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THREDBO FAIL! your customers are not happy

Discussion in 'Thredbo' started by SCHUSS SKI TEAM, Aug 26, 2011.

  1. SCHUSS SKI TEAM

    SCHUSS SKI TEAM One of Us

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    THREDBO FAIL

    Last year I came down for a day trip and Thredbo Didn't open coz of ice. By the time they opened it was all slush!

    Some of us like to ski all conditions. I love the hard packed.

    Please don't close the mountain just because it is icy.

    We don't blame you for what mother nature provides. Let us get the most out of it, especially when we are down just for the day.

    A simple sign at the bottom of the lifts is enough to warn people.

    Who ever made the call this morning must not have a great riding ability.

    Perisher do not do silly decisions like this.

    So please take this aboard!

    I hope everything opens as normal tomorrow.
     
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    VSG Crayon Master Moderator

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    VSG Crayon Master Moderator

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    Willing to take on the lawsuits?

    We are not all legends like you, evidently.
     
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    Ice is for ice skaters.
     
  6. SCHUSS SKI TEAM

    SCHUSS SKI TEAM One of Us

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    I am happy to ski all conditions. Please put up signs and make people aware of how difficult the conditions are. Don't just shut everything. This does not happen anywhere else around the world. Not even in perisher.

    A group of friends has just returned from Thredbo today complaining about how the lifts were closed.

    Next they will tell you what colour clothing you must wear.


    No one is blaming Thredbo for the conditions. Its mother nature at her best. All is good and nice. Just please let those wanting to ski, ski.

    I bet if you asked around today, most people would rather ski then just stand there waiting after pay $100+

    Good clear information is all that is needed and common sense.
     
  7. VSG

    VSG Crayon Master Moderator

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    You were there?
     
  8. SCHUSS SKI TEAM

    SCHUSS SKI TEAM One of Us

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    I wasn't today, but people I know were,

    However this very situation has happened to me at Thredbo twice before.

    I just hope it does not happen again tomorrow.
     
  9. VSG

    VSG Crayon Master Moderator

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    We all get pissed when our hundred bucks is wasted. But fair go.... How much money did Thredbo lose shutting the hill down?

    Must have had a safety and legal edge to it. Yes?

     
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    considering thredbo ran lifts in 140kmph winds..man this ice must have been bad
     
  11. SCHUSS SKI TEAM

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    How about signing a legal document when buying your lift/season pass.

    i know skiing is dangerous and can cause death. I will not hold Thredbo responsible.


     
  12. SCHUSS SKI TEAM

    SCHUSS SKI TEAM One of Us

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    I know these conditions can be very dangerous for the inexperienced. So can going on a black run.

    Why not have a conditions sign at the bottom of the mountain.

    1= Awesome conditions
    2= Some caution needed
    3= Difficult conditions, only for intermediates and above
    4= Dangerous conditions, advanced skiers only.

    Much like they have for avalanche conditions.

    Or just rate the whole mountain as Black diamond when conditions are icy.

    This is what they did when there was little snow on Eagle Way last year. All runs of Kozi express were rated as black diamond with a big sign at the lift base.
     
  13. VSG

    VSG Crayon Master Moderator

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    Others have. And still will.
     
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  14. Donza

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    its Thredbos call, not yours
    its their mountain not yours
    the conditions were on snowreport and FB twitter
     
  15. Arne

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    Skied Thredders today. I wasn't surprised they had the lifts on hold. If people ride the Kosi they must all negotiate the slope at the end of Eagle Way. It was sheet ice when they opened it at 11am and people slid to the bottom. Likewise Highnoon is steep mid way down and people slid to the bottom.
    Off piste was unskiable all day. Sponars never opened. If it did and someone fell on the t bar track someone would have been seriously hurt sliding down taking everyone out.
    They had to regroom the Supertrail at 8am this morning just to break the surface.
    Surprisingly the skiing was quite good today. Less traffic turned over the snow. The Basin, Antons and Highnoon were a blast to go fast.
    It's windy now it's not below freezing and I would bet the conditions tomorrow will be the same or very similar to today.
     
  16. powderplayer

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    There is one thing you have not thought about here SSK and that is being a workplace threbo has a duty of care to it's staff first and foremost. Mate I've done 11 seasons with the last 6 straight being at thredbo working on that hill around 300 days a year and there is a good reason why the lifts were not open this morning. I'll give you a free tip... If the carbide runners on a 300kg skidoo are not leaving an imprint in the snow then what chance do you think the ski edges of an 80kg person will have in maintaining grip?

    Thredbo made the right choice on the delay in opening because I have no doubts that there is someone alive out there tonight that would not have been had skiing opened on time this morning. Another thing that has not crossed your mind is the saftey of the people who have to go in and rescue you once you have been injured, last year I witnessed and then had to help in the rescue of a workmate due to an accident on a morning like today. From my own experience on that mountain when it was as icy as this morning when you fall you just don't stop, if your skis come of during the crash then it's trees or rocks that will arrest your fall.
     
  17. choc

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    Or maybe they just didn't want to carry another body off the hill?
     
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    WTF would anyone want to ski ice that badly anyway? Thredders may have saved the Schuss from himself and others. Good call Thredbo.
     
  19. GpsSkiMaps

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    I would recommend sending them a message on Twitter. They are usually responsive to @ThredboResort messages.
     
  20. BH

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    Sounds more like poor grooming then anything....Perisher didnt have the same problem...
     
  21. MisterMxyzptlk

    MisterMxyzptlk Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Should Thredbo consider installing a geared mid station

    edit : on the Express
     
  22. Shrek

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    yes. the lift that it replaced had 2 mid station. one friday, mid august 1981 I was skiing thredbo. horrible blizzard, everyone was freezing and the wind was right up. everyone was bailing at the second mid station. It was just not worth going to the top.

    Every run was freshies. Skied the whole day without stopping. It was one of those one in a lifetime days. In conditions like that with the express the top 150 metres would be just horrendous. You would be blown off the ice.
     
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    If Thredbo could get permission to build a terrain hugging but purposeful wind deflecting strcture at the top station, like a fence that acts as an aerofoil and breaks upthe massive windstream ripping over from the west-north-west.....

    If.
     
  24. Snorkler

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    Consider that your slight inconvenience means that insurance premiums don't go up and therefore ticket prices because someone else got injured on the ice as they overestimated their ability.
     
  25. VSG

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    On the issue of wind ... This old image (attempting to show consistent pitches under the C,back lift) shows how the lift suddenly emerges into the 1900m plus zone. Where winds hammer the offload.


    [​IMG]
     
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  26. MisterMxyzptlk

    MisterMxyzptlk Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Interesting comment by Schuss.
    I'd rate myself a better skier than 80% on Thredbo any given Sunday(disclaimer:this would not hold true at Lech or Trois Vallees)
    I find the mid-section of the Supertrail a challenge quite often...even when conditions are good....and the fact you have to go to Eagles Nest just makes it a disaster waiting to happen
     
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  27. VSG

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    Back to alleviating the wind around Eagles Nest, Top Station....

    A nice little dream, that has been discussed before. Gradually zooming in on the predicament top station finds itself in, a lot of the time.
    It's position is at the end of a funnel of ridges that compress the already high winds ripping across the main range from west and north.

    Would not solve the wind scour in the upper third of the ridge down the mountain....

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  28. sara777

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    I understand your frustration, but I think it was a good call, and not easily made. I am an experienced skier and would ski anything, but I find absolutely no pleasure to ski on sheer ice. I actually hate it with passion. What is the point, you can't ski properly anyway and have to be super careful all the time. Winds, white out, different story, if you are experienced, you still do it. I skied when upper slopes in Whistler had written " experts only " due to total white out. I skied some dreadful blizzards in other places. But sliding on ice, and I don't mean patches of ice, I mean sheer huge f@#ing ice everywhere? No, thank you. No skill is going to help you.
     
  29. BlueHue

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    As has been said already, from Thredbos point of view far better to tick off a few people who share SSTs view than have an unusually large number of people headng off the hill in blood buckers or potentially worse. If the ice was as bad as has been said I can fully understand the lift holds.
     
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    This.
    Inconvenience / money.......forget it.
     
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    Let's not forget that one of our beloved forum colleagues slid 700m ok ice to his death this week.

    He had more experience in his little finger than the OP, but due to a twist of fate he lost control.

    Most skiers who brag about their ability suck.
     
  32. VSG

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    Thredbo misty valley
     
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  34. MisterMxyzptlk

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    so in real life I'm low intermediate
    On the internet I'm laying down tracks a la McConkey
     
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  36. VSG

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    SST has been out argued.

    Ego.
     
  37. looseygoosey

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    Well said.

    Thredbo made the right call - Ice is not nice...
     
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    ^^this^^
    SST- take note.
     
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    Isn't it a little bit emotionally unfair to use the sad and unfortunate death of a backcountry skier here to squash someones opinion about resort closure policy, and then in the same breath ridicule their skiing ability for good measure?

    Honestly no disrespect to anyone intended. But there are better ways to rebut an opinion you do not agree with. Emotion should never overcome reason.
     
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    Ice is bad.

    A whole mountain of ice makes no sense.

    As a downhill ski resort.
     
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    Well put Damian. Choc said something similar in another thread that I thought was unnecessary.

    That said, I seen the ice at Thredbo on Saturday and I think not opening was the right call. Whole runs of clear glass. Makes me wonder whether it was a grooming issue (i.e. perhaps they groomed too early in the night while the snow was wet or something?) because once they hit the main runs with the groomers again they were able to open them.
     
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    That said, I seen the ice at Thredbo on Saturday and I think not opening was the right call. Whole runs of clear glass. Makes me wonder whether it was a grooming issue (i.e. perhaps they groomed too early in the night while the snow was wet or something?) because once they hit the main runs with the groomers again they were able to open them. [/quote]


    maybe the race crew can help with that. could be onto something macdaddy
     
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    It was the mist and freeze IMO
    saturated snow pack..moisture brought to surface by grooming....mist then a hard freeze with wind....
     
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    That reminds me of a day in 2009 when there was a strong cold wind and a lot of runs iced up. I was doing APSI training that day and fell on World Cup just below Kareela and I slid for 30m before I was able to stop myself - I was starting to get very concerned that I'd continue sliding off the run and into a tree.

    It was the day the schoolgirl from Orange hit a tree on Merritts.
     
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    Graeme's death was tragic, but it highlights that no matter how experienced a skier can be, the consequences of ice can be great... something SST obviously fails to realise. The fact that his accident occurred recently might stir emotions more than it otherwise would, but it makes it no less relevant.

    It was this comment that really pissed me off though:
    To attack the ability of the men and women whose job it is to rescue the injured and keep ALL skiers safe just shows an arrogance and ignorance that I would expect to find in Paris Hilton. And while I don't really condone bagging other peoples ability, I can assure you the guy who was making the call to keep the hill closed that day has way more ability than the OP.
     
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    good post choc...
    would have been a tough call
     
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    Hey Choc, thank you for being reasonable in your reply.
     
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    Fair points Choc. I can see where you're coming from.
     
  49. telecrag

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    I got told they just did it for a joke.

    And to piss some random dude off that they thought might be coming up that day.

    Plenty of people headed over to Perisher, Thredbo said that while they couldnt refund a ticket, they would change it to another day. Snippets I heard while sipping my latte, and chatting with friends.

    You could not have even skinned up the hill.
     
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    The Gunbarrel/Merritts side of the mountain was open reasonably early, despite a small delay - and the riding was fine.
    The top of Kosi lift (the get off point) was glassy ice on Sunday morning, but even that horrid cat track down was fine to ride. And I hate ice.

    If the lifts were closed, there was a reason.
    There were plenty of area's to ride and enjoy, after a coffee and a donut, on Friday, enough to tire my legs [​IMG] .
    It is not the end of the world having to wait a little while for a slope to be regroomed or cover to soften a little.
     
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