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The lost Buller files...

Discussion in 'Mt Buller' started by VSG, Jul 4, 2010.

  1. benzerknees

    benzerknees Hard Yards

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    Hmm No Village TBar Very Lost files but .........

    Bourke st Pomas
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    Boggy Creek T Bar
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    Bourke st
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    Baldy
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    Federation
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    Shakey Knees
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  2. benzerknees

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    Oops....Forgot this one ..From Summit.....Top of Baldy is looking very pre industrial!
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  3. kimberlee81

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    So old they should be in sepia!
     
  4. pezza

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    wow thanks for posting
     
  5. Vermillion

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    Love Summit Access poma [​IMG]
     
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  6. CarveMan

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    Not in those photos. Just the Baldy duplex at that stage.
     
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  7. Vermillion

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    Ah it is too i didnt look close enough to see the second one. It's all a jumble of metal anyway.
     
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  8. CarveMan

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    Still not quite right, when the Summit Access Poma was built, it was the third Poma leaving from Heli Flat [​IMG]
     
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  9. Vermillion

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    That's when it was built, not how i remember it! Im not that freaking old I remember it across from BB1 [​IMG]
     
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  10. benzerknees

    benzerknees Hard Yards

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    [​IMG]

    These photos are from 1971.
    If you look carefully you can see there are three Poma's. The summit / howqua poma (the furthest away)
    had already been in since the mid sixty's, and the Baldy Poma's had replaced a T bar to the top of little
    Baldy, several years earlier.

    Tyrol T-Bar is not in the photos yet. It probably went in, in '72. Originally, It's top drive station ended the
    summit side of baldly, just behind the present administration building that is now on baldy. That
    administration building used to be the top station of blue lifts baldy chair, that likely went in, in '72 as well.

    Orange and Blue Lifts : The Cold War Continues.

    In the cat and mouse game between orange lifts and blue lifts, in those days, it is said that the Tyrol T-Bar
    deliberately ended behind blue lifts chair, to stop the rumoured ambition of blue lifts to extend the chair to
    the summit and encroaching on orange lifts supposed territory.

    The next major battle between the lift companys' was I think, 1981. The old Fed T-Bar, (which you can just
    make out, a couple of people going up on the T-Bar , in the Fed photo.) Was to be replaced, going a whole
    lot lower than the original T-Bar. John Hilton-Wood owner of the Blue lift company maintained that all the
    runs out as far as men's downhill were his. In fact, you had always been able to ski the old federation run
    and make it back to the Blue lifts Bull run T-Bar. (using Bluelifts Skyline as well)

    So to mark his territory in '81 as well, in went the Sun valley "super" Poma, as Bluelifts liked to call it. He
    also marked his territory in the courts with an injunction against orange lifts who began cutting a trail from
    the Sun valley run back to Federation. He won - no trail.

    The Sun valley "super" poma was my most loved lift. Ski patrol said the lift line was too steep, it could never
    work , but work it did......A zero gravity ride, 4 minutes to the top, jump off under the bluff , and out of the
    wind and fog. In 1982, Fed had no Midload, and didn't run all season, due to poor snow. So, all that
    season, a ticket on Bluelifts got you all of a deserted Fed, and back to the Sun valley Poma.

    Rumour has it, that the lack of a Midload on Fed, at the time of it being built, was due to the fact that the
    orange lifts directors' were trying to sack, their best asset, and manager , over many years, Hans Grimus.
    Thus, Hans forgot to mention the Midload.

    Thus began the turbulent year of 1981, with orange lifts appointing an ex army colonel to the job of
    manager. So the battle continues into 1983, with the first horse hill chairlift, built by orange lifts. John
    Hilton-Wood of Blue, said, " if you put a theodolite (a survey instrument) down the Whitaker lift line you
    end up right on horsehill. " Clearly he felt, he had been dudded by orange and the alpine commission.

    Okay he missed out on horsehill, but in went the village run T-Bar, to the valley, replacing the Whitaker
    poma. The home trails were cut , handy to this day. Village 3 , originally called "catwalk" by Chris Hilton
    -Wood and the somewhat dubious run, St. Christopher's.

    Cow camp and the other village runs were already maintained by orange. You could now ski a nice orange
    lift's groomed Cow camp and board a Bluelift. The Colonel must have thought this means "War". Orange
    had lost the injunction to cut a trail from sun valley, and now there were stealing his run!

    O for a camera phone in those days, because armed with my Bluelifts seasons pass, I skied down the nice
    and groomed CowCamp for the opening day of village T-Bar. There was Bob Bateup, with his snow
    groomer and two of the Hilton-Wood boys arguing , at the bridge connecting Cow Camp and the new T-Bar.
    The colonel had apparently ordered him to scrape the snow off the bridge! It didn't happen and I had my
    first run up the village T-Bar.

    Of course most people had always imagined orange would win the war. By '84, the Hilton-Wood boys were
    talking quad chair on bull run. Detachable quad for Bourke St. (Quad chair! Impossible we all thought,
    chairs maxed out at three. The earth was flat except for Mt Buller, end of story.) Bluelifts teamed up with
    McMahon's construction company, and in they went quads, detachable, unbelievable.

    By 85, Orange had sold out to the now more powerful Bluelifts.
    Hilton-Wood gave the order, " Paint all the towers blue !"
    The war was over Bluelifts had won and the rest is history.
     
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  11. CarveMan

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    Great story! Love it!
     
  12. VSG

    VSG Crayon Master Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    When I skied Buller for the first time in '81, in a legendary four day blizzard in late July... I was advised by locals (UniMelb lodge manager) to go Orange, for a greater spread of the hill. In preference to Blue.

    Federation was heaps fun for a gumby like me. fell every 10 metres in the soft, damp Aussie porridge snow.....

    Orange was da bomb. [​IMG]
     
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  13. CarveMan

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    We were always Blue Lifts skiers but I think that was more to do with friendships of my parents.
     
  14. PolePlant

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    Excelent history
    Just one point
    81 season Hans was Orange boss.
    The colonel didnt start till next year.
     
  15. Bogong

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    Thanks so much for those wonderful photos and that fascinating post Benzerkness!

    I'm quite interested in ski history and I'd sort of worked out most of what you wrote. But there are a few gems of new information there. Sadly the authorised Buller history is too decorous to say much about The War, it's one lapse is to say that the day after Blue bought out Orange, Hilton-Wood ordered all the lift towers to be painted blue. "It was the happiest day of his life!"
     
  16. VSG

    VSG Crayon Master Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Could it be he got the job in late 81, and started in season 82. ?

     
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  17. PolePlant

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    Quite possible
    I called at some stage about getting work on maintenance for the next season, had served 2 yrs of my apprenticeship at that staqe.
    The colonel was in charge by then and I spoke to him and was asked to apply but never followed it up and got a job in Melb sooner.
    That would have been before the start of 82 season so possible Hans finished up end of 81 winter.
     
  18. miss_b_haven

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    Your pics and the information is really interesting - thanks for posting. [​IMG]
     
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  19. benzerknees

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    I am pretty sure that by May '81 , the Colonel was in charge,
    as he was taking interviews in Melbourne for that coming season's staff.

    (Fortunately, I fell victim to regime change after having worked for Orange previously
    ...and I eventually worked out you could get more skiing done working in town and
    holidaying in the snow rather than working in the snow ! ) ...

    I did find this link Australian ski tow directory
    And it has Horse Hill and Village T-Bar going in, in 1982, which is likely correct.
    And 1980 for Sun Valley's first season, with John HW, marking his territory in advance of the Fed lift going in.
     
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  20. CarveMan

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    Took me 10 years to figure that one out! [​IMG]
     
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  21. PolePlant

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    1980 may have been when they started on Sun Valley but its first Winter running was 81.
    I was working for Blue to start with in 81 and spent a few days fitting the seat buttons to the brand new Sun Valley pomas.

    But Blue was crap and Marge was a tyrannt and the fact she hated my mother from way back didn't help my cause.
    Came to a head one day.
    Bull Run house was mouldy a dump anyway and Blue lifts were dodgy and dangerous.
    I walked up to Hans place and asked him for a job, gave me one on the spot and did the rest of the season on Orange.
     
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  22. pezza

    pezza First Runs

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    great stories everyone. really interesting for a younger skiier like me. but where abouts did the whittacker and sunvalley pomas run?
     
  23. Bogong

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    Pezza. Sun Valley was a Poma between Bull Run (Blue Lifts) and Federation (Orange Lifts). According to the link that benzerknees posted (List of every lift at Bulller) , it only operated from 1980 to 1985.

    Whitacker was a Blue Poma on the other side of the village heading down towards Orange's Tirol T-bar. It ran from 1969 to 1981 and was replaced with the Village T-bar which was a bit longer. Village closed in 2003.
     
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  24. pezza

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    thanks Bogong [​IMG]
     
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    Just found some pics from July 2003

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    Snowed a lot the last week of July 03.
     
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    Yep this was from 27th July - think they got around 50cm in 24 hours. First shot is just after first chain bay
     
  29. pezza

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    SDS kicking in already
     
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    Why hasn't anyone removed the old Whitaker/village run lift poles? Was the lease kept in place in case a gondolo might go in one day from horese hill to the village as the masterplan now proposes?
     
  31. Vermillion

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    What would you do with them if you removed them? You have to store them somewhere they are probably better left out there. It's ok they would be getting the same maintenance as the running lifts on the hill anyway [​IMG]
     
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    1981. I told a few folks at Buller SIC09... that it had been about 28 years since my first and last visit... [​IMG]

    Scanned a few old slides, with me new multifunction printer and me mac.


    I believe its the legendary week of major pukage in mid July 1981, at Buller... it snowed non stop. I had to walk from where car is parked, up to Melb Uni lodge for the week's fun. Had to walk back down a couple of times to grab items I'd forgotten... smokes, alcamahol and the camera with which these slides were taken.. my olden memory tells me.



    cheers...

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    VSG Crayon Master Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Done some VSG magic on one of the above... they are really dark files. Slow ISO film, on my fave old SLR... no sun, fog all week.. and heaps snow! [​IMG]

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    VSG Crayon Master Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Another....

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    As someone who didn't ski Buller until 1994 (or thereabouts), I love seeing all these old photos and reading all the old stories. Great thread.
     
  36. Rudy Garmish

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    A few more for the Buller files from many years ago (not actually photos), but hopefully of interest all the same.

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    So it was $15 in 1981 for an Orange day ticket. What's that is today's bucks?
     
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    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Interesting back then the breakeven on a season pass was 20 days, now it's 14.
     
  40. Vermillion

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    Yes but the price adjustment ($50 based on the above post) means that if that was applied to the current season pass the break-even would be many more days.
     
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  41. Rudy Garmish

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    I still feel that skiing was more 'exclusive' back when I was younger (ie - in the 70's & 80's).
     
  42. PolePlant

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    It was then
     
  43. Bogong

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  44. PolePlant

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    I wore both in 81
    From memory Blue didnt had a logo just two blue stripes (or maybe one stripe) on sleeve and same on parka.
    Orange staff had the same but orange stripes, then the logo came later for Orange which we had in 81.
     
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    Look up Chris Hilton-Wood and ask him.

    Haven't seen him up there this year though. And he's hard to miss.
     
  46. PolePlant

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    He was instructing when I worked at Blue, light blue suit and red hair you could spot him a long way off.
     
  47. Rudy Garmish

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    I've got another sticker (not yet scanned) that reads : WHY QUEUE? SKI BLUE!

    No logo though and couldn't find anything on Google.
     
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    Hi Bogong....Blue Lifts made a very cool staff windcheater with these logos ....Ski school on front, Mt Buller Australia on back. I have been preserving this one.

    Blue Lifts had the "French Ski School" and Orange Lifts had the "Austrian Ski School"
    ..Of course in the Austrian ski school , one was required to benzerknees ....

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    The next few photos are from 1980 , including some Orange Lifts staff back then.
    This first photo may bring back repressed memories from ex staff members : Of early mornings, with fried eggs gasping for survivial in 2 inches of boiling oil.
    It of course is the famous (or infamous) George the Austrian cook. He was a friend of Hans Grimus and cooked at Tyrol Lodge for Orange Lifts Staff (now Cafe) for many years.

    With many a new staff member, George would make up a nickname for you. Then, as days and weeks went by ,he would add more to his assessment of you.
    For instance , a friend of mine back then , was tall and pretty skinny... George named him "Greyhound" ..Then later on George would say (everytime Greyhound was in hearing)
    " That Greyhound... He sooo skinny , He have to jump between jet to jet under the shower to get wet. HA HA HA HA!!"....... That was George's humour.
    Of course , everyone he named , got stuck with that name. ( I was always told , " You better with a spoon than with a shovel." It was a fairly accurate description)

    He would often warn the newbies...."Han's no like" , and " You can always go from Orange to Blue (lifts) but NEVER Blue to Orange."

    George had a an German Shepard , Skipper, but unlike Han's German Shepard, Captain. Captain was lean and fit and sometimes skied down Bourke St on skis Hans had made for him.
    Skipper on the other hand , looked just like George , but in dog form.
    I clearly remember on Sunday..Schnizel day, Skipper lying down on his fat body , legs out sidewises , face in a bowl on leftover Schnizels, unable to fit another one in .

    When regime change came and the Colonel took charge from Hans , so that ended Georges career.

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