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Thredbo Development - bang a gong and get it ON!

Discussion in 'Thredbo' started by climberman, Sep 18, 2013.

  1. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator

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    Would a T Bar from the base of Basin up to the Tors be sacrilege ?
     
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  2. skull

    skull One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Make t bars great again.
     
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    sbm_ One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    The first lift at Thredbo was on the Kosci alignment, it was a Kiwi style nutcracker rope tow. How about bringing that one back! We could take the longest rope tow crown from Roundhill!
     
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    A surface lift up Merritts dumping people above the traverse makes sense. That would actually provide another path (cheaply) from the valley floor to the base of Antons on wind hold days, and it would halve the queue for Slowgums on those days. Gondola to Merritts / T-Bar to traverse / traverse to Antons. It would take up a bit of space at Five Ways though. On the other hand Squatters Run is one of my fave runs in the Merritts area. That's alright, I'll just treat the T-Bar passengers as a slalom course and cop the odd verbal spray as I go by.
     
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    linked_recoveries One of Us

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    No, but it would be a steep drag.
     
  6. LaNeige

    LaNeige One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Here's a link to that old trail map, there were actually 2 t's in that area. They aren't quite where we need them now but close enough.

    There also a proposed boundary map for Twin Valley's on the wikiski page.
     
  7. Slowman

    Slowman One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    They were actually just very slow (wire) rope tows with plastic grab handles spliced into the rope. Their purpose was to injure the shoulders of beginners.
     
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  8. Bogong

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    I assume you mean the Harusch brand handle tows?
    Yeah, they were pretty horrible. Back in the 1970s it looks like almost every Australian resort had one or two, but Thredbo had more than that. Fortunately they appear to have been exterminated from Australia (as far as I know).
     
  9. Billy_Buttons

    Billy_Buttons Que Sera, Sera Ski Pass: Gold

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    Put the handle under your butt and they were a breeze. :p
     
  10. BlueHue

    BlueHue One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I've always wondered why that was not the alignment chosen for Karels in the first place, bottom around Ramshead top station. There is a badly windswept bit halfway up but that can be dealth with using snow fences and snow harvesting.
     
  11. Snow Blowey

    Snow Blowey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Probably goes back to a lack of equipment and resources to farm and move snow when it was designed. Bthe existing t bars follow the natural continuous snow accumulation.
     
  12. BlueHue

    BlueHue One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeh fair point. Certainly would not be a priority now anyway even if it was doable.

    T-bar into Stanley's anyone, or even a short nutcracker to make the exit to Cruiser easier............ :out:
     
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    linked_recoveries One of Us

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    A short tow out would be nice but I don't think they'll be encouraging anyone into Stanleys. They'd have to patrol it for starters.
     
  14. BlueHue

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    Can't say it was a genuinely serious suggestion! It's there anyway if people want to ride it and have the know how (keeping out those without the know how is probable the hardest bit).

    Have not skied it myself, I've never been with someone who knows the best ins and outs and not willing to do it alone.
     
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    Yeah, I presumed that was the case. Still, my mind went "that would be great" just before I worked out it's not likely to happen.

    Not doing it alone is a smart choice.
     
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  16. DPS Driver

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    I've heard they're replacing Kosci with a rope tow. I'm investing in nutcracker belts now, just to be ahead of the curve.
     
  17. sbm_

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    Stanleys would be a nightmare to manage and patrol, I think to make it work as an in-bounds run you'd need to engineer the gully a bit, Hotham-style. Fully cover a section with a culvert...and maybe add a circus net.

    For low-hanging fruit for terrain expansion, the better choice would be east...Bogong Creek bowl.
     
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  18. climberman

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    Good god no
     
  19. Annabuzzy

    Annabuzzy Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    I’m all but 100% sure Stanley’s is out of the resort lease area
     
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  20. BlueHue

    BlueHue One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    According to Alpine SEPP maps of resort lease areas the portion west of the creek is inside the lease.
     
  21. BlueHue

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    That'll be popular with sidecountry riders!
     
  22. shabu_shabu

    shabu_shabu One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    So down in Thredbo for a couple of days unskiing (post hip replacement, trying to alleviate deprivation). Doing the usual unskiing things: walking around trying to look important, hoping to hear some gossip, checking out the various changes (eg, Ullr bar). Walked over to the old tennis courts and contemplated how much of that area will be used for the new gondola. Not much going by the plan other than for 18 car parks. Seems like an odd use of precious space but maybe consistent with speculation on this thread that the ultimate aim is to build hotel accommodation there. Maybe it is the new exclusive telemarkers car park that some on here are demanding.
     
  23. DPS Driver

    DPS Driver One of Us

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    No. I can confirm the site of the new telemarkers car park. See image below.
    [​IMG]
     
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  24. Alleve

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    New DA up. KT wants to build a temporary marquee to act as a bar/restaurant at the merritts area to cater for increased demand. Appears to be for the 2020 season only as the new restaurant will be built for 2021.

    Interestingly, it's designed to operate year round. Presumably they'll hold functions in the summer.
     
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  25. db2567

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    That doesn't sound great.
    Incorrectly assumed the gondola and Merritt's outlet were both happening at the same time.
    Actual sat in the gondola at Friday flats this afternoon, skinny seat but I'm sure more comfortable to be out of the weather.
    Does anyone know how high the winds are before stopping them?
    I was aiming to grab a doughnut too but the line was to the Friday flats retail outlet.
     
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  26. Alleve

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    Presumably there will be no wind limit because the Merritts lift line is so sheltered from the wind. Pretty much the whole lift is below the trees.

    I'd assume the actual cabins will have thicker/wider seats. The real design seems to be different from the FF prototype - the actual design has ski racks on the doors, clear windows and a grey paint job.

    According to KT, it's not possible to build the new restaurant at the same time as the gondola. I like that they've actually decided to do something about the increased amount of people up at cruiser. I fully expected them to just let the Merritts mountain house get crowded next season instead of building some temporary structure to handle the crowds.
     
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  27. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    GET crowded? That place is insane on weekends and school holidays as it is. Make access easy with a Gondie and it’ll be near impossible to get to the counter let alone get a seat.

    I’m glad they’re doing something.

    Tents and marquees have been used well in plenty of other ski resorts around the world to cater for people, staying up and viable for the entire season. They work incredibly well when you have an outdoor heater or five placed around.

    I just hope it doesn’t become a cop out and delay construction of a permanent facility for longer.
     
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  28. iagreewithhim

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    Nah, they want to sell more stuff to more people. They'll get it built.
     
  29. DPS Driver

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    Gondolas have a higher wind tolerance than a chair.

    Point in case putting a 10 person gondola in at Whakapapa.
     
  30. Annabuzzy

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    I imagine it’s simply a logistics issue - it’s just not feasible to have two major projects with difficult access in close proximity to each other happening at the same time.
     
  31. climberman

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    And the joy of interface - it’s always the other contractor’s fault and this item was on critical path!!!
     
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    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Exactly.
    But if the marquee yields big value without big outlay...
     
  33. kylep

    kylep Cage rattler Ski Pass: Gold

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    Would be bloody nice stopping halfway around the AM MTB trail for lunch or a beverage and then tackling the steep berms below with a belly full :D
     
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    I bet this Marquee ends up operating for at least 5 years. This tent looks similar to the tempory eagle lodge tent at Mammoth. which has now been there since the early 2000's I believe.
     
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    Plenty of "Umbrella Bars" in Austria. When the weather is good have it open, when bad close it.
     
  36. Alleve

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    The thredboland development got through. They'll probably build it 2021
     
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    ALDI gondola

     
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    Obviously I have no clue but I'm inclined to believe that the actual merritts gondolas will have bigger seats than that.
    This prototype model seems to have several differences to the actual merritts gondolas, such as this one missing the exterior ski racks, being a different colour, etc. Maybe seat width is one of those differences.
    Also I don't recall ever riding a Doppelmayr 8 person gondola with seats that small. Maybe it's my imagination but I remember the seats being wider than that.
     
  39. Bogong

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    This is a Doppelmayr 8 person gondola from the Arthurs Seat Eagle gondola in Victoria which first operated in 2016 - 2017 summer. I suspect the Thredbo ones will be to the same design.

    [​IMG]
     
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    According to the DA thredbo are going to use CWA Omega IV cabins

    https://www.cwa.ch/fileadmin/Files/Downloads/Angebot/OMEGA/Produktflyer_OMEGA_red_EN.pdf
     
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    great Euro scenery in addition to Gondi.

    I hope the new ski racks take twin tips? Even in Japan there’re Gondolas and buses couldn’t take twins so they gave you covers for the tips - scratch prevention. This slows boarding and lead to underutilisation as 190cm twins with beefy Tele bindings, ‘don’t play nice’ in tights spaces! :confused:
     
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    Billy_Buttons Que Sera, Sera Ski Pass: Gold

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    Houston....we have a deletion of some info. My Wow moment just lost perspective!!!!!!!!!! :whistle:
     
  44. snowgum

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    sorry just saying! ;)

    Still much funnier than anything down south - except for perhaps Arthur’s Seat! Besides the snow line at Arty’s is a little high these days. :)
     
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    Billy_Buttons Que Sera, Sera Ski Pass: Gold

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    Did you miss the crayola map by Xbo posted above my wow comment?
     
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    Nup - was it deleted? CIC or ?
     
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    Billy_Buttons Que Sera, Sera Ski Pass: Gold

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    Gone.Vanished.Not for more eyes.Caput.Ran away.Protected info.Deleted.
     
  48. snowgum

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    Strictly verboten perhaps?
    Now we’ll never know?? (;-)
     
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    Slight change of topic. I am pleased to say that it looks like the Koszi pre season maintenance has started today. Snowgums running.
     
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