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Japan The Japanese snow season 2019-2020 Weather

Discussion in 'Alpine & Snow' started by Sandy, Nov 23, 2019.

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  1. Sandy

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    Some good totals in central Japan:
    - Nozawa Onsen: 33cm
    - Otari: 35cm (Cortina should have gotten more.)
    - Sekiyama: 19cm

    It's hard to say how much has fallen at Shiga Kogen. It's been coming down quite hard since 4pm, when I arrived here. 17cm overnight for this morning, and the cars seem to have a lot of snow on them.
    Has to be more than 25cm.
     
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    Been snowing at least 24 hours on the shiga kogen ichinose family cam......
     
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    Deep today in Gunma, upwards of 40cm. Snow was good quality, light and dry.
     

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    After a bluebird start to the day in Niseko there was a reasonable amount of rather heavy lake effect snow puking down in the middle of the day, and temps meant most slopes maintained outstanding snow conditions all day.
     
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  5. Sandy

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    Still continuing to bucket down fine dry powder here at Shiga Kogen. The sea/lake effect has a little more in it, before it tapers off early morning..... Could be a bluebird powder day tomorrow!!
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    I have been reading the "Weather tutorial for Japan" which is really interesting. Still learning and trying to forecast the next week(s). It looks like this upcoming low is moving in from the west across the sea of Japan then passing between Hokkaido and Honshu on Thursday. This doesn't seem ideal (Low is too south, too much loop from the south/east?). meaning it won't be so cold with the freezing level only briefly dropping below 500m late Thursday for main resorts in Honshu. Still should bring a decent amount of snow for higher elevations.
    Looking toward the next potential snow could be Wednesday March 11, it looks like there are two lows moving in from the south west and both drifting below Hokkaido. Not sure if this will bring anything significant for Honshu as winds will be to far from NNE?

    Since I am new to this, could be completely wrong, anything I'm missing?
     
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    That's about right. This season, we've been suffering from hardly any sea/lake effect events, so the lows have been providing the snow. But, as you've noted, lows are not ideal, so the freeze levels are high.... not much we can do about it.
    Where are you in Japan?
    Shiga Kogen has the best top to bottom cover this season, because of the high elevation 1339m-2307m, which is at least 500m higher than most other places (top and bottom).
     
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    That is interesting, Are there usually sea/lake effect events in March? or is it usually lows that provide the snow as spring kicks in? I am currently traveling in Japan.
     
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    There are sometimes/often sea/lake effect events in March, and occasionally in April.
     
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    Keeping all me fingers crossed mate. I'll be in Hakkoda this Saturday
     
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    Hi everyone. Does anyone know at what wind speed do they close gondola's and chair lifts?
     
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    Hi everyone. Does anyone know at what wind speed do they close gondola's and chair lifts?
     
  13. Donzah

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    Its not just speed its also direction.
    There is no set formula or speed as such that you can measure as a customer.
     
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    Howdy, in my recent Hakuba visit I observed that Japanese resort operators are quite risk adverse (as warned!) and will shut chairlifts in quite modest winds, even those on the lower (Happo) mountain like the Sakka access chair. (#3?).

    Mind you, one day a couple of weeks ago, Upper Happo reportedly had 100 km/h winds and it was not fun up at Whitehorse/top of Gondola - with outer doors blown inwards and snow blowing into the entry porch.

    But some of the nearby smaller mountains seem less affected by strong winds. So scan mountain reports carefully in the morning and catch the appropriate bus. As an example I think Goryu /H47 was mostly open on that wild day (~18/2) that saw Happo largely closed.
     
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    From a few years back.They did close and took everyone down by cat. I dropped straight in and missed the instructions :)
     
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    Huge pineapple showing on GFS for next week, warm and wet
     
  17. Sandy

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    Yes, around Tue/Wed. Even Hokkaido will cop a beating. More snow likely a week later though.
     
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    Snow today around Furano with wind to go with it.
    Ropeway shut for the season, gondola will be on wind hold for a few days.
    Good timing to be in the departure lounge to fly back. Mint trip though.
     
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    and from this morning. I don't think they should have opened but glad they did.
     
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    Hi I’m thinking about going up to Asahidake later this week. Forecast looks good with cold temps. Has anyone access to the 12 day forecast for next week. Thanks
     
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    Sticky, rain affected snow at Zao with more rain and high winds forecast for tomorrow. Probably spend the day down in Yamagata tomorrow before heading to Appi.
     
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    I wouldn't get your hopes up on 12 day snow forecast accuracy.
     
  23. Sandy

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    And even though this season has been mostly low pressure troughs, and not sea/lake effect snow, snow-forecast has still not been forecasting well.
     
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    Been a grim season for a lot of Honshu resorts


    I'm getting in early for a 20/21 for a record breaking positive season!
     
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    But not too bad for Shiga Kogen:
     
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    No, not to bad at all for all us oldies. :thumbs:
     
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    I'm not sure about Hakuba, but Myoko and Nozawa Onsen have had their snowiest February since 2006. I think Shiga Kogen too and probably many others in the area too have been above average in Feb.

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    I swear next time I go to Honshu I will hold my nerve (follow Sandy’s sage advice) & stay most of the time in Shiga & maybe just sample Myoko/ Nozawa on way back or not?

    Hakuba was fun and access to a club lodge is a huge plus for a Japanese newbie. Downloading & rain not so great.

    But I’ll be also seeking more Powder reliability & side country access next time. That could also mean considering Hokkaido next time - more complex trip but worth it?
     
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    This season was far from normal. Whether it is an anomaly or signs of things to come, only time will tell. Averages have shown that if you can be in Japan for the sweet spot of the season (Mid Jan to Early Feb), then pretty much all of Honshu resorts are fair game - some receive more snow than others, but it depends on what you are after.

    I wouldn't be making any plans just yet for next season.
     
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    I think I take those figures with a grain of salt. Just the way the season has played out with the progression of lows, its been warm (rain), heavy snow then dry (melt). So although the cumulative numbers look healthy, lower-mid elevations particularly have not been able to create decent bases. Those images of patchy Hakuba base areas are testament to this. 50cm on nothing is very different to 50cm on a decent surface.
     
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    cheers Chrissy, just blown much of my ski budget for the year so no real plans for the nth hemi for quite a few months - or longer if I delay a year or two?

    I realise there’s much emotion (personal bias) in my sample of one area & one season.

    it’s just as likely to be a record season or best in 5 or 10 years next J winter. And probably will if I don’t make it?? (;-)

    The CV elephant in room also means a wait n see approach regarding airlines; flights and prices might be prudent. Possibly post CV peak, there may(?) be some good flight/accom deals to lure us from our fortresses?
     
  32. Sandy

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    Those figures are ok, I think.
    However, most of Feb and early March was warm (rain, washing snow away), heavy snow (high snowfall), then a short period of dry, with a bit of melt but not huge, until just before the rain. And the lower elevation below 900-1000m suffered, because of this pattern.
    In the latter part of Feb into March, most of the rain was snow at Shiga Kogen.
     
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    Stay on topic.
     
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    Note too bad, but still the worst season (at this stage) by 1m or so. A really strange snow season, lake effect just didn't seem to properly get going.
     
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    They did, but they got routinely interrupted by pineapples from China.
     
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    Cortina in Hakuba has closed for the season...lack of snow
     
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    In central Japan, the REAL sea/lake effect only happened 2-3 times. Normal season, at least 10-12.
     
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    Oh dear is that the earliest for a long period?
     
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    I'd have a punt and say the corona virus will have also impacted
     
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    Cortina never closes before the end of March. Normal closing date is end of the 1st Sunday in April.
     
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    I don't disagree, all I'm saying is when it did happen, it was routinely interrupted by pineapples from China. I don't think there's anything critically wrong with my statement. :)
     
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    Speaks volumes then Sandy?
     
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    Can you see anything promising in the upcoming forecast?
     
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    Hakuba webcams:
    Cortina:


    Tsugaike:


    Norikura:


    and the rest don't seem to be working!
     
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    Yes, for central Japan (you were in Nozawa, right?)
    - Should be snowing a little right now above 1400m, and above 300m tonight
    - Some snow on Friday night above 800m
    - Snow developing late Sat morning above 1100m, dropping to 600m in the afternoon and 400m at night, clearing Sun morning
    - Snow developing late Sun afternoon above 300m, becoming heavier at night.
    - Heavy snow continuing Monday, easing late afternoon. Freeze level 0m.
    - Then probably no snow for more than a week.
     
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    Zao yesterday after raining all day. Thank F for goretex.
    MissBoof and I still had a good 4 days of skiing the slush but timed our departure perfectly. Would not want to be there now.
    Snowing as we entered Appi with about 10 cm of fresh with more on the way. Looking forward to tomorrow.



     
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    Unless you are touched by tons of luck and you spend a whole winter season in Japan, most people’s evaluation of a season is how much it snowed during their 2 week stay. Based solely on that, I experienced this year the most snowfall in the 6 odd visits to Japan
     
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    Apparently Myoko had the most in February since 1960.How strange is that?
     
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    But you are right Argento.I was in Myoko all last season where we got 17 metres of snow.Spoilt rotten .Seems like a dream now
     
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    I agree totally. we arrived Tashiro-Kagura/Yuzawa late Jan for 2 weeks. Had rain first 2 days then great conditions for the rest of the trip.
     
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