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The Jindabyne thread..

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by Donzah, Aug 12, 2020.

  1. Snow Blowey

    Snow Blowey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Same reason people don't return trolleys to trolley nays or put their rubbish in the bin after eating at junk food establishments I guess. It's someone else's job and /or they look for the easy way with everything in life and once one lazy farker leaves something behind it makes it easier for the next bunch of lazy farkers to justify their antisocial behaviour.
     
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  2. dawooduck

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    Bloke takes bottles to the bottle n can bank, bottle bank only takes bottles n cans, bloke leaves bags n boxes behind.

    A primary failing of our packaged society, selective worth motivations v ease of compliance.
     
  3. BlueHue

    BlueHue One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep except right behind them and easy to get to at that spot are recycling bins, granted probably not big enough to take the overflow at this time of year.
     
  4. Donzah

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    Its not emptied often enough during peak periods.
     
  5. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    It is unclear if the bins are pub or recycle related. I use them for the odd bottle that gets miss filed in my multiple use recycle bags.

    What is really stupid in the whole system is that is selective in what it takes. Should take all bottles, cans and tetra packs.

    It's kinda self failing for the above reason and that people are required to be very organised to use it but thankfully the area is in the majority clean of refuse.
     
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  6. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    Most definitely.

    Tourist towns need a central accessible recycle and rubbish place or the rubbish just get distributed all round the town bins.

    The boat ramp also needs a dump zone as well.

    Gotta KISS for the tourist.
     
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  7. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    There is no help for many, was talking to a mate who runs a cafe in the hills. He experimented, and was picking up rubbish that people had to have walked past 3 bins that he had strategically placed, before dropping on the ground. Many stories of people going back to their cars in the ON carparks at the end of the stay, and dumping a maccas bag before leaving. I think our DNA is getting weaker.
     
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  8. Ozgirl

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    Agree the system is very complicated in what it takes and doesn't take!

    But thats a shocking mess.
     
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    Jacko4650 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    As a tourist visiting Jindabyne a few seasons ago, I collected a shopping bag full of rubbish in the car. Since I was driving past the tip, thought I would do the right thing and drop it of. "That will be $15?" the lady said. "That is the minimum charge and it's for a 240l wheelie bin." I'm not surprised there is a waste problem in Jindabyne and other places when people are confronted by that sort of attitude (institutionalised). All of the items in that little bag came from Jindabyne retailers; food packaging and wrappers, labels from clothing etc.
     
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  10. dawooduck

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    It's a pile of beer boxes and crazily enough, plastic buckets for tossing empties when camping or holiday.

    The small mercy of no putrid waste is noted.
     
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  11. Jacko4650

    Jacko4650 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    The Council evidently don't care about mess. This is a photo from downwind of the tip: Perhaps they hadn't heard that it gets windy in Jindabyne from time to time. The mess continues all the way down into the Snowy River.
    It's hard to see from the photo, but rubbish was absolutely everywhere.
     
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  12. dawooduck

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    Interesting, my waste is dumped on weight not minimum charge. I usually pay $3 for the monthly couple of white hessian bags of recycle. The amount doesn't even register on the weighbridge.

    Putrid waste is a similar charge.

    I do agree that $15 minimum was a stupid call.
     
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  13. dawooduck

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    Needs a much bigger catch fence and a weekly clean up.
     
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    Weird, never been charged a minimum. Always on weight and usually well below $15.
     
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    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    My ongoing experience is $3. My monthly rubbish load never registers on the scale but it almost always recyclable.

    If I didn't donate my bottle drop returns to the community centre they would cover my tip visits.

    How goods that :thumbs:
     
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  16. Jacko4650

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    One would hope that their attitude to waste has changed since that poor experience of mine a few seasons ago - it seems they have become more pragmatic at least.
     
  17. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    This is a predictable result of a complicated, inconvenient system which puts the onus of action on consumers rather than producers. We should be like Germany where the producer of the product is responsible for the recycling. You just take your empties beach to where you bought them for a refund. The while bottle return system in NSW is just an elaborate ruse to allow manufacturers to create packaging for their convenience only.
     
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  18. Telemark Phat

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    Funny, I've never been charged for dropping off recycling.
     
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    In Germany they return to the retailer, not the producer. They also have 2 levels of return - 1 is essentially the same as the return and earn machines, but at a retailer. The other is returnable bottles that then get taken back to the factory and are reused rather than recycled. Much different level of logistics involved
    As always, tyranny of distance in Aus needs to be considered along with initial setup (and space)
     
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  20. Donzah

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    I took mine to a new facility yesterday.
    Got my vouchers then headed off to Woolworths.
    Scan.
    Invalid.
    Iga vouchers ...
    Dammit.
     
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  21. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    I know, I lived there long enough to understand the systems. They were created by the manufacturers because the German legislation puts the responsibility on the manufacturers.

    Tyranny of distance my arse. Tyranny of retailer and manufacturer convenience. Our packaging exists for the industry, not consumers. Packaging isn't reused for industry convenience.
     
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  22. Legs Akimbo

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    50+ years ago in NSW you returned bottles to the retailer for a deposit. Urchins such as myself scoured the streets for pocket money.
     
  23. kylep

    kylep Cage rattler Ski Pass: Gold

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    Well of course it needs to be commercially viable. It's just laughable to throw out the 'we should be like ...' without acknowledging many of the differences. Should we have over 40 manufacturing plants for a particular manufacturer in Australia where currently there are 5? Should we have a retailer owning the production of a particular brand so they have increased market power? Oh, and also owning one of the major recycling plants so they can have additional market power?
     
  24. dawooduck

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    I recently watched a doco on "the future" with fully automated phone account linked stores where everything was packed in small instant user style packaging.

    It was frightening the many layers of packaging and carry out packagining involved.
     
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    Once the responsibility is placed on industry they'll figure out how to carry it out. Germany was simply an example of a place where the industry which creates a product (packaging) which exists soley for its own convenience is responsible for the disposal of that product. I'm not smart enough to say how industry would best fulfil that responsibility.
     
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  26. Ozgirl

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    Vouchers? Huh?
     
  27. Donzah

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    Return n earn
     
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  28. Jacko4650

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    I have thought about this quite a bit, having worked for some of Australia's largest consumer packaged goods companies and they are all at the mercy of the retailers here in Oz, hence put the cost of waste on retailers and it will quickly filter to the manufacturers.
    Retailers probably "add" to the amount of packaging atm as they bear the cost of wastage, damage and so on and demand robust packaging to minimise this. If the cost of handling waste becomes part of the equation, they would probably accept more damage and less packaging accordingly. Perhaps another thread for this, but I see it as a major issue in the coming years. We removed plastic shopping bags. We can do it; we can manage our waste more betterer.
     
  29. Jacko4650

    Jacko4650 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Can anyone recommend a decent shed company for Jindabyne? ie: somebody you might go to for a second one.
    Council have let me know that my block will have the remaining capital works completed Mar/Apr, triggering resgistration and settlement shortly thereafter, so I will have to get my act together if I want any structures by ski season. It's a lot sooner than I predicted, but that's a good thing.
     
  30. Ozgirl

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    Oh didnt know you could get vouchers.
     
  31. Ozgirl

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    There snowy sheds or something out on polo flat road in cooma?
     
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  32. Donzah

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    There's a place in Wollongong that gives you cash.
    That's the best.
     
  33. Ozgirl

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    Dad get's paypal credit for gagets...
     
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  34. climberman

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    Yay the duopoly!
     
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  35. Donzah

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    Its got worse...the vouchers are for Iga....Thirroul
     
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    Swap them for French Cheese!!
     
  37. Donzah

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    Mah gawd. The traffic
     
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    Save Throol Village!!

    I saw a number plate yesterday: THROOL
    Was on a pretty average car too!
     
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  39. Donzah

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    Jindy needs a FOGO.

    In fact. All councils do.
     
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  40. Ozgirl

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    Mum's there right now (thirroul)
     
  41. Ozgirl

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    No delivery? Even an IGA has delievery...
     
  42. climberman

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    Tell her IGA has the best cheese. I’d go for the 15 month Comte, or the Pyngana cloth-aged cheddar.

    *homerdrools.png*
     
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    Snowy Sheds yeah, I think @dawooduck used them, and I know the owners(full disclosure) he gets into those powered gliders, basically strap a motor to your back, and a wing. Amazing. Good bloke.
     
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  44. Donzah

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    I'm about to go put some pizza boxes in the council compost scheme..FOGO.

    If it rots or decomposes. It goes in FOGO.
    Cuts waste down by massive %
     
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    Pretty sure they were the ones that didn't return my email a few weeks back, but worth another try; perhaps by phone?
     
  46. Donzah

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    Another business in jindy that's run off its feet?
     
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  47. Ozgirl

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    Closed for xmas??
     
  48. dawooduck

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    Snowy sheds build a quality shed, give them a call and remember everything takes a minimum of a month in the mountains.

    Get into them and with a bit of luck you can have it up by winter.

    Will need a DA, soils report, excavation, slab but they can usually organise all that.

    Get cracking, ain't no one waiting around for work.

    For a fee I can get your DA in which will move things along quicker.
     
  49. Ozgirl

    Ozgirl Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Her's a weird question.

    Whats the warmest part of the lake to swim in?

    Im guessing shallow and furthest from inlets? But where would that be?
     
  50. Donzah

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    Claypits is the warmest.
    But its usually soupy.
    I like the peninsula thingy in front of horizons. Off the rocks.