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Discussion in 'Alpine & Snow' started by Sandy, Nov 23, 2019.
And snowing at Shiga Kogen
I observe no snow currently, as I sit in my living room, in Sydney.
It changed to rain again and is currently gloomy and a bit wet after an icy day on the slopes (up high). Hopefully it snows enough tonight to freshen things up.
Snow is now fine powder, and settling nicely at Shiga Kogen. (Ichinose)
Madarao right now.
Maybe 20cm+ ar Shiga Kogen, but coming down harder now
snowing in Tsugaike since 10pm last night. gentle but still coming.
Crazy this is mid February in Hakuba!
Thoughts on the end of the Feb? Any snowfall?
Next event looks like Saturday through to Monday, it might be a bit damp in places but it looks like a decent amount of snow too. Then it's hard to say, there are a couple of lows progged to come across from the SW again (not really the desired pattern) before the end of the month.
End of Feb, 1st week March in Hokkaido looking pretty dry...but dry is better than rain. Hoping for snow, will settle for cold and dry, anything but warm and rain.
It was snowing hard in Happo most of the day.
The upper/mid areas were starting quite well covered again but the very base area struggled to hold on to the fresh.
But pretty much a blizzard at times on Happo.
Most things were closed and due to wind load.
Damn, that’s the worst I’ve ever seen Hakuba for February.
I think that website got their towns mixed up? Their description of 'Aomori city' sounds more like Sukayu Onsen to me:
"Aomori City - 312 inches
It is the snowiest place on the earth receives 312 inches of snowfall as it is located at the highest peak of the Hakkoda Mountains, receives 26 feet of snow per year, a 100 inch more than Sapporo, the next snowiest place. There is a huge precipitation of heavy clouds which is the reason for an unusual amount of snow and thick fog known as snow monster."
No, it's not Sukayu but Aomori city's downtown. 312 inches is "snowfall", not "snowdepth". Aomori city's annual snowfall is about 700cm. So it's 276inches. Sukayu's annual snowfall is 1601cm (it's last year's snowfall). 1601cm = 630 inches. In a very snowy year, Sukayu had 2376cm in a year = 935 inches. So, Sukayu's snowfall is double or triple of 312 inches.
There are two reasons why Niigata city's downtown doesn't have much snowfall while Aomori city's downtown has a lot. Niigata Pref has a lot of snowy villages but Niigata city is not snowy at all. Niigata city touches Sea of Japan. It's too close to the ocean. The temperature of seawater doesn't changed much all year around, so coastal cities are warmer in winter and cooler in summer compared to inland cities. Niigata city is a coastal city. Plus, a coastal city means almost 0m above sea level = warm. So, basically, Niigata city is too warm to snow. Aomori city is also a coastal city, but thanks to high latitude, its cold enough to snow. Not only that, there are mountains (Hakkoda) near Aomori city's downtown while there isn't near Niigata city's downtown. Mountains bring bigger precipitation(both rain and snow)
This is the snowdepth on February 25th of 201?. 545cm = Sukayu. 141cm = Aomori city's downtown. Sukayu is almost always colder than 0 degree C in winter while Aomori city's downtown can be warmer than 0 degree C sometimes, so snow in the downtown melts faster.
This season is the least snowiest season in decades (might be in a century), but Sukayu's snowdepth reached 348cm this month (on February 10th). On the same day, Aomori city's downtown's snowdepth was only 31cm. So, snowdepth and snowfall are two different things. Sukayu doesn't easily "lose" the snowdepth because it's almost always colder than 0 degree C while Aomori city's downtown can lose snowdepth easier. Not only that, snow is more frequently cleared in the downtown, so it makes Aomori city's downtown "look" less snowy. But, if you just look at the amount of snowfall, Aomori city is the snowiest city of "major cities" in the world.
As I mentioned many times, Sukayu is not the snowiest village of Japan. It's just the snowiest weather station JMA has. Quite snowy villages = Population is very small, and JMA don't have weather stations in those very small population villages. When Sukayu had 348cm of snowdepth, a village in Yamagata Prefecture had 459cm. Too snowy can be a problem. A ski resort nearby opens in mid April (it's usually open between mid April to late June or early July) because it's too snowy in mid winter. 酸ヶ湯 = Sukayu : 348cm. 459cm is the Yamagata Prefecture's village.
I've been at Shiga Kogen since last Wednesday, left today and I've gotta say, the rain last Sunday was a non event.
I know that Hakuba and Myoko got hit pretty hard, but the rain at Shiga K didn't even get you wet.... Like no wet clothes, gloves or anything.
It's the strangest "rainy" day I've experienced!!
Not just the elevation, but the location seems to have an impact. The high ranges to the west of Hakuba, and Mt Myoko to the west of the Myoko resorts creates a lot of orographic lift, even with lighter winds. This can explain the high rainfall totals.
Since it was a low pressure trough, it doesn't explain why Shiga Kogen and Nozawa missed out on larger rain totals.
I'm not quite sure why so little rain fell at Shiga Kogen during the day on Sunday, while Hakuba got hammered from 10am(although there was steady rain that night at Shiga K before it cleared)
You could actually see from Shiga K, the dark rain clouds over the ranges west of Hakuba.
I'm at Kitakami until Monday, after that I'm winging it, chasing some fresh snow until March 4th.
I have a Tokohu JR pass that takes in basically Niigata & all places North.
What's the collectives opinion on the forecast for the period up until early March.
what is the name of the resort that opens in mid April, please?
In summer(the lift is 8m or even higher)
In mid January, the snowdepth was 8m. The snowdepth can be even bigger between Feb 20th and early March.
In mid April(the opening week), they still needed to clear snow to make the lift run.
This is Gassan at relaively lower altitude(the elevation of the mountain is 1984m). At the bottom village = 600m asl can have 500 - 600cm of snowdepth.
About Gassan : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Gassan
Mt.Chokai is as snowy or snowier and it's taller(2236m), but there isn't a ski resort on Mt.Chokai. In the video below, they are skiing from 1600m asl (the highest peak is 2236m) in the first week of "May". Actually, Seibu Group used to plan to make a ski resort there, but bubble economy burst and ski boom ended. The mountain can offer us the big vertical (1500m) + deep powder + beautiful Sea of Japan view(it's very close to Sea of Japan)
Thanks to you too. Definitely a place to consider isn't it?
Stay on topic: weather.
(also better to post resort info in the Japan thread where people can find it)
Try and give yourself some options that have a higher altitude I'd say, and keep an eye on the freezing level. Does't look too bad but there are some periods where the weather has a bit of south in it.
6 years ago today.....
That was only a average season as well
day after we buried a cube
The wind is up and the snow is falling (lightly) in Furano. Gondola got closed very early - hours prior to the weather arriving which seemed a bit pre-emptive.
I'll be there Tuesday!!!
Seems like I will miss the fresh initially so wondering if the weather gurus can give an extended prediction for the next little while pretty please? @Sandy , thoughts? Thank you again.
I'll do a forecast a little later.
- Central Japan, rain on Wed, snow Thu, and again the following Mon /Tue.
- Hokkaido, snow this Sunday, and not much until around the 7th March.
Hmm not ideal for fresh but still I will be smiling just being there.
For me its a quick trip to get back in the swing of things - and sort my gear out haha.
Pulled all the gear out to find everything with elastic (which is pretty much everything) totally stuffed. Hey it was 2005 since its last use.
Groomers should be fast!
Got a quick burst of snow in Furano last night, just a few cm. Resort looking splendid this morning in the bluebird.
Apparently there is more snow on the way for Aomori.
I am still keeping my hope for some powder for the first week and second week of March
Observe Kiroro has only had 3.6m snow thus far this season. Any idea what Thredbo had last season?
Heading to Hakuba tonight. Fingers crossed it gets colder.
Snow rain mix right now at the village level in Nozawa. Probably snowing up top
Freeze levels should drop below 500m tonight, so will be snow at most base areas in central Japan.
Kiroros base right now, at the peak, is 2.9m.
Niseko has, according to snow Japan, had about 6.5m this season overall. I would estimate by that, that Kiroro would have had at least that. Let's say about 7m. That's ordinary by Kiroro standards, but a lot more than 3.6m.
Ahh okay. Yeah i interpreted it as 3.6m snowfall which i thought was way too low.
Hi Sandy, looking forward to getting some forecasts
30cms at 1100m last night still snowing ....will be nice this morning !!!!!
Sitting in line for Nagasaka and it is coming down pretty good.
Looking at Windy seems like it will be going till tomorrow morning
Cold and snow showers in Nagano
It absolutely dumping down below Shiga Kogen, only 1 km from the snow monkey park!!!
Arrived at Yuzawa an hour or so ago. Snowing in town when we arrived then the sun started to poke through. Hopefully it'll close in again.
Still snowing at Shiga Kogen. Has been all day.
I'm at Kagura, the sun lasted 5 minutes before disappearing.
That's what we like to hear Slowpony.