tbh no reason to as it’s not their market.

    The marketing might frustrate those outside those two markets, but personal experience with their customer service in Hirafu - they do a damn fine job. I’ve sent heaps of people there for rentals - all very satisfied. And with my own purchases they’ve gone above and beyond.

    As for the weather - snowed most of the day in Hirafu yesterday but we are back to sunscreen until I go home now. The season has been huge, just a shame the switch fully flicked to spring on the first of March.
     
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    Bloody crazy season!!!!

    SNOWING in Yokohama!!!! :D
     
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    Snowing hard near Matsumoto, finally! Local hill(Yabuhara Kogen) showing big dump today, might be an awesome day tomorrow there, Nomugi and Mt Norikura. Too bad I have to go for business to Tokyo tomorrow

    Also showing snow in Shiga Kogen. Randomly booked a hotel there for two nights this weekend couple weeks back, might be the last nice weekend in the season, lucky
     
  47. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Any snow today will likely be rained on tomorrow above 1500m+, so need to look at things carefully.
    Snow-forecast (also used by Snow Japan) have been hugely inaccurate recently, when forecasting central Japan... a few weeks back, they forecast 73cm for Shiga Kogen over two days, and there was 3cm. That's aside from their normal under forecasting for any lake/sea effect snow.
    Usually, their freeze levels are pretty accurate, but they've been bad the last 3 weeks.
     
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    We had a very light dusting yesterday at both Madarao and Akakura. Today it is really windy.
     
  49. Sandy

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    And it's getting heavier!!
     
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    And BTW, there just a few cherry blossoms out, and getting snowed on. If the snow settles on the blossoms, I need to take some photos, as it's quite rare! (in the city)
     
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