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The planning begins - Sun Peaks/USA trip Jan 2021

Discussion in 'Canada' started by Me+3, Jan 24, 2019.

  1. Me+3

    Me+3 Hard Yards

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    Howdy all.
    Have been a member for a while. Posted here and there over the years.
    Have skied in Aus for many years (know and can handle pretty much every run in Perisher and have ventured to Thredbo a few times too), and finally biting the bullet and planning some skiing overseas.
    I know it's a while away... but I like to plan and am so keen for this trip might as well get the ball rolling.

    Background to trip / key notes:
    - My family consists of wife (beginner/intermediate - doesn't truly love skiing, enjoys knocking off early for a hot chocolate/wine most days) and twin girls who will be 12y/o for the trip. All skied before.
    - Also have my cousin's family coming too. They consist of Husband, Wife and 3x boys aged 11, 9 & 5/6 at time of trip. All skied before.
    - Have always wanted to ski overseas - never had the time or spare funds to do so..
    - Have heard so many positive stories on Sun Peaks - and both families more than keen to go there - but happy for other options if you think it'd be suitable for the 2 families.
    - I'm turning 40 in 2020 - this trip will be a present to myself (*and the family)
    - Want to suprise the kids and visit Disneyland (they won't be told though...) in LA on the way home.
    - Want to do a bit of sightseeing - in BC and USA, but not heaps
    - Would love to go to an ice hockey game
    - Happy to do a bit of driving, so happy to rent a car if it provides flexibility and isn't too expensive.
    - Length of trip will be from early Jan... for about 3 weeks (need to be back by Aus Day/start of school year).

    Got a few questions to ask... so hoping for some feedback on the following....
    1. What time is sunrise & sunset in Sun Peaks ? (just curious....)
    2. Accommodation: definitely want ski-in/ski-out and prefer to be close to village base. Any recommendations for accommodation? Both families are happy to go into and pay a little extra for a larger townhouse/free-standing house - pending distance from village base.
    3. Likely to do 1-2 nights in Vancouver to see some sights.
    4. Do the majority of people hire a car (for convenience mostly) and take a scenic drive up to Sun Peaks. Happy to stop over for one night somewhere if need be? Not sure if there is anything worth stopping for ? The drive doesn't seem long anyway. Would having car make it handier for stocking up on groceries/general shopping in Kamloops/Vancouver for that matter? Sun Peaks for ~10 days/nights
    5 - after Sun Peaks - fly Kamloops > Vegas, check it out, Helicopter flight over GC 1-2 nights - then drive to LA ? Any key sites to see on the way ? Do Disneyland, Santa Monica Pier + any other recommendations for 2-3 days in LA them fly home.

    Any tips, comments and feedback is welcomed and encouraged!

    Matt.
     
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  2. Beerman

    Beerman One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    1. Approx 07.15 Sun up and 16.00 Sun down. Lifts close at 15.30

    2.Agree with your thinking, we stayed out at East Village so can't help with in Village Accoms, but plenty choose from.

    3.Depends on what interests you and family, but plenty to see and do in Vancouver.

    4.Car is handy for groceries, site seeing etc. Not mandatory though. Read the "Driving in Canada" thread for further info. One Way car Rentals can be prohibitively expensive. You can fly into Kamloops and hire vehicles from there. 3 hire mobs operate from the airport, Budget, National and Enterprise. There is also another hire company not far from the Airport called Can-ex, that have Ford F150 and such type vehicles, also worth a look.
     
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  3. BoofHead

    BoofHead One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Re the hockey, you should be able to catch a Blazers home game.
     
  4. sly_karma

    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Simplify the process and reduce costs by not having a car at SP, or perhaps for just half of the time. Some shuttles will take you to supermarket for first time shopping and the on mountain shop will have enough for topping up through the stay.

    Yes, the drive over from the coast is scenic, but it can be pretty harrowing on a bad day as the Coquihalla Pass averages 15 metres of snow a year. It is the key route from Vancouver to Calgary and on east to the rest of Canada. Imagine Hume Highway level truck traffic trying to deal with 30 cm falling in one night. Obviously most vehicles do it safely, but is that the smart way to introduce yourself to driving on the right and long highway trips in snow?
     
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    BoofHead One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    My last trip to Sunpeaks from Vancouver Island I saw no less than 6 vehicles that had come off the road. We caught the last ferry off the island so majority of trip was at night. Hairy. I had studded tyres on so my vehicle stuck to the road like shite to a blanket but still unnerving.
     
  6. Me+3

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    thanks for comments so far. appreciated.
     
  7. Legs Akimbo

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    A bit left field, but IMO the best combination of skiing and scenery is Utah or Colorado and a drive through the South West back to LA. Maybe Amtrak from Denver to Salt Lake for the mountains and a drive from Salt Lake.

    There is more daylight because you are further south and the roads are a lot less problematic. Bucks are an issue.
     
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  8. Harper11

    Harper11 Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    It’s worth it for the terrain at sun peaks though
    It certainly makes sense to travel half way across the world and risk frozen highways
     
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    Drive from Vegas to LA is great. Lots of desert but interesting and you will know when you get close to LA. Time was around 5 hours I think, done it twice but cant remember. Stopped in Bairstow at the Maccas for breakfast. Interesting, old railway passenger cars. We have gone to Anaheim both times, stayed at the Anaheim Hilton, easy walk to the park.
     
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    When I have driven from Colorado or Utah the bit from Vegas to LA is the uninteresting bit.

    If you stay in Anaheim the Tropicana Inn & Suites is the closest motel to the park entrance. Nothing special but certainly adequate. Typical US big rooms. Crap breakfast.
     
  11. Joe

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    There are plenty of other ski resorts that are more accessible then Sun Peaks with your travel plans when hitting up Vegas etc. Fly into Salt Lake City Utah, world class ski resorts offering more variety right on your doorstep, shuttles to and from the Airport much more accessible. Park City is an actual town with an array of shops and a free shuttle for memory, it’s not a purpose built isolated resort.
     
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    Yep. There's one in every crowd.
     
  13. Legs Akimbo

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    In LA, if you are into art, The Getty Museum (Middle Ages on) and the Getty Villa (antiquity) are musts. Both free but you might have to book. The big Getty is in the middle of suburban nowhere north of downtown off the San Diego Freeway, and the Getty Villa is at Malibu.
     
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  14. sly_karma

    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    As much as I'm a proud Canadian/Aussie, Joe points out some truth here: travel time/complexity. Yes, the US is more expensive because of exchange rate, but three weeks is not very long, and there are young kids involved. A travel agent friend told me years ago the best holiday destination for families with young kids is "anywhere you can get to in a single flight from your home airport'. Every flight sector and land transfer you can remove is an improvement both in quality time and the hassle factor with whingey kids. Nonstop to LAX, domestic to SLC or Denver and you're done. Extra days in LA for Disney, simples. Extra flights to Vancouver and Kamloops, not bad in and of themselves, but it's extra flight and transfer time cutting into holidays.

    The big vanilla CO resorts like Breck, Keystone and Copper live and die by occupancy rates like any big accoms operator. They are bound to have some good package rates (don't count out travel agents for this sort of thing, they often have access to deals that never make it to the retail level). SP, SS and BW all offer similar experiences with inexpensive slopeside housing too, it's a tradeoff with convenience. If you drop the Disney plans you have a different equation, but looking at the ages of the kids, it's an excellent time to go.
     
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  15. Me+3

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    the trip has always been planed as a ski trip but as some have pointed out - half the cost of the trip is airfares.. so thoughts are... if we're across that side of the world.. Disneyland will get ticked off the bucket list, and yes - opportune age for all the kids - old enough to appreciate it and ride some of the decent rides too.
    Haven't written off skiing at USA resorts V's SP.. but AUS/USA ex rate does come into play for sure. But so might the use of an Epic pass too...
     
  16. sly_karma

    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    You've got plenty of time, you can price out some trial itineraries for the coming year pretty soon. See what the bigger pieces like flights and accom cost on the two or three different concepts you have in mind.
     
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    I have driven from Vegas to LA a couple of times, as recently as last year. I would avoid driving back on a Sunday, it took us 8 1/2hrs to do the drive.. First time took 7 hours.. Its an easy drive and pretty flat, but pick the wrong time and you are peeing beside the road.
     
  18. Sbooker

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    I second this general theme.
    Sun Peaks is a fine ski hill for families but the extra flight is not needed.
    Another idea would be. Fly into LA. Get car. Drive north up Highway 1 to San Fran with a few stops on the way. Head east to Tahoe to check that out. South to Mammoth for a week (a fine hill that offers something for everyone and gets its share of snow). Drive through Death Valley to Vegas for a couple of days before heading back to LA to do Disneyland.*

    *Tip on Disneyland. If your other half is happy to take the kids while you do something (anything) else take that offer quick smart.
     
  19. Harper11

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    Or go to Disney land in February
    Quiet
     
  20. Roymond

    Roymond One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    We have just done exactly what you are proposing ( substitute universal studios for Disneyland as we’d already crossed Mickey Mouse off the list previously). Brisbane- Vancouver- SP-then SP- Vancouver - LA- Vancouver then home. Airline wouldn’t allow us to go straight from LA to brissy. (Thanks air Canada)

    It would have been more fun slamming my head in a car door-
    Each on their own was fantastic but the travel between sun peaks through to LA was painful with three kids (11,10 and 9) and airport layovers.
    Done again, we would ski Utah / Colorado, exit through LA and polish off Theme parks on the way out.
    The exchange rate is a valid point but the extra dollars are more than cancelled out by the convenience and time efficiency. You’d get more time in LA to check out the museums (science centre is fantastic)..

    That said, there’s a reason why people ( including us) keep coming back to sun peaks- it’s a hill that crosses off boxes for all level of skiers ...
     
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  21. Red_switch

    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    California and the south-western deserts are made for road tripping. Haven't done Vegas to LA, but have done LA > SF up the coast, then SF > Yosemite/Tahoe > eastern Sierra > Death Valley > Vegas. As well as Palm Desert return, in a circuitous way, from LA.

    Haven't done Disney Land, but if you're in LA for a few days, is Anaheim the best place to stay? How hard is it to get to Disney Land from somewhere closer to, say, Santa Monica? Would you do Universal as well while you're there?
     
  22. Fast Eddie

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    If you're wanting to combine a roadtrip with amazing skiing then LA-Vegas-Four Corners-Telluride and back via Utah/Monument Valley is incredible. Although, the wonders of an amazing scenic roadtrip can be lost on the kids.

    I did SF to Breckenridge via Big Sur, Vegas, 4 Corners, Telluride/Durango about 15 years ago and it was incredible.
     
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    IMO the only way to do Canada and Disney is to fly through LA, but as others have said, if adding in Las Vegas and only going for 3 weeks, I’d also look at US resorts.

    Just Disney, not too bad though. Have done it a couple of times and it works alright but I’d never fly to YVR and then go to LAX unless you nail a deal on airfares.

    Don’t be afraid of flying with kids. It’s not that bad, some people talk about it as though it is apocalyptic, but really, it’s not that hard.

    Car at SP? I always do, but it is not essential, I just like going to the hockey and being able to potter around the village when necessary.
     
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  24. Roymond

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    The flying is fine it’s the 5 hr layover in the airports that are a killer. There are only so many games of uno and fish that you can play.

    If you can jag some good transfers it’s perfect- we did Disneyland last time around and it worked well.
    That was with qantas .
    This time around, air Canada was not so synched on interconnecting flights.
     
  25. Astro66

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    I just drove your trip. But only as far as San Fran to the South. But have done the rest previously.

    Day 1 : Fly into Van. Hire SUV. Drive to Eugene Oregon. 6hrs.
    Day 2 : Drive to San Francisco. 8 hrs
    Day 3 : Stay San Fran. Visit Alcatraz, Ride Cable Car, Walk Golden Gate.
    Day 4 : Drive to Anaheim. 6hrs
    Day 5 and 6 : Disneyland
    Day 7 : Drive Vegas. 4hrs. Visit a Casino. Gondola ride at Venician. Walk the Strip at night. Fountain Show Bellagio. Get the Fark out.
    Day 8 : Drive to Hoover Dam, in the morning. Do tour. Drive to Grand Canyon National Park.
    Day 9 : Explore Grand Canyon. Helicopter rides, whatever. The Helicopter ride from Vegas to Canyon, is rubbish compared to ride at Grand Canyon National Park. Drive to Lake Powell. 2hrs.

    Then it's about 22hrs to Kamloops. I would do 2 11hr days. But do at your own pace. Next day, get groceries in Kamloops and arrive Sun Peaks.

    As I said. I've done this with my family and driven this route and distances. The scenery in Winter is spectacular. And it knocks off most of the West Coast Bucket List in about 12 days. That said. It's not for the faint hearted.

    If you're not a driver. You can replace the car legs with flights. But it's significantly more expensive with a family, and you'll miss that awesome scenery. My wife just loves the scenery.

    Having a car saves a fortune, if you get groceries and are able to access cheaper restaurants, fast food and cheaper hotels easily.
     
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  26. Sbooker

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    Wow I'm a road warrior that has kids that are very patient and willing road trip participants but that is hard core.
    I feel guilty if I put the kids through more than one 'travel day' in a row. I try to keep it to only two 'travel days' in five as a maximum. Anything more than 3 hours in a car, train or plane constitutes a travel day.
    I have successfully taken some wonderful Mountain Collective road trips in previous years. It usually involves a drive taking in scenery between 2 or 3 days of skiing at one location. Best hubs are around Salt Lake City of course. Jackson, Aspen, Sun Valley are all pretty close. Now that Big Sky has been added that one is a no brainer. I'm hoping some of the Ikon resorts like Copper, Steamboat and Brighton/Solitude are added to Mountain Collective next year. Banff, Revelstoke and Whistler (when it was one there) was also great.
    Sorry about thread drift.
     
  27. Legs Akimbo

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    I always remember a plaintive 4 year old voice from the back seat on a road trip to Big White from Vancouver via a couple of intermediate stops "When does the holiday start?".
     
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    Flying into LA and driving out to Vegas then on to SLC Utah is an option. I've always flown it as on tight schedule usually.

    Then instead of driving up to Sun Peaks you can fly into Kelowna at a reasonable rate with Alaska air or direct to Calgary or Van with Westjet. Still a bit of driving involved but better then hot footing it from SLC.
     
  29. Astro66

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    Yeah, I keep all day car journeys to 2 consecutive days maximum.

    I bring an inverter so the kids can laptop all trip. This year was 9 years in a row. There hasn't been a complaint yet.
     
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    You’ve got great kids and my casual observation is that doesn’t often happen by chance.
    Well done to you and your other half.
     
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    We’ve done many of the above similar drives, tacked on extra flight legs. It all sounds exciting doing multiple adventures on one trip but spreading yourself thin can quickly bring you unstuck, you only need a delay here and there, tired family members, longer then planned layovers (a typical scenario on budget airlines).

    I understand the excitement being a first trip but loading yourself up can quickly turn into an expensive hard slog.
     
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    OK I'm not calling out Astro here, he has the experience and knows what and his family are comfortable with. Just general comments for those contemplating their first trip or two to North America.

    That trip layout works OK if your family are used to and happy with the road trip concept. Some families are, some aren't. My concern is that 6 hour drive right after walking off a 15 hour flight that crossed 17 time zones. No one driver should do this, it is unsafe. Doable if you have multiple drivers so the shifts can be restricted to a couple hours each. The road is all freeway and doesn't cross big mountains, but it runs the length of the most densely populated corridor in the PNW. Days are short and visibility is often poor for days at a time in December and January, you're in an unfamiliar vehicle on the opposite side of the road and the rules are a bit different from what you're used to. Add route finding and the frequent rain/snow/sleet the northwest is notorious for in winter and you have quire a few negative factors piled on top of that jet lag.

    A better way to do the road trip is put it after the skiing portion, after you've acclimatised to the time zone, driving on the right and in snow. Or fly into LA, road trip to Canadian ski destination followed by return road trip on a different route. Or spend a day or two in your arrival city to acclimatise before hitting the road. Lots of ways better than jumping behind the wheel after a long flight. Strongly recommend no one drive more than two hours after that flight.
     
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    2 things.

    Flying has zero impact on my state of awareness. I sleep on planes. I have worked rotating, day, afternoon and night shifts. So time zones don't effect me.

    That said. I have seen many who cannot perform as I do after flying. But a 6hr drive, taking breaks, is what many do from Sydney to get to skiing, every weekend in winter. And normally after a full days work.

    So whilst I agree. This is not for everyone Saying it's dangerous, is a bit over the top IMO

    Secondly. After skiing for 2 weeks. It's my experience that my family just wants to get home. Hence why I put the sightseeing at the beginning.

    Kids don't love sightseeing. But knowing they have 2 weeks of skiing after it, keeps them motivated.

    As I said. 9 consecutive January Sightseeing and Skiing holidays, and my crew still begging me to return. So I must be doing something right.

    I will say. The only person opposed to the San Francisco leg this year, was me. But that's because driving over 3000km in 6 days, is hard work. Rewarding, but a lot of work.
     
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    Out of all our Aussie friends that do the long haul flight over to Vancouver...none do more than 2hrs driving straight after. Astro ....you are an anomaly and a freak of nature :)
     
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    LOL

    I believe road trips just require planning. Know what is required. Have everything in place. And just execute it as planned.

    If anything unforeseen happens. Don't stress. Adapt.

    An example. We got held up at the US border for 2 hours. Even though I had got an ESTA. Australians now get thrown in with the crowd that didn't have any paperwork. Which is a harrowing experience.

    Anyway, as a result, I had to drive in the dark. So when the sun set. I took a break, with food and drink, every hour. And completed the 6hr drive to Oregon, easily.
     
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    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Unusual for an accident to be caused by one simple factor. Usually they are an accumulation of numerous small items. Start piling them up as I outlined and your margin of error gets thinner and thinner.

    Driving 6 hours to the snow on a Friday after work in Sydney isnt the same, people are in their own vehicle, on roads they know, and driving on the side of the road they grew up with. If there is snow it will only be for a quarter of the trip distance at the very most. Please dont minimise the risks here, you and your family accept them but few others reading this have the same kind of time and mileage in that you do. Remember the OP is a first time visitor, many others reading will be same boat.
     
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  37. Red_switch

    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    Solid effort.

    Vegas sucks, but to be honest, it's much better if you're there for at least 2 nights/3 full days to figure the place out. First time I went was 2 nights, and it was just an overwhelming shit show (but I did get to see Penn and Teller). Second time was 5 nights, and much better. There are lots of hidden gems in Vegas as far as eating and drinking go, and just hanging out in some of the bars can be an absolute hoot - American bar culture is way better than down under pub culture on many fronts. Some amazing dive bars for local live music etc too. Also next level good shopping, but that's all off the strip. Cheapest shoes and snow gear I've ever seen in an English speaking country.
     
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    A decent majority of tourist crashes in NZ happen within an hours drive of our airports... Even for Australians who've only had a 3 hour flight. I rate my ability to deal with flying etc., but any decent drive right after a long haul flight puts the shits up me for sure.

    I reckon in the long run it's the sight seeing your kids will remember. North America is full of those 'little things' moments, as well as outrageously good landscapes.
     
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    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    ESTA's seem to be pretty much a waste of time these days eh?
     
  40. Astro66

    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah .......... agree and disagree. Van to Eugene Oregon is flat, snowless freeway, the entire journey. On freeways, what side of the road, matters little. So does car and road familiarity. It's just throttle, brake, steer. Very little navigation required. So little else to distract you.

    I have stated it's not for everyone. But if you are a good flyer and you feel fine when you fly in. It's certainly significantly less dangerous than driving the Coq in snow, fully rested. Having done both. I would rate driving the Coq in snow, as probably the most dangerous driving I've ever done. And if you're not prepared to do that. Then you won't be driving to Sun Peaks in January.

    As I've said. Research the journey. Make a plan. Know what you need. Pre-prepare your needs. Know your limitations. And execute.
     
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  41. Me+3

    Me+3 Hard Yards

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    Have almost narrowed down a place to stay. It's on Sundance Drive.

    Question:
    both of the wives, whilst they are comfortable on green runs, and can handle their fair share of blue runs (they just don't like steep or bumps)..
    I'm hoping someone can give me some comparisons for the blue runs Runaway Lane, Blazer, Cruiser & Exhibition - compared to anything at Perisher ?
    Are they similar to say Zali's ? or not as steep ?.. or more like Bloody Mary at Guthega or the main runs at Smiggins.
    All comments welcome please.
    Would hate to shell out on this proposed place and the wives not be able to ski-in for lunch :)
    Happy Wife(s) = Happy Skiing for dads & kids ha ha
     
  42. Beerman

    Beerman One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Sundance dve can be a great spot. Access to some houses requires a little walking in or out depending on how far along they are. Runaway, Blazer etc are a mid Blue with plenty of width and very little traffic. I would think the pitch would be between Leichardt and International on Mt.P, but a whole lot wider, maybe 40m across.
    Lifts on Sundance are your ride home, not Sunburst, which is where the runs you mention are.
     
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  43. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    If this is your first time you will not believe the difference that consistent good quality snow will make to your confidence and ability.
     
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  44. Crystal

    Crystal Sand skier extraordinaire Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    The blues at SP are easy and with the quality snow they get and the amazing grooming the 'ladies' will love them. They are wide and open and lovely. Just tell them to stay away from any blues with bumps or that have not been groomed in the last few days.... they will be fine.
     
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  45. Me+3

    Me+3 Hard Yards

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    "Lifts on Sundance are your ride home, not Sunburst, which is where the runs you mention are.[/QUOTE]

    My bad.. I meant Sunburst Drive.. .
     
  46. Beerman

    Beerman One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    My bad.. I meant Sunburst Drive.. .[/QUOTE]
    Runs haven't changed, still wide with very few riders ;)
     
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  47. retread

    retread Hard Yards Ski Pass: Gold

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    We are planning our next trip to SP in January 21. Me +1, F18, M13. We've been to SP twice before and we love the place. At this stage we have done no planing yet.
    Last time we had access to a car and did a big grocery shop on arrival and from then on used the Bluebird market. We stayed in Stones Throw. Whenever we went into the village we would take a backpack with us and just top up the groceries and wine.
    You will be amazed at how unbusy SP is, how well groomed and how great the snow quality is but it can be COLD.
    Can I just add a note of seriousness here:- Have travel insurance, make sure everyone knows where to find the paperwork in hardcopy or digital form. Have a phone with global roaming because accidents do happen.
    Happy to answer any questions.
     
  48. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    2021?
    Not 2022? looks better snow wise.
     
  49. retread

    retread Hard Yards Ski Pass: Gold

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    ok 2022 as well
     
  50. Marty_McSly

    Marty_McSly What a plonker. Ski Pass: Gold

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    The daily grooming report is your friend. The greens get groomed every day, as do roughly half the blues. They usually only groom one or 2 blacks.

    The blue runs off the Sundance chair are the easiest, while the blue runs off Sunburst get progressively steeper the further away from the Sunburst chair you get, heading towards the Burfield chair.

    Don't forget the Morrissey side either. There's a progression in steepness as you work from skier's right to left.
     
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