SnowPorn The other side of Hansi Hinterseer

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  1. DPS Driver

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    Seen that clip a few times before. Amazing how close course workers/spectators were in those days. Some decent ruts also.
    This was also around the time that Klammer was dominating in downhills (remember watching a few on TV while over there at the time), so slalom may have got less focus.
     
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    Yeah! I liked the course set up, especially that little left hand step down section. Very different to the highways they build today.

    I had a laugh when he hit the sunny section and you could see the course cut through some moguls. Possible remnants of previous races, none the less you don't see that these days.
     
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    Snowmaking, grooming and course prep all in their infancy. Track prep these days produces hard snow those guys in the 70s never saw. That winning run in the video would be second run so I think you are seeing the ruts from the first run. Normally the course setters would set well away but that pitch seemed quite narrow so I dont think they had much choice but to offset from the first run line.
     
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    Like. Must be a lesson there somewhere.. Alternate inner arm forward with outer arm back to retain centered ?


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    Sure, but the people demand traditional Hansi. Mop-top schlock sex machine, Hansi Hinterseer.

    Ever seen a man playing the accordion while skiing? No? Ever wanted to? Hell yeah! Well, be my guest at 1.44

     
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    Nobody knows what this means. Including you.
     
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    Release your receptive regions.
    I would illustrate how we analyze specific styles for advantageous torque released into the next turn but preferably not with this example, due to frame rate and definition deficiencies.
    Basically, you need to identify precisely the center of the transition process and look for any upper body movement in the direction of the next turn being stopped at that moment.
    A primitive example of this with which you must be familiar involves blocking using the pole plant .
    The next step involves not concentrating on what your little toe can contribute to a turn, but timing the rotation stopping of upper body components. Even a timed hand movement is effective.
    Every advanced skier uses this to some degree, but understanding it allows us to optimize it for every situation. :)
     
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    Maybe we should start with wot it is not ?
    Even Hansi could not turn like this. Maybe it involves a pendulum effect from a member that is hidden from our view ?
     
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    Once I could rely on you for succinct contributions to our investigation of what has become a cleverly concealed aspect of advanced skiing.
    Concentrate.
    Allais claims to have given us shoulder rotation and rotation blocking. Kruckenhauser claims to have given us cross under and faster rotation by using arms as well. Actually, they both got their insights by observing rather than originating.
    That is our approach here.
    Bob Barnes remains the best practitioner of style analysis and then EXPONENT of those insights, but he found it necessary to exaggerate and then decry rotation, even from snowplough turns, in order to satisfy an unhealthy diversion which has left skiing at a deadend.

    He claims to use leg rotation there, but it cannot be observed, and is not even possible without causing his "telemark effect", where one ski will then lead.
    He is forced to admit that "Inside half of the body leads", although he conceals it well.
    You will notice that he avoids "step on the outside ski", which has been extolled and extended ad nauseam. :)
     
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    You can lead a horse to water...
    Thanks for nothing.
    Little Red Hen here, looking for alternate explanation.

    We must consider that the change in anticipation method between left and right turns has made it handy for Hansi to handle the side slope of the course, which is to skier's left. ??

    Not to worry. But I might leave you with a stark comparison between Bob's snowplough, which leads to high speed gliding wedge, and the rubbish that your own children are being taught, which must be forgotten as soon possible....
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