Needs a man with white glovesThe only reason anyone can get out of the Barry way in peak times is because of the traffic.
Needs a man with white glovesThe only reason anyone can get out of the Barry way in peak times is because of the traffic.
So change nothing in the service supply side, but change more?
Wow, major forward thinking here folks.
The bus parking area is huge at Thredbo (in Comparison to smiggs)I just cant see an answer on the service supply side, I cant see a multi story car park going in apart from ascetics the approval process would be a nightmare as would trying to do anything on the golf course would be worse. We are not dealing with an area where we have open slather on town planning, their is a finite amount of space.
One solution would be to get rid of bus parking, and provide a small amount of Bus parking elsewhere. Once school groups etc get dropped off the buses aren't needed until the end of the day and the drivers generally just sit around drinking coffee so they may as well be down at the ski tube waiting. There are a few few spots along the alpine way for buses to park as well.
Most of the snow play can be done for free in the National Park anyway.
A dedicated HUGE snowplay location could CLEAN UP! Seriously! People are paying crazy money for terrible experiences in the centre of the city. If it was done right with quality set up, quality equipment, fun and diverse activities etc you could really do well.The ultimate solution is for Selwyn to build big accommodation so the free loading punters can go there for their snow play instead of turning Thredbo into a shit fight side show.
It won't make it all free-flow for every vehicle from everywhere in every peak morning period, but it will improve it markedly for most of the time.I'm far from traffic expert
I'll defer to @climberman
However unless they change the barry way at the same time...I can still see a few dramas
Hell yes!!!Think creatively people!
A 10 deck multi level car park on Friday flat with the top deck the new higher friday flat slope integrated into the hillside.
You know it makes sense
Think creatively people!
A 10 deck multi level car park on Friday flat with the top deck the new higher friday flat slope integrated into the hillside.
You know it makes sense
I can't see Perisher allowing Thredbo customers to park at Bullocks. There is nothing in it for Perisher.The overnight parking areas may go. To make room for day parking
It might end up similar to Perisher where overnight cars are parked off the hill (ie sawpit or bullocks) with people being bussed in. I don't agree with it, however its an easy solution
I also noticed traffic cones being placed over parking signs. WTF is that?
The problem isn't Thredbos alone. Perisher has blown out nearly every weekend this season. With cars parked 8kms away.
No way there will be plug in for RV/caravans, that was part of the ongoing problem with Chewbacca guy. Effectively squatting in the overnight carpark and using the sport centre as his shower facilities.Charging for parking might work, IF they built a multi story.
You want the convenience of undercover parking, no snow on your precious car, the ability to change in/out of your gear undercover - it'll cost you.
If they made the entry level tall then they could do larger spots - undercover RV parking, tall SUVs with a roof box etc - few extra dollars for such luxuries. Maybe even a few reservable plug in spots at caravan park rates for the RV/campervans.
Upper deck could either have a roof to allow for full price patronage, or no roof and be used exclusively for staff parking (which would free up some on the ground spots).
Parking meters at all current roadside spots for the use of snow play day trippers, parking pass included with all accomodation bookings and season passes (multistory access extra).
No I wasn't meaning Bullocks as a solution. I was pointing out it happens at PerisherI can't see Perisher allowing Thredbo customers to park at Bullocks. There is nothing in it for Perisher.
Others were.No I wasn't meaning Bullocks as a solution. I was pointing out it happens at Perisher
You mean like Corin Forest...A dedicated HUGE snowplay location could CLEAN UP! Seriously! People are paying crazy money for terrible experiences in the centre of the city. If it was done right with quality set up, quality equipment, fun and diverse activities etc you could really do well.
You could even run beacon and search training as an activity. All with a modest (but cumulative) participation/hire charge.
And Xmas in 'July' theme it!!
Ca-ching
So whats the go with ON parking down there? how is it regulated?No way there will be plug in for RV/caravans, that was part of the ongoing problem with Chewbacca guy. Effectively squatting in the overnight carpark and using the sport centre as his shower facilities.
Locals have to park somewhereSome of the cars in the ON look like they've been there for yonks.
It all seems pretty random (ie compared to somewhere like Buller)Locals have to park somewhere
Oh wow.These signs went up 5/8/17![]()
Right... yes I see that would present a problem.No way there will be plug in for RV/caravans, that was part of the ongoing problem with Chewbacca guy. Effectively squatting in the overnight carpark and using the sport centre as his shower facilities.
Dunno.You mean like Corin Forest...
sheesh..... you should ride at PerisherThe entire industry is strangled by npws and snowy council. So the only way left to increase profits is to target the poorer demographic with fines and penalties and moving them on for wankers in bmw's.
Poorer demographics at a ski hill is a oxymoronThe entire industry is strangled by npws and snowy council. So the only way left to increase profits is to target the poorer demographic with fines and penalties and moving them on for wankers in bmw's.
Corin pretty much targets snowplay, does have a run and lift but it is mostly a commercial snowplay area (witha 'bobsled' track like the Thredbo one).Oh wow.
Was that before or after the Chewie attack?
A lot of people have 'car danchi' stayed in the ON carpark in the past. It's a shame that the poor behaviour of the minority effects the good guys.
Right... yes I see that would present a problem.
However if they had it set up for it and charged accordingly with pre-booking required then they could control it. Undesirable tenant? Sorry not available. Breaking the rules? Sorry, evicted.
Dunno.
I've never been to Corin.
Is it set up like that?
Commercial operation and all?
I can't see Perisher allowing Thredbo customers to park at Bullocks. There is nothing in it for Perisher.
I think they do own the Toob.I don't believe Perisher own the ski tube, they may lease buildings and have a deal with the owners but they don't own it.
My old man was on the team that did the original feasibility as an offshoot to the feasibility they did on the VFT. From memory it was always supposed to be an access point to both mountains, Perisher and Thredbo, as the roads weren't designed to carry the traffic they do.
At one stage the preferred route of the VFT was Sydney to Melbourne via the Barry way with a link from Jindy to Bullocks flat so that people could catch a train the whole way.
Aye they do. Came along with the Blue Cow and station deal.I think they do own the Toob.
According to Wikipedia it's owned by Broadspectrum (49%) Kumagi Gumi (49%) and Ken Bilston (2%). There is no mention of it having anything to do with Thredbo or the VFT. The only mentions are to do with Perisher and Blue Cow and the expectation that the Koziuscko road would be closed in winter. Regardless I would be very surprised if Perisher would allow Thredbo to use the carpark and I would say Perisher have pretty much exlusive rights (albeit they tolerate Charlotte Pass customers)I don't believe Perisher own the ski tube, they may lease buildings and have a deal with the owners but they don't own it.
My old man was on the team that did the original feasibility as an offshoot to the feasibility they did on the VFT. From memory it was always supposed to be an access point to both mountains, Perisher and Thredbo, as the roads weren't designed to carry the traffic they do.
At one stage the preferred route of the VFT was Sydney to Melbourne via the Barry way with a link from Jindy to Bullocks flat so that people could catch a train the whole way.
Is it in the National Park? Perisher and BC are but I don't think Bullocks is. The park entry gates are after Bullocks.Aye they do. Came along with the Blue Cow and station deal.
I'm unsure on the whole freehold land arrangement though. Considering its in National parks land.
I have no problem with this. There's a whole national park to camp in. No need to camp in a lease area paid for by someone elseThese signs went up 5/8/17![]()
Yeah its in the NP... Little thredbo river is the boundary. Crackenback isn't in the park.Is it in the National Park? Perisher and BC are but I don't think Bullocks is. The park entry gates are after Bullocks.
According to Wikipedia it's owned by Broadspectrum (49%) Kumagi Gumi (49%) and Ken Bilston (2%). There is no mention of it having anything to do with Thredbo or the VFT. The only mentions are to do with Perisher and Blue Cow and the expectation that the Koziuscko road would be closed in winter. Regardless I would be very surprised if Perisher would allow Thredbo to use the carpark and I would say Perisher have pretty much exlusive rights (albeit they tolerate Charlotte Pass customers)
I have no problem with this. There's a whole national park to camp in. No need to camp in a lease area paid for by someone else
They were the original owners. I think things have moved on from there.According to Wikipedia it's owned by Broadspectrum (49%) Kumagi Gumi (49%) and Ken Bilston (2%). There is no mention of it having anything to do with Thredbo or the VFT. The only mentions are to do with Perisher and Blue Cow and the expectation that the Koziuscko road would be closed in winter. Regardless I would be very surprised if Perisher would allow Thredbo to use the carpark and I would say Perisher have pretty much exlusive rights (albeit they tolerate Charlotte Pass customers)
Yeah looks like it. After quite a bit of google fu it looks like Perisher do own it now, according to the article below from Office of National Rail Safety Regulator. This would also suggest Perisher lease the carpark and surrounding area (probably on a 60 or more year lease), so unless NPWS want to break the lease contract, Perisher would be within their rights to not allow Thredbo to use it for parking.They were the original owners. I think things have moved on from there.
Every state and federal election had/has feasibility studies into a train... that goes fast.I don't believe Perisher own the ski tube, they may lease buildings and have a deal with the owners but they don't own it.
My old man was on the team that did the original feasibility as an offshoot to the feasibility they did on the VFT. From memory it was always supposed to be an access point to both mountains, Perisher and Thredbo, as the roads weren't designed to carry the traffic they do.
At one stage the preferred route of the VFT was Sydney to Melbourne via the Barry way with a link from Jindy to Bullocks flat so that people could catch a train the whole way.
Or you could drop 40 K on a wedding ...and have your makeup and hairdressers have to walk from the alpine way to FF then catch two buses..Being an hour lateNo. Junior staff buses from jindy and senior staff should park at the tip.
The ball has been dropped by management on parking yet the customers are paying the penalty.
Maybe they could make some sort of announcement regarding solving the problem in coming seasons.
Doing nothing about parking is not an option.
Yeah looks like it. After quite a bit of google fu it looks like Perisher do own it now, according to the article below from Office of National Rail Safety Regulator. This would also suggest Perisher lease the carpark and surrounding area (probably on a 60 or more year lease), so unless NPWS want to break the lease contract, Perisher would be within their rights to not allow Thredbo to use it for parking.
https://www.onrsr.com.au/resource-c...resentations-and-case-studies/pbpl-case-study